There are good Atheists that tolerate Religions and accept them for who they are. They know and understand that America has a Religious heritage that must be preserved, just like Secularism, which I also agree must be preserved in America.
Most Atheists, however, claim to preach tolerance and open-minded free thought, but when it comes to Religions, (Christianity, Protestantism, Judaism, and Islam), they like to classify them as hate cults that need to be eliminated from the world forever and portray themselves as the superior good-doers.
These certain Atheists think that if you're a Christian, Protestant, Jew, or Muslim, then you are under mind control. They only think that Science is the answer to EVERYTHING. They also think that just because they're Atheists means that they know more about Religions than the Religious know about themselves.
Science, as much as I strongly support it and always will, can explain MOST things, but NOT EVERYTHING. As far as I'm concerned, Science has become different from Atheism. Science is meant to HELP and SERVE Humankind, NOT eliminate Religions from the world or force others to only believe in the Evolution theory.
The truth is these certain Atheists know NOTHING about Religions. They never have and they never will. They have nothing better to do in their lives then verbally hurt innocent Religions and take away their Civil Rights and Civil Liberties in America, and they’re in-denial about it.
Why are they so Intolerant?
Religions don't need to be preserved, we can laminate them instead.
Atheists don't really do anything, it's when the religious fundies do something, it makes atheists look good.
If science isn't the answer to everything, what is?
Atheists often do know more about religions, they tend to look at a variety of religions with an open mind, while those who are religious know very little about other religions and remain closed minded to them.
If you say science can't explain everything, then there must be something you know of that it can't explain. What do you know that science cannot know?
I like the part about "innocent religions" - funny stuff. The Crusades was just a boy scout camping adventure?
The first thing science cannot explain is where and how everything came into existence.
And about atheists...it's funny how they not only invade a religious or spiritual thread but are often the first.
When it comes to atheists or theists the only problem seems to be when either side presents their opinion or belief as absolute truth, because the bottom line is that none of us really know.
I'm pretty darn sure that out of the possibilities available to us, an invisible friend in the sky who killed all but 8 of mankind and wiped out men women and children out of rage would be pretty low on the list of likely outcomes as a wonderful loving god of creation.
Nah! The few million interlocking peer reviewed scientific theories we have so far are fairy stories, goddunnit.
I'm not interested in possibilities, only the one truth. And many things are true in this world that seem impossible too. As for science there are alot of us who feel there is a definite link between science and God without contradiction. But believing that science has all the answers is a leap of faith too,because as I said no one knows.
You are right of course. It is a leap of faith either way. One with a track record that leads us to what we understand about science, medicine, mind and body, the devices we are using now to communicate what we believe....... the other a re-write of the stories that came before it, straight from the minds of the first controlling psychotics who found an opportunity to subjugate the great unwashed by catering to their stupid superstitions.
It is a copy of a copy of a myth, the whole lot of it.
its a lot better than those zeus myths you deem in such regard.
God put a planet in space, hung it there, and how did he do that? Scientists call gravity "a force of attraction". Does this explain gravity? Does this give a reason for gravity to exist? Does it mention how gravity came into being? Or is it yet another name for God? It's invisible, does good things and keeps our planet in order. Yes science can point to a lot of things but it is only a backwards examination of something previously done. IF there is a motor in front of me, i can take it apart but does that mean i put it together or that it just happened. God has all these things that we cannot explain, in place, and they function as they are supposed to. It is no great thing that we look at something made, the human body for example, dissect it and make chemicals that respond in certain ways to it. Does that eliminate that the body was made in the first place? No it just delves into and examines and put together reasonable medicines to help. All these medicines that were one time based on plants and herbs that God placed. Science is good but lets not make a god out of it.
The argument goes both ways. There are plenty of religious people that have a problem with atheism. They are intolerant.
It isn't most atheists, or religious. It's a few.
There are zealots on both side of the fence. It's who they are. You can't change them, so why worry about it?
Absolutely, atheistic zealotry is out of control.
Bring in the fire hoses and the inflatable sheep. And, don't forget to grab your Wellingtons.
You may be a zealot, but it hasn't come to that. Yet.
Although your call for inflatable sheep does have me a little worried.
We have plenty of sheep here, but how in hell do you inflate em?
You're making a lot of incorrect assumptions (and I'm not an atheist, by the way):
1. Not all (or even most) atheists are necessarily antagonistic towards religious people. Don't mistake a few hotheads in this forum for all atheists, the vast majority of whom simply have no religious beliefs.
