Why does it seem most Christians are immature.

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   celafoeposted 11 years ago

   Why does it seem most Christians are immature.
   
   It seems most people professing to be Christian do not have a proper grounding in the scriptures.  They drink the milk but do not seem to be able ( or maybe no desire?) to eat the real meat- understand the deeper things of God, in spite of the fact that scriptures tells us the Holy Spirit will teach us ALL things .

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   JThomp42posted 11 years ago

   This is a judgmental question if I have ever seen one. Just because someone may interpret the Bible differently than someone else does not make them immature. We are all in this together and should not worry about whether one is right or wrong. What it all boils down to is accepting Christ as your savior and your "personal" relationship with him.
   
   Matthew 7:3
   “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

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      celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      it is a valid question. How many mothers nurse the kids after they are 2 yrs old.   Cor 3:2-fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; 3 for you are still carnal.

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      christiananrkistposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I also believe it to be a valid question. I believe scripture intends to give specific teachings in specific areas. You cant  impose different interpretations.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      No it isn't. The WORD judges! If Scripture says you're a babe (immature) then it is so! I Pet 2:2 says "As newborn babes, desire the PURE milk of the WORD, that ye may GROW by it!" Christian babes GROW by eating WORD w/Holy Spirit guidance only!

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   graceinusposted 11 years ago

   It take time and effert to study the word of God. Many believe that if they go to church on Sunday or whatever, then they've done their christian duty for the week. And they love the spoon feeding from the pulpit. Being a true christian is 24/7. And seeking the Kingdom of God is something that one should want to do. Matthew 6:33 is a command from Jesus. but many don't understand it.
   
   Good question celafoe. God bless.

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      Jeff Porterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      A dangerous thing is a Christian who is unlearned in the scriptures, and will believe as 'the gospel' anything that someone tells them is scriptural.  Like some certain television preachers.

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      graceinusposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Jeff Porter- One of the great problem with immuture christian is many think that everthing in the bible is the gospel. And much of this way of thinking comes from those preaching from the pulpit. Many don't understand what the word "gospel" means.

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   Jeff Porterposted 11 years ago

   Many Christians think that accepting Christ as their savior is ALL there is to a Christian life.
       At which point, many go right back to the way they were living.
   
   Which, would seem to beg the question, was the person honest when they asked Christ for salvation.
   
     Once you are saved, you are a new creature.    Just as was pointed out earlier, you are a baby, in a new life.   However, the bible does tell us that we are to search the scriptures and learn all we can.    We are to get to the strong meat.
   
      I think many people attend sunday morning service and then they feel they're good to go for the rest of the week, some never praying or looking at the bible, or attending another service.
     But, if you plant a flower and stick it in the shade and do not water it, what will be the result?    It may live, but it will not thrive.
     Church (or simply reading and learning the word of God) is sustenance for Christians.  As such, do you think it wise that a Christian only eat once a week?
   
     To thrive and grow and progress as a Christian, we must maintain contact with God's word, through prayer, through church, through reading the bible.
   
     What we've got today are too many Christians that are still on the milk, so to speak.   And, how that harms everyone is that, as a baby in the word and in Christianity, they do not possess the capacity to bring others to Christ, which we as Christians are compelled to do.    Instead, what may be noticed by non Christians is someone who, though they profess Christianity and salvation, certainly do not bear the fruits to prove it, and attract others to the Truth.

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      celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      wow  great answer Brother

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      christiananrkistposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      awesome! I'm not even gonna comment. You said it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Amen! Lazy, Lazy, Lazy, when it comes to Christ!  It's only a game to many! But then "The End!"

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   BuffaloGal1960posted 11 years ago

   Once again, I wouldn't lump "most Christians". I probably would have said "some" because I just don't want to promote disharmony against any group of people. 
   
   But to answer your question, Christians don't become perfect because they profess Christianity.  Being a Christian is a work in progress.  Just like children, it's all about influence, being discipled and not dumped at the church doors after salvation. It's a matter of how much someone wants to apply themselves or not.
   
   I believe Christians just  have different levels of maturity and they are no different from any other student of the gospel.  In fact, I think it would be helpful to look at Christians as students rather than someone that is supposed to IMMEDIATELY graduate.

