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    ChillyMellposted 4 years ago

    I just want to say that God loves all his/her children and Love is the main focus  to me when speaking about God. Through my meditation God does not like denominations because it takes away from variety and reality. I believe we should explore all avenues of worship and edification. One day God said to me that if you live without Love now abides nothing....

    1. Niteriter profile image78
      Niteriterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I've always wondered what God's voice sounds like. Perhaps now you're in a position to tell me.

    2. Onlinedrivered profile image61
      Onlinedriveredposted 4 years ago in reply to this


    3. phillippeengel profile image73
      phillippeengelposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      It might be true that humans do not appreciate God since there are denominations.

  2. girlgonestrong profile image59
    girlgonestrongposted 4 years ago

    Interestingly enough, you're actually right on this...but probably not in the way you intended.

    The Bible says that God DOES love all his children.  It also says, on more than one occasion, that he hates the wicked.  There's even a verse that says that even the PRAYER of someone that rejects his word is an abomination to Him.

    From the way you wrote this, I'm guessing that you are making an assumption that all people living are "God's children" which is false.

    God love his children and hates his enemies.  Not a popular message in today's inclusive ideological environment, but true regardless.

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      Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Who, exactly, is an enemy of God? Those who don't happen to agree with you? Maybe that's why Christian teaching is 'love your enemy' because someone knew someone else would take a passage and misinterpret it in order for them to allow themselves to believe they could decide who a god does, or does not, hate.

      1. brotheryochanan profile image60
        brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this


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          Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I'm not surprised you didn't understand that.

      2. girlgonestrong profile image59
        girlgonestrongposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Emile...the Bible is pretty clear in both the Old and New Testaments in describing who is part of the family of God and who is not.  When you start using words like "misinterpret" as you did, I'd be willing to bet that any interpretation which doesn't include everyone except for mass murders would be a wrong interpretation in your book.

        Regardless, it's important to remember that the most important law in logic is the law of noncontradiction.  That is, nothing can be what it is and what it is not at the same time and in the same respect.

        If God says that there are people that he hates, then that passage can't mean that there are no people which he hates.  He hates SOMEONE if he committed that verse to Holy Scripture.  So the question then becomes...."What ARE these people that he hates?"

        Jesus said in Matthew 13:49-50 that upon his return he would send out his angels to separate the evil from the righteous and then throw the evil into hell.  The verse is clear and there is no 'misinterpreting' it.  It seems pretty clear, then, that the evil are the ones God hates, if this is what he's doing to them.

        Of course, now we have ANOTHER question.  Who are the evil?  Well, from the verse, they are whoever is not in the group labeled "righteous".  Sooo....the unrighteous.

        That, then leads us to ask how one gets to be added to the rolls of the righteous.  To figure out the answer to THAT you'd want to read the entire book of Romans and then, for a confirming understanding of who's belongs to the Church and who does not,  you'd read the short epistle of 1 John.

        If you actually do some digging into the Bible...you find that the answer are all there.  Since you can visit Biblegateway.com now and read the Bible fro free, there is no excuse for anyone who is on Hubpages to not find out what it says...you don't even have to go buy the actual book anymore to read it.

        1. lone77star profile image91
          lone77starposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Beautifully put, @girlgonestrong. But even with God "hating," there is more digging that can be done.

          God loves all His children. So, how can He hate any of them?

          Before Jacob and Esau were born, God hated Esau, but loved Jacob. Why, because Esau was evil. How could an unborn baby be evil? Simple, the immortal spirit within had done things which were evil in a prior existence.

          Numbers 14:18 tells of the sins of the fathers being visited upon the children. Read it carefully. You'll find some interesting answers therein. Innocent children do not pay for their ancestors' crimes; only the guilty pay for those crimes.

          And what is "evil?" Evil is selfishness. Evil is ego. And ego is the false "self" which must die before we can gain everlasting life.

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          Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I don't have to go anywhere to understand why you would make such a statement. The church has, historically, used the text in order to feel justified in condemning the souls of others. What I'm wrestling with is why anyone  would still be so insecure as to feel the need to hate others so much.

          Why imagine a cosmic force filled with your insecurities? Why attempt to use a book to justify the hatred? Why not simply seek help? As your mother probably asked, 'if everyone else is jumping off of a bridge will you do it too?'

          You don't have to wish such as that on others. You don't have to search the text to find justification. And you certainly can't expect others to follow in your footsteps. Footsteps that follow a path so very far removed from the one's of the one you claim to follow.

    2. brotheryochanan profile image60
      brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      very true
      Its not easy to misinterpret blatant and obvious scripture as some with an agenda suppose it to be.

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Not easy to misinterpret?  Nearly every verse in the bible, obvious or not, has multiple interpretations