2. Most "evangelical atheists" tend to focus on Christianity and Islam, probably because of their dogmatic tradition and tendency to proselytize.
3. I've only seen science used as a weapon against those who question its value or validity (not all religious people).
4. A recent poll in the US found that atheists actually knew more about religion than any other religious group.
How do you poll what someone else knows or doesn't know? And is atheism a religion?
I believe atheism is a religion in one sense. Those who hold that there is only one god and thereby denying hundreds of other gods would be true atheists, so I guess "believers" are the only true atheists.
Those of us who don't believe in any gods could not be called atheists accurately, as the word itself is a religious construct.
I'm trying to follow your reasoning, lets take Christians, they believe in one God correct? If that's true then you claim that they are atheists because they discount other Gods you say don't really exist?
But they believe in a God, so how are they atheists? I have this strange feeling you're being a bit facetious.
We are all atheists. We just believe in one less god than the Xtians. It is a play on words. You wouldn't understand - apparently.
As a matter of interest - as no gods exists - how can you be anything but facetious when discussing them?
If no God exists then facetious doesn't exist. You don't seem to understand-apparently.
Speaking nonsense at me is not going to help. Sorry you do not understand. Is that why you are so angry that people don't believe?
Nothing exists if god does not exist huh? Odd you don't see this is nonsense.
I don't think I care if people don't believe it does not affect me at all. I'm just saying that acting facetious or devilish wouldn't exist because the devil is a religious construct. Of course the word has other meanings so I guess you have a point.
The word "facetious," has no religious meaning. Most religionists are fond of telling us that atheists "deny god". They in turn deny all the other gods. Therefore they are atheists themselves.
I am aware that facetious has no religious meaning. Acting facetious is also described as being devilish, it was a poor attempt at humor. Forgive me if your atheism will allow it.
Too much blood and gore and fighting in the other myths. Getting their nuts cut off and thrown into the sea. Fighting without cause. All those rapes by gods. despicable behavior.
You seem to be totally stuck on things that nobody said or believe in as if their beliefs.
I don't happen to believe in any gods, for the thousandth time, yet you keep on about the Greek MYTHS as if I were supporting them.
Zeus is as mad as your biblical god, and just as mythical.
I think you need to go back to reading class at grade level and start again!
Um, easy. You give them a quiz.
http://pewforum.org/Other-Beliefs-and-P … urvey.aspx
Atheists are rather hostile to religions due to the attrocities that were committed throughout history in the name of religion.
I find that Atheists can be rather hostile towards theists, but it is not like we didn't bring it on ourselves.
A question that is easily as good is "Why are religious people so intolerant of Atheists / Homsexuals / other religions / heterosexuals / Jews / Gingers / Blacks / Flying Spaghetti Monsters / Money / the rich / the poor / white people / mexicans / indians / God / etc.
I think the people like you describe do not look so much to the individual but more to the sort of things done in the name of religion and not acknowledging that the bad aspects of the individual commiting horrible acts while professing a certain faith does not reflect such a faith as a whole. There are intolerant types in every stated ideology, religious or otherwise.
I don't see a lot of atheists opening threads that threaten the world as a whole and individuals specifically with the prospect of being tortured or hated and lesser beings than them as they have a secret invisible fairy that others can't see.
How about you?
I don't know any Atheists that preach anything, we or I just don't believe in what can't be proven and makes no sense at all. the bible is a contradiction from front to back. Most Christians just can't except that we weren't created by some higher power called GOD, let me ask you this? who created GOD? how is it possible that god just exist but man had to be created? one more question, there's something that's always confused me from my understanding'it is that we are here on earth to do GOD's will, to live are live's for GOD with the ultimate reward being eternal life in heaven with GOD, so your sitting in the doctor's office and he just breaks the news to you that you have a fatal decease (the golden ticket, god has called your number)yet the first thing you do is run to a specialist (man,Doctor) in hope's that he can save your life. Don't you see the irony in this? you would think that you would be rejoicing throwing a major celebration. I work in the medical field and in 22 years I have never met a christian that was excited about receiving this ultimate gift.Quite the opposite, exhausting every possible resource to stay here on earth,where's the faith here. Another example of Christianity is to watch the news, specially on this Casey issue the people that claim to be christian's in Florida that are starting memorial for Caylee, there response to Casey returning to Florida to do her probation is so full of hated and anger it's scary. If they are an example of what christian's are, then you have no right to pass judgement on Atheist.Just for the record I don't have a problem with people who believe in GOD they have a problem with me, I just don't believe in a theory that is based on transcripts that we are lead to believe exist,that have been translated who knows how many times, and there is no scientific evidence to support this theory. Just a book with some cool stories. I read a book that was about a mouse that road a motorcycle from coast to coast searching for a talking piece of cheese. When I see it I'll believe it.