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      celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Most is accurate.  Ask the next 20 "Christians" you meet 10 basic questions  and see for yourself
      the question definately did not say or insinuate an immediate graduation but after a few years  there should at least be an ability to eat ground meat

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      Jeff Porterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I agree, celafoe.
          So many aren't taught to strive to reach that point (strong meat).    I truly think that many of them have no idea there is more to it.    Just 'I'm saved, i'm good."

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      celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Jeff-- unfortunately that is too true.   People are taught to be devoted to "church" instead of Christ .  Even many people that know better do not follow through with self study and depend on the baby food give so as to not alienate anyone

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      Jeff Porterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Yes.    Our world today moves at such a pace, and it so many different directions (most all of them AWAY from Christianity) that people allow their attention to be pulled elsewhere.    Their Christianity just becomes one more thing thats glossed over

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      havingmysayposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      @BuffaloGal1960 that is a great response! I say all the time that I am a work in progress because I know there are times when I fail, but I commit to talking to him daily and constantly reading the word (home bible study, as some may call it).

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   Michael-Milecposted 11 years ago

   Why most of " Christians" are seemingly immature? Each and everyone of them would be able to answer if asked. " why are you immature ?" - it woul become a play-word : simply Christianity is in production of Christians of any kinds , following man-made programs while the Word and the Holy Spirit is secondary or left out completely.
   Going to the origin  to that what is now christianism - we ought To go to Jesus of Nazareth and follow the Kingdom Business  as he instructed to all having faith - believers who went through a process dying to themselves, rejecting satan an accepting the full package of the Redemption. Once  the Holy Spirit draws us to the Father, brother we are changed, we do not compromise , we hate what our God hates, and we love what our God loves. In Jesus' words " if anyone loves me he will keep my word and my Father will love him and we shall come to him nd make our home with him , John 14:23 ; the God and Jesus aren't " christians"!  We are being told that we  have received the power to BECOME the children of God under His provision! What do the children of God do? - the followers of Jesus, the believers ?!
   Comes to  mind an episode  ( Mark 9: 38-40) when disciple came complaining, Master we saw someone driving demons in your name, we tried to stop him because he was following you with us, ( not of our church ??! ) Jesus said, don't try to stop him, for no one who does a work of power in MY NSME will be able soon after to  speak evil of me. He who is not against us is for us!
   Everyone who want to  seek and  know the truth and righteousness can do it on his own, doesn't have need to depend on theological explanation how to " believe". A few do! We have  accepted and it works that the Holy Spirit is teaching  those who are indwelled by the Father and the Son and we do have te same ANOINTING .

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      celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Amen brother

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      "can do it on his own, doesn't have need to depend on theological explanation how to " believe." Rem Peter & Paul disagreement over circumcision? Gal2:11-21. Holy Spirit comes thru "man" to "reveal" chg!  UR job 2 "STUDY" to see if rt ! Acts 17:1

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   taburkettposted 11 years ago

   This precept is based on an extremely faulty belief, because it implies that Christians have been judged by those who are immature. Due to the immaturity of those who judge, nothing but immaturity can be judged.
   Thus I pray, I thank him that provides me strength, Christ Jesus, my Lord, because he judged me faithful, appointing me to his service, even though I was formerly an insolent opponent. Through him I received mercy as all of those who display perfect patience as an example of those who truly believe in Jesus, our Lord, for eternal life.
   Psalm 1: 1-6  Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers; 2 but his delight is in the law of the Lord, and on his law he meditates day and night. 3 He is like a tree planted by streams of water that yields its fruit in its season, and its leaf does not wither. In all that he does, he prospers. 4 The wicked are not so, but are like chaff that the wind drives away. 5 Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous; 6 for the Lord knows the way of the righteous, but the way of the wicked will perish.
   Psalm 119:1-8  Blessed are those whose way is blameless, who walk in the law of the Lord! 2 Blessed are those who keep his testimonies, who seek him with their whole heart, 3 who also do no wrong, but walk in his ways! 4 You have commanded your precepts to be kept diligently. 5 Oh that my ways may be steadfast in keeping your statutes! 6 Then I shall not be put to shame, having my eyes fixed on all your commandments. 7 I will praise you with an upright heart, when I learn your righteous rules. 8 I will keep your statutes; ....
   1 Corinthians 13:11  When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways.
   1 Corinthians 14:20  Brothers, do not be children in your thinking. Be infants in evil, but in your thinking be mature.
   2 Timothy 2:22  So flee youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart.
   2 Timothy 3:16  All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness
   Luke 12: 11.... do not be anxious about how you should defend yourself or what you should say, 12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say.”

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      celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      We are required to judge the fruit of those who profess to be Christian.   I do not agree with your assessment but your list is certainly things missing in the church because of the immaturity.

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   C.V.Rajanposted 11 years ago

   It may not be totally correct to single out most Christians as immature,as though all those who follow Allah or a Hindu God are very mature! Immaturity of the majority in understanding the core of any religion is a common thing across all religions.
   
   The problem with Christians may be that even though the majority understand spirituality or Bible in a very diluted way, all of them will vouch for Jesus Christ as the only savior and declare all those who follow any other God or religion are all damned! This Missionary zeal in these majority Christians is something very striking indeed!

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      celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      agreed- but the purpose of the question was as all things in Christianity should be,  to cause people to look at whether or not they as individuals are doing what they should be, growing  in faith.  purpose is  to redemption- growth  always

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   glynch1posted 11 years ago

   You are right. Many professing Christians are spiritually immature (if they are Christians at all). Those who have no hunger for the written Word probably do not know the Incarnate Word.
   I must correct you on your last assertion. John 14:26 does not refer to all believers, but only to the Lord's apostles. Please be sure you read and understand the context.

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      celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      of course it was directed at them  but are you telling me it can only have one meaning--- not so

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      glynch1posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Yes. The passage only has one interpretation; it is not a blanket statement. I see nowhere in Scripture where God states that the Holy Spirit will teach all Christians "all things" or that He will "bring to your remembrance all things I said to you."

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      Wakerraposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."

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      graceinusposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      glynch- When John 14:26 was first spoken by Jesus, it was to His IMMATURE DISCIPLES who where not yet apostles. Now WE, as christian are disciples of God's Word. So John 14:26 does apply to us, as christian, whether you or your church like it or not.

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      glynch1posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The Holy Spirit came on Pentecost. He guided the apostles into all truth, brought to their remembrance all things Jesus said to them, and told them "things to come" (John 14:26; 16:13). He gave them inspired revelation--something we do not get today.

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      celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      sorry but---  anything revealed to us by the Holy Spirit  IS inspired revelation.    Revelation is the revealing of something.  and that is what the Holy Spirit does He reveals what scripture means.  Too much church indoctrination is a terrible thing

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      glynch1posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You are misconstruing revelation and illumination. Only prophets and apostles received divine revelation. We do not receive revelation today; the canon is closed. Today, the Holy Spirit illumines our minds so that we can understand spiritual truth.

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      celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      you are too interested in teaching what you learned in churchy school to be interested in plain truth.   I am not interested in your dry lifeless explanations and prefer life giving lessons  from the Holy Spirit.   no fancy word games just truth

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      glynch1posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I base my teaching on the objective Word of God; you base your belief on subjective feelings and emotions. What is your authority for knowing that you are receiving revelation from the Holy Spirit?

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       celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       whateever the objective word of god is.  Mine is from The Word of God (bible), confirmed by the Holy Spirit.   NO emotion or feelings    Those are the things that the church system uses to entrap people & they are NOT found in the true church

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       PlanksandNailsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Semantics issue: God's revelations to His people are summed up in Scripture; there are no new revelations. The Holy Spirit does not give new revelation, but teaches or illuminates us to that which is only in His Word. Any additions is false doctrine.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       glynch1:  Are you saying that "believers" arent  Jesus' apostles? (Acts 2:42; Eph 2:20; Rev 21:14) He was also speaking to the apostles in Jn 16:13 but not us?  This is the Holy Spirit He's talking about. We dont have access to the Holy Spirit?