I just love the way the question is formed...... a bit like asking the OP
"Are you still beating your wife? "
Some religionists are funny! ...and shallow too!
hey hey hey, a little harsh don't ya think, guilt has made you hard.
Guilt has made me hard? Are you serious?
Read the thread... what does it imply? You wouldn't have noticed I guess. Got the god glasses on have we?
no I just know you used make money preying on peoples beliefs and now you feel guilty about that, so instead of dealing with the guilt, now you deny religion and God altogether.
How have I ever done that?
Get your facts straight and then apologise!
Telling lies about people is morally bankrupt.
You told me don't you remember?
I tell no Lies.
I have told you nothing at any time. I went to your profile. I do not know you, I do not follow you, I have had no contact with you.
Show me and all the others on this thread what you are talking about. You will prove what you said or apologise.
You cannot make statements like the one you have made with impunity even on a forum, I will not report you to hubpages, I will instead take legal action for defamation of character immediately if I do not receive a complete retraction.
How about that?
No reply to my post to Dianne Inside.
I did give you fair warning.
I will be contacting my lawyer first thing in the morning to have this matter resolved.
I been kind of wondering about this myself. Though I do not read every comment or even thread, I am sure I would not have missed it if you had something like what she said you did.
I just don't know what to say or think about it. Kind of far-fetched if you ask me.
There is no way to hide from this. It is simply a fabrication.
It is possible that she has you mistaken for someone else.
No activity for her in the past 19 hours so she is probably offsite.
You may be right. Perhaps she made a mistake in who she was addressing, either way this will not rest until resolved.
I have a very good reputation and a family and city that respect who I am and what I have done with my life.
I will not allow it to be soiled by anyone who feels like it.
I have grandchildren to answer to. I will have them answered honestly.
i side with diane, anyone who carries on so earnestly has a large closet full of bones and i agree, guilt hardens hearts.
Are you a psychiatrist now, BO? You'd better clean out your own closet before advising others to do so. Just stick to your old myth book and blindly believe nonsense like you normally do. Just stay away from profundity. It is obviously one of your weakest tools.
Hey guys, lets not argue over this. Besides, everyone has a right to their own opinion. And lets face it, NOBODY here knows if there's really a god or not until they die. I know that sounds grim, but that's just reality. anyone that says different is selling something.
Earnest, you've always struck me as a decent guy, so I have no quarrels with you, but I'm sure Diane meant no ill offense on her part. Yes, I did read your conversation, but I know her well enough to say that she's a good person. Not saying your the bad guy here, nor would I ever imply it, as I know your a good person too. No, all I'm saying is that I think it's best to probably let this go. Besides, life is way too short to worry about the little stuff, and as you stated earlier, you don't even know her. Therefore, does it really matter what a person that you barely even know thinks of you?
As my father used to say, unless someone pays your bills, then you shouldn't care what they think. Therefore, the only thing that matters is that you know what you know. Anyway, I hope that makes sense. I apologize for intruding on your conversation with her, as it's none of my business. However, I'm just giving you some free advice. Besides, we both know that whenever people talk about religion, politics or anything controversial, then there's always bound to be mudslinging at both ends. Hell, you know more about that than I do, as I see you debating in religious forums a lot, so I don't need to tell you about that.
Anyway, I hope you don't interpret this as an attack on you, as I can clearly tell you that's not my intention.
A good perspective.
I have no problem letting stuff slide by, but this was a deliberate lie that was designed to discredit me personally, not a rebuttal of my views on religion.
If I had no reputation I would have no case would I?
I do have a reputation for honesty and integrity that is valuable to me and my friends and family, and it takes a lifetime to establish such a base.
I have solid grounds to sue her for defamation of character, and as she is obviously not going to apologise, I will be doing just that at my earliest convenience.
Where has the hit and run lying abuser gone?
Off to seek legal advice on what constitutes litigious comments no doubt!
thought you already did that? you said you were going to:
"I will be contacting my lawyer first thing in the morning to have this matter resolved".
first thing in the morning...
was that a lie?
or just a sloppy interpretation of the word morning?
Different time zones brothery.
So incensed you had to come back and ad an edit eh?
None of your business as usual of course.
Why don't you go frighten some children or something?
Misread another post brothery?