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       flpalermoposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       I think you just screwed-up by your statement:
       “I see nowhere in Scripture where God states that the Holy Spirit will teach all Christians "all things" or that He will "bring to your remembrance all things I said to you."
       Limiting the Holy Spirit ag

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    Wakerraposted 11 years ago

    It's people in general, not necessarily Christians.  Are we not all hypocrites to some degree?  I believe the scriptures say "The whole need no physician".  I have my faults, I'll admit sometimes I get too excited about things and make judgements/claim to know the meaning of things that I was wrong about.  What matters is that we strive to make ourselves better, and strive to learn more.  Its not a race, its not about how much one person knows over the other, its the earnest progression

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       celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       yes we have to wake up the complacent ones and the unlearned-- fot their benefit.    Scripture requires we do that, that is love of our brethren

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    IDONOposted 11 years ago

    Are they immature or have non-believers aged beyond their years? Most Christians are not as stressed by Earthly issues as a non-believer because they believe there will always be something better ahead. Non-believers stress over life in general because they think this is it: it's all they have. Christians feel they never have to walk alone.
         All I need to understand now is that I love God and God loves me. And as long as I understand that, there will be a time that I will stand before God and he will explain it all and I will understand it all. If that makes me immature, so be it.

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       celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I cannot reconcile that belief with scripture, so for me it does not work. and I certainly would not be responsible to teach it to anyone,   But of course you are certainly  free to do as you believe for yourself

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       IDONOposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       You can't reconcile the words "innocence" and "purity" with scripture? Faith does not require reconciliation.   Beliefs are not reconciled. Beliefs are formed. No scripture can either prove or disprove what is felt in ones heart. This isn't science.

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       Jeff Porterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I feel the Great Commission teaches us there is more than saying "I love you God, and I know you love me."
          I am assuming that you are saying you're saved through the blood and grace of Jesus.
          Please know I'm not trying to argue.

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       IDONOposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Jeff, That is what I mean. Just made long story short. Dissecting scripture and spending time proving or disproving beliefs is wasteful. My time is better spent using these beliefs in ways that are beneficial to others. Isn't that in scriptures? Thx

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       Jeff Porterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I disagree. When a Christian preacher says John 14:6 doesn't state that Jesus is the only way to God, I feel it leads people astray. People need to learn the bible not simply listen to someone say "I'm a christian, just love God and he'll love you."

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       celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       jeff--  absolutely correct.    there are requirements

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       IDONO: "I love God & God loves me?" IF u love me "feed my sheep!" Jn21:17! How can u "feed sheep" IF u don't know WORD? IMMATURE w/o WORD! I Pet 2:2 "As newborn babes, desire the PURE milk of the WORD, that ye may GROW by it." Study II Tim 2:15!

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    Reginald Boswellposted 11 years ago

    The Christian's chief enemy Satan, has around tricking people for a long time and without cover we are no match.  The polaroid taken at a person's time of weakness is seldom relinquished by the world and never forgotten.  Still a immature Christian is better of than a mature sinner.  There is always room to grow!

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       JThomp42posted 11 years agoin reply to this

       AMEN!!

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       celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       but he is a defeated foe and no problem to a mature Christian, that is why we are told to become mature.  James 1:12-16.    of course the churches prefer to keep them immature so they can control them, not do as charged and bring them to maturity

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       JThomp42posted 11 years agoin reply to this

       CELAFOE.......... I refuse to follow any church doctrine. This is why I do not attend any man made church. They try and rule your ife from the pulpit. I am a growing christian.. a work in process as we will always be. He will never be finished

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       graceinusposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       JThomps42- I'm assuming you mean man made church doctrine, right ?

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       JThomp42posted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Yes grace.

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       graceinusposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       JThomps42- Good, I'm with you on that.

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       Reginald Boswellposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Its tough and the enemy never sleeps we must stay scripture oriented and (some may disagree) under authority of another for even Jesus submitted to John the Baptist to be baptized, freewheeling Han Solos are a dime a dozen and dissipate soon enough.

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       celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       RegB-  I know many churches teach you must under authority of a man but there is not 1 scripture to back that up.   Scripture says clearly " the head of man is Jesus Christ"  no man is the head of any other man.   except in churches of man.

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       Reginald Boswellposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Celafoe: Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church hence "The Body of Christ (Ephesians 4:15)."  God's authority is Sovereign!

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        celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        RB- you said "we must stay scripture oriented and (some may disagree) under authority of another",  This is not scriptural it is a lie from the churches of men.   Jesus is not sovereign  in the churches of men,they do not follow him.

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        Reginald Boswellposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        There is nothing wrong about being immature as long as your confession remains "Jesus is Lord." Knowledge has a tendency to puff one up and see planks when observing others. Some choose to remain immature that's a personal choice. God is Sovereign.

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        PlanksandNailsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        I never heard a more ridiculous comment promoting immature ignorance.

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        celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        reg-- you sound like a pastor.     If it  is not important for Christians to become mature, then why are those too lazy to mature rebuked in 1 Cor 3 and Heb 5.    you clearly do not understand scripture.   a christians only cover is Christ.  not man

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    PlanksandNailsposted 11 years ago

    Immature "Christians" believe that Scripture must conform to their opinions, assumptions and feelings instead of conforming to what it says. The hirelings upon the pulpit tickle the immature pew warmers ears with sophistry that appeals to their desires.
    
    Knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. - 2 Peter 1:21-22
    
    It is impossible for a true Christian to remain immature because true growth comes from the power of grace working in a person's life. To remain immature is a negation of the power of the Holy Spirit.
    
    An immature "Christian" will choke on meat because the Holy Spirit is the factor of knowing how to consume and digest it in the right way. If you take a bottle away from an infant and put a steak on plate in front of him with a knife and fork, it would put the infant in a dangerous situation.
    
    So many who are caught up in the institutionalized "church" system are suckling on milk bottles not realizing that the Holy Spirit is missing in their lives.
    
    A true Christian can initially be immature, but in a state of growth. We know them by their fruit, which means that there must be maturity in their growth cycle. An immature "Christian" judges by how something looks, but the primary purpose of a maturing Christian is to bear fruit; therefore, judged by what it produces.
    
    The deception is that it is possible for grapes to be stuck on thorn bushes and for figs to be stuck on thistles. From afar they appear to be real growing fruit trees to the naive and immature.

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       celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       well said as usual

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       graceinusposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Every christian started out immature. But to mature requires the desire to grow. It is not automatic. It is something one must want. Without wanting to grow and the effort to do so then maturity as a christian is not possible. Great answer PandN

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       P&N:  I read where you said "there is no NEW revelation in the Word" If so, why does Scripture say "your sons & daughters will prophesy"  Prophesy what if no NEW revelation from the Holy Spirit & is according to the Word? Baptism, Trinity

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       PlanksandNailsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Prophecy is the forth-telling of the very will of God of the past, present and future, which is summed up in the consummation of God’s eternal purpose through Jesus Christ.
       
       http://hub.me/a94ZR

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       P&N:Did u say "future?"According to u Holy Spirit is dead!No more prophesying that is WITHIN realm of His Word which doesn't "add" or "take away?"HS reveals fm His Word "all the time!" Progression!  I.E. baptism,Jesus is God,NoTrinity"ALL" fm Wor

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       gregspalmerposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       Yes very well said amen. The very sad thing is that they're all so blind to it, lust of the eyes lust of the Flesh and the pride of life.

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    CraftytotheCoreposted 11 years ago

    Here I go again.  Stepping in it like usual when I should just remain silent.  .
    
    *Disclaimer:  this information is based entirely on my personal experience with people in my real life, no one on HP or any commenter herein.*
    
    The Bible is a big book.  The more you read and understand, the more the knowledge will come to you through life experiences applied under Biblical guidance. 
    
    The more testing you go through, you endure more things and therefore grow in the word.
    
    People who become believers are not experts overnight.  It takes time.   It takes work.
    
    Some people find it very difficult to read the Bible.  There is a really great book called Believer's Bible Commentary by William MacDonald.  I highly recommend it to anyone who struggles with understanding and interpreting the Bible.  I think some people give up after becoming Believer's because the Bible is overwhelming to read.
    
    I personally know people who have been saved for 10-15 years and they know very little about what's in the Bible.  When my grandmother died, I sought guidance from people who were believers long before my time.  No one could give me a Biblical passage to help me cope.  Not one person!  Even after speaking to deacons and church secretaries, neither they could offer me a verse for comfort.  I sought it on my own and found it.  Ecclesiastes 3:20.
    
    The more people read and understand, the more they are held accountable to a standard different than their own.  (And this last sentence rings true to me personally.   Let me explain.  When someone lives by their own "appearance" and does not apply Biblical teaching, things go awry.  I have had someone in my life who has haunted me relentlessly because they refuse to pluck the 2 x 4 out of their eye before viewing the speck in mine.  They preach to everyone that they are perfect and try to tear down everyone who doesn't live by their standards.  They believe you must gather together with the most elite and ignore the rest.)  Jesus was a Humble Servant ~ and he walked with sinners.