I was enquiring as to what she was doing, not that it is any concern of yours!~
Just for fun, I reversed the OP's rant, meaning atheist became believer and vice versa. Here's what you get :
There are good believers that tolerate atheists and accept them for who they are. They know and understand that America has a seular heritage that must be preserved, just like religion, which I also agree must be preserved in America.
Most believers, however, claim to preach tolerance and open-minded free thought, but when it comes to atheism, they like to classify them as hate groups that need to be eliminated from the world forever and portray themselves as the superior good-doers.
These certain believers think that if you're an atheist then you are under mind control. They only think that GOD is the answer to EVERYTHING. They also think that just because they're religious it means that they know more about atheism than the atheists know about themselves.
The bible, as much as I strongly support it and always will, can explain MOST things, but NOT EVERYTHING. As far as I'm concerned, scripture has become different from religion. Religion is meant to HELP and SERVE Humankind, NOT eliminate atheism from the world or force others to only believe in the intelligent design.
The truth is these certain belivers know NOTHING about atheism. They never have and they never will. They have nothing better to do in their lives then verbally hurt innocent atheists and take away their Civil Rights and Civil Liberties in America, and they’re in-denial about it.
Why are they so Intolerant?
Everyone has a right to an opinion?
If my opinion is that you are a thief or a liar and I have no evidence to support either, and don't know you from Adam you would just call that my opinion?
I don't think you would.
hmm...well you do bring up a good point there, as I certainly can't argue with that logic. like i said before, i'm not taking anyone's sides here, as i was merely trying to diffuse a situation. however, I apologize if you thought i was, as that was never my intention.
Ah the religious forums. Why did I take such a long break from them???
How's this for paranoid?
 Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget the covenant of the LORD your God, which he made with you, and make you a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, which the LORD thy God hath forbidden thee.
 For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.
 When thou shalt beget children, and children's children, and ye shall have remained long in the land, and shall corrupt yourselves, and make a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, and shall do evil in the sight of the LORD thy God, to provoke him to anger:
 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.
 And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.
 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.
 But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
 When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
Yep! That is right up there in the paranoid stakes!
how do you get paranoid out of that? Seems like another sloppy interpretation to me.
Just good counsel.
i side with diane, anyone who carries on so earnestly has a large closet full of bones and i agree, guilt hardens hearts.
Another fine personal analyses by the guy who can't even make his abuse stick!
Time to find a real job I reckon brothery.
Flogging religion seems to bring out the worst in you.
as does your continual flogging also.
What really gets me is all the denial that can't be healthy
Sleeping well these days?
Unlike yourself brothery I don't have anything I need to deny. I don't for example have to deny reality all day and night to believe in an invisible friend.
I also don't have a bad conscience from making up lies and telling unrelated lies about anyone who disagrees with me on a forum.
I don't feel compelled to protect a belief system that has had it's day with stories about an invisible fairy making a special fish to live in either
I'm not sure how everyone else feels about this topic. I have yet to read through the comments, but I CAN tell you how I feel about religion/atheists from my personal experiences.
I should start off by saying that I am an atheist. I was a Christian for a large portion of my early life, so I feel as if I have a pretty good grasp on most Christian concepts and ideals.
Speaking for myself, I don't feel paranoid about religion. In fact, I think that there is quite a number of good teachings that come from most of them. Treating others as you would want to be treated. Helping the less fortunate, etc. These things are all good, but there are a number of things that just didn't sit well with me over time when I began to question the validity of my Christian faith as a youth.
For example; I couldn't wrap my mind around the fact that it didn't matter how kind hearted a person was, if they didn't believe in Jesus Christ as their personal savior, then they were destined to spend eternity in hell. It just seems like a completely unjustified punishment for someone just because they weren't a Christian.
When I reached my early twenties I had a hard time accepting that homosexuality was considered a horrible sin. I'm not homosexual myself, but I know a decent number of men that are, and most of them are kind, caring people. Personally, I believe that being homosexual is not a choice. Either you are or you aren't. I never had a decision on my sexuality. I have always been attracted to women since I can remember caring about that sort of thing. I don't believe that it's too far out there to think that perhaps homosexuals don't have a choice either. But in church I was taught that homosexuality is a choice, and that it's very wrong, and I was conflicted for a long time about the issue because I remember a guy I went to high school with that got made fun of, and sometimes beat because he was gay. I remembered thinking back then that why would someone choose to want to go through that kind of punishment day in and day out? My dad told me it was because this kid wanted attention, but I never believed that. You don't want to get your face bashed in because you receive attention for it.