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       glynch1posted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Many professing Christians have been "believers" for many years, yet they do not know the Bible very well at all. Why? Maybe they are just not readers, or maybe . . . they are not true believers. One mark of a true Christian is a hunger for the Word.

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       graceinusposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Amen.

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       CraftytotheCoreposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Hunger for the Word indeed!

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       celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       crafty- no you joined in right where you belong..the problem is "pastors",  the churches do not require them to read, they want them dependent on them.   When they read their bibles they start asking embarrasing questions and expecting examples

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       PlanksandNailsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       CttC,
       We must be careful when we say that Jesus walked with sinners. Jesus only walked with sinners who brought forth the fruit of repentance. John 9:31;15:14;James 4:4,2 Corinthians 6:14-18;Hebrews 7:26. Jesus was not friends (philia) with sinners.

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       Jeff Porterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       "Jesus walked with sinners".  Yes, he visited with them, and the pharisees hated it.  People use it, to me, to defend themselves "Jesus loved sinners."   Yes, of course, BUT, he told them to "go and sin no more", not stay in it. He did not condone it

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       Michael-Milecposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       croftytotheCore, this is excellent and goes to the heart of Jesus' blueprint for the re establishing kingdom of God, Matt.5-7 pointing to the " maturity " right at the beginning , 7:24.25. A child of God putting  into the practice EVERY  wordbuilding

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       PlanksandNailsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Jeff,
       
       You are right, Jesus walked with sinners (agape), but He did not become friends with them (philia) until they repented and turned from their sin. That is why the modern "church" is filled with lukewarm "Christians," their "Gospel" is backwards

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       CraftytotheCoreposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Think about the criminal that died on the cross next to Jesus. ... Remember me in your Kingdom....Today you will be with me in paradise....

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        PlanksandNailsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        The criminal confessed his sin, said his punishment was just and he was getting what he deserved. This affirms the fruit of repentance.

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        CraftytotheCoreposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        The criminal didn't live a sin-free life though.  Yes, he confessed his sins!  That's the basic principal of what I'm talking about.  Those who don't believe they have anything to confess because they think they are perfect.

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        celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        crafty-- there is no scripture that tells us to hang around with such as you mention         one that has no reason to repent is to be left to God to deal with.   so what IS your point?    you cant change the past, only today forward

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        CraftytotheCoreposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        I don't understand your question.

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        Jeff Porterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        PlanksandNails, so many have no idea of the difference between agape and philia love.  I think that's where so many go astray here.

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        celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        crafty-- maybe i do not understand what you are trying to say then because the ? was clear.

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        CraftytotheCoreposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        The Bible is clear about it.  The criminal on that cross next to Jesus had Faith.  ?  What's not to understand?

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        celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        jeff-- so true I cant find my article on the different kinds of love, so will try to get one written .   It is clear it is needed.

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        CraftytotheCoreposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        Agape love is For God so Loved the World...Phileo love is a close intimate fellowship.  I think it got off track here when I responded to someone and didn't reference their name.  Sorry about the confusion.

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        celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        crafty-- I think i was confued by your entry but it looks like we are in agreement based on the one that followed it

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        PlanksandNailsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        Jeff and Celafoe,
        
        So many ignorantly throw the word love around, but do not apply it in the right context. Some believe that by showing love (eros) to others will bring them to Christ. That is why the modern "church" is filled with immoral people.

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        celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        P&N--  agreed that is why I insist that one of the first things new believer learn is the different kinds of love and their meanings and uses.   Too may are not taught basics principles  and do not understand there are requirements on Christians

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    HundredDollarBillposted 11 years ago

    Whatv you talking about calling me immature. HOw rude? You drink mild and cookies
    
    Labeling and judging people is down right ignorant and rude. may god forgive you

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       PlanksandNailsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       By saying that "labeling and judging people is down right ignorant and rude" is making a judgement; therefore, you are being hypocritical by not adhering to the rule that you are trying to enforce on others. We all make judgments to asses things.

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       celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       i did not address you in particular, but if the shoe fits you are welcome to wear it.    This ? was to wake people up to their responsibility to learn and follow Christ, if they claim to be Christians.  not for condemnation but to redemption.

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       Jeff Porterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Again, the scriptures actually compel christians to judge.   It teaches us how.    If we did not judge, what sort of mess would we find ourselves in?  Use righteous judgement.

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       celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       jeff--- I have almost completed an article on proper judging for Christians and hope to post it next week.   I agree with you and it is a needed understanding for Christians

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       Jeff Porterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       celafoe, I look forward to reading it.    I think the misuse of Matthew 7:1 has helped lead people astray.   Again, it comes down to learning the scriptures so you aren't fooled by such things.

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       celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       jeff-- of course the main porblem is it is taught wrong by the hireling as a self protection method , like so many other things

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    jcresslerposted 11 years ago

    Scripture says that we believers, God's people, are to be innocent as lambs but wise as the serpent. I have been a believer since age 12 and have stayed at least in the fringe of church for 44 years. So I've seen a lot of fads and phrases come and go.
    I too have grown weary of the too frequent "immaturity" of many Christians. I think the issue comes from a sheltered life and peer pressure to answer almost everything with coy platitudes. Most Christians aren't from the same planet where I grew up, so they don't have the dark worldly stain I bear. They are fortunate I think.

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       celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       unfortunately the reason can usually be traced to "church attendance".   Instead of BEING THE CHURCH they re taught to "attend church", two different things- 2 different results

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    Ann810posted 11 years ago

    Immature Christians expect for the Preachers to read the Bible for them, as children of God we have to read the Holy Bible for ourself. And we have to not only talk the talk, but walk the walk as Christ did.

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       celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       yes excellent understanding

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    aremutoyibposted 11 years ago

    I'll answer your question with my experience on facebook and personal meetings with Christians.
    
    First know, I am not a Christian. You see, if you are talking about 'immaturity' in Christendom, you are talking about blindly following orders, doing things that might necessarily not be scriptural.
    
    I've met friends that they would wanna engage you in debate and would speak words you don't expect from a gentleman, sometimes disrespecting other's diety.
    
    I've met a number of christians who do not cover their hairs, females here.Like the Scripture says, do not eat pork and you eat it, are you following the scripture? Look, many people do not know what makes them a believer. They do not know what they do as Christians. If you are doing things against scripture, you still think you believe in that religion.
    
    The immaturity that comes from Christians end surfaced due to their disobedient of the orders of the scripture. If they can return to the laws and not succumb to a man's thought, their religious maturity would be attained.

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       celafoeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       many do as you and  judge Christianity by people  instead of what God says it is.   The things you mentioned are not part of Christianity;  Christian are free eat anything, woman need not wear cover.
       sadly many Christians are a ill informed as you

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       ARE: You still living under the LAW? Those r Old Testament laws u r addressing! New Covenant NOW! Rd Jer31:33;Heb8:10;10:16;PROMISE Jn14:26;16:13;Came Acts 2:2; Holy Spirit (Jesus)spoke thru Paul in Jesus' stead began "puting laws n heart & mind.

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    cer1056posted 10 years ago

    The Question is too narrow.
    
    Why are ALL PEOPLE so Immature?
    
    Most modern Professing Christians don't really understand true Christianity very much and are just like the rest of the masses  - very immature.
    
    Most Churches (professing Christians) have gone astray and don't teach real Christianity.  How can they teach (give) what they don't  possess?
    
    Will Jesus find faith in the Earth when he returns?
    (Luke 18:8 KJV)  ... Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
    I personally know only a few real Christains who have true Faith.
    Everything in the Bible is by Faith!
    
    
    Backsliders
    (Prov 14:14 KJV)    The backslider in heart shall be filled with his own ways: and a good man shall be satisfied from himself.
    
    (Heb 4:2 KJV)     ...  but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
    
    Denying the Power of God
    (2 Tim 3:5 KJV)         Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
    Most Churches (Professing Christains) in reality deny the power of God.
    
    (2 Tim 3:6 KJV)    For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
    
    (2 Tim 3:7 KJV)    Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
    
    The Churches these days deny the power of God and have no true faith!
    
    How can mere children eat meat?
    
    The BIble teaches Ask and it shall be given.  YOU HAVE TO ASK!
    If they don't sincerely ask they won't receive.
    
    Ask any wisdom and it shall be given.
    
    Those who have real Faith, when we ask, the Holy Spirit does lead us in all things!
    