These are just a couple of the issues I have with Christianity, but my biggest problem with Christianity and religion in general is that religion makes you look at people through a prism. "That person is Muslim? Well, they can't be trusted!" "Tom at work is gay? I don't want him near me. His lifestyle is wrong."
Personally, I like making assessments about people based off of their character, not which religion they practice, or what their sexuality is. Everyone single one of us has problems in some way, shape, or form. Everyone. But I have spent too much time in church during my youth seeing the people who say they don't judge others passing judgement on anyone who doesn't believe exactly what they believe in. After a while, I just couldn't take it anymore.
I have a much more simple philosophy on life now which is I try to do things the right way. I try to be nice to people. I try to help people out if I can. I try to have patience. My dad used to tell me that all these things are Christian principles. I guess they could be considered that, but I just think they are human morals. It's not a religious thing. It's about being a good human being, and I don't think that you have to be religious to be a good person.
Ps- I don't mean to specifically bag on Christianity. It just the religion that I can most relate to based off of my upbringing.
So - the Quran teaches that anyone who does not submit to Allah is an enemy and should be killed. The bible teaches that non believers are fools who are automatically against Christ if they are not with him. They both teach that this life is simply a test to see who goes on to live for eternity. They both teach that slavery is perfectly acceptable, but - believers should separate themselves from non believers because believers have the moral high ground.
And these teachings do not put the fear of god into you? 2,000 years of witch burnings and crusades do not worry you? You are not scared when people tell you they believe what these books teach as the inerrant word of god/allah?
Well I am scared that some people believe everything in the Bible so literally. They honestly believe that Jonas lived in a whale's belly, haha. They believe that Noah really gathered two of every single animal, insect, etc and put them all on a huge boat. That does scare me, I suppose, that things that are completely impossible are believed just because they are in a book.
it wasn't a whale.
It was a fish specially prepared by God
Jonah 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
Jonah 2:1 Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly.
So yes he lived and yes this fish was specially designed. And when this fishes mission was done, the fish was most likely unmade.
Solitary confinement in a specially designed fish?
Fascinating. Was that before, or after, the magic beans were planted? Did you read that post, before you hit submit?
We have the words; God/Yehwah "Prepared, Provided, Arranged, Sent, Made ready" a great fish...Depending on the version of bible used...which one is correct? because not all the these words can be interpreted as "God making a special fish for a purpose"
This is the Hebrew word used:
to weigh out; by implication, to allot or constitute officially; also to enumerate or enroll -- appoint, count, number, prepare, set, tell.
. I have never read that the fish (we won't call it a whale) was specially prepared so that a human could live inside of it. And just the fact that someone believes that s man could live in a "fish" for 3 days and nights is impossible. It can't happen! But it must have happened, because it's in the book, even though there are a billion different versions of the same book.
This invisible force NEVER becomes a FRIEND and is always punitive.America is not supposed to be a demagogue but if some of the ignorant few have their way we would be a demagogue quickly.Then to make matters worse that demagogue would be exclusively CHRISTIAN and MUSLIMS need not apply.
Kind of a hypocritical demagogue.
The separation of church and state is what make this country beautiful.Then all the bickering that religions suffer from will never interfere.
Just look at the nonsense in Ireland all over Catholics and Protestants
The JEWS and MUSLIMS will NEVER find common ground unless Jesus Christ or Mohammed himself descends from the sky.
KEEP AN EYE OUT NOW !!
The list of ignorance in the name of WHATEVER GOD is endless
Spirituality makes sense and isn't so damn exclusive.
Letting any of this RULE YOUR LIFE however is bad and I suppose I will have a few thumpers WHINE. OH WELL !!
Jesus Christ is not far fetched and he certainly wouldn't want such punitive social rules after being abused by the authorities himself.He also was ANTI AUTHORITY and kind of a REBEL.
Imagine That !
Religion gets so damn twisted !.
You should just let people believe whatever they want. Yes theres been bad things done "In the name of religion". You Think all religous people agree with what they did. No. But at the same time there been bad things that happen. Not in the name of Atheism. But by people had hard line anti religious views.
To deny that things is to ignore history. Its not religon that makes people bad. Its one group people believe they are better then the other. Its HUMAN Nature itself that is to blame. Anti-Theist can do bad things. Religious people do bad things. You no more moral then the other guy.
Why are Most Atheists Paranoid of Religions?
I think they fear their own doubts.
I've yet to meet any Atheist who was paranoid of religion. So, saying MOST Atheists are paranoid of religion is foolish.
Some Atheists might be paranoid of those who practice religion and have a good reason.
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