    The Bible says that in the end, there will only be a (small) remnant.
    Many will soon die for lack of knowledge.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       Yes! They heard of but don't KNOW (limited faith) His Power! They assume it happened back then, but now?? He's the same today! He places ppl n lives to "warn" w/Scripture & up 2 us to STUDY to "see if so!" Acts 17:11. Stay READ UP & prayed up

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    Amp Leeposted 10 years ago

    Again, please use correct punctuation!  Doesn't this post seem a bit condescending?  Couldn't a real Christian articulate themselves in a more respectful way toward their fellow man/woman?

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       celafoeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       whats wrong with asking a question that is valid.

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       graceinusposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       celafoe- You have asked a valid question. Maybe it will push others to study more. There are times when being point blank in our questions (and answers) is needed. Good job.

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       What's a Christian?  Followers of Jesus' teachings?  How could one be a Christian & have not read?  How could they be Christian if they don't know what He has said?

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    Norine Williamsposted 9 years ago

    "Blessed are the "PURE" in heart; for they shall see God!" (Matt 5:8)  Now, that we have that understanding, we should do as Scripture says and "study to show thyself approved unto God!" (II Tim 2:15)  The problem is, most Christians begin to "study" the "letter" and not "in spirit and in truth" allowing the Holy Spirit to guide them.
    
    The Scriptures are the "only" documents (although written by man) which are "inspired by God!"  However, we begin to "study" "historical documents" which of course contradicts some parts of the Scriptures and confuses.  Also, "religion" has changed some parts of Scripture to coincide with "their" doctrine rather than Jesus' Doctrine, John 16:13 says "Nevertheless, when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into "ALL" truth..."!  Therefore, it is "imperative" that Christians read Scripture according to John 4:23-24.  Although "man" HAS CHANGED some Scripture, the "Holy Spirit will "teach us ALL things.     
    
    Christians should therefore seek TRUTH in His Word by studying with a PURE HEART, asking God for revelation of the TRUTH in His Word!  We must do this!  We must not rely on what the "LETTER" says (the letter Killeth) but "GUIDANCE" from the Holy Spirit (even in Scripture because as I've said before "man" or "religion" has changed some Scriptures which makes it very difficult to discern if not being lead by the Holy Spirit)! 
    
    We rely on "OUR" knowledge or understanding more than the Holy Spirit! That is our problem!  Education is great (working on my master's) but NOTHING beats GUIDANCE from the Holy Spirit.  Studying the "Letter" confuses more so.   
    
    As we awake daily, we should "study" daily to obtain a greater "personal relationship" with the Holy Spirit which will "guide us into all truth!"  Otherwise, you will fall for the "HYPE" or man-made "religion" and continue to remain "IMMATURE!"

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       I Pet 2:2 "As newborn babes, desire the PURE milk of the WORD, that ye may GROW by it!"  IF Bible says "babes" sounds IMMATURE to me! Don't remain complacent "babes" - GROW! Why do most look at Messenger rather than Message?

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    flpalermoposted 9 years ago

    Glynch1:
    I think you just screwed-up by your statement:
    “I see nowhere in Scripture where God states that the Holy Spirit will teach all Christians "all things" or that He will "bring to your remembrance all things I said to you."
    Limiting the Holy Spirit again?
    This is why men go to Seminaries to be taught by other men.
    They have no faith in the power of God!

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       Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       No, I  believe Christians are being lead by the Holy Spirit if "IN" Christ Jesus!  You go to seminaries to be taught by "men" rather than the Holy Spirit? Rem:Rm 8:6-8. ALL should learn to "Walk in the Spirit," or they will remain "IMMATURE!"

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    importantopinionsposted 8 years ago

    They do not have any understanding at all of the bible, and created their own version to it. They use that version they created to torture, create hate and push people away from God. They are just like the Romans who killed jesus.

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    Reluctant Revivalposted 8 years ago

    Many Christians reach a plateau of comfortability in their spiritual walk with Christ. As long a their walk with Christ does not interfere with their daily life's pleasures, many Christians don't mind fitting Jesus Christ in their life.

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       celafoeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       yes and the "pastors" (false teachers) who have elevated themselves above them like to keep it that way so its easy to control them   If they learn the scriptures correctly they will not  listen to their man made doctrines and fables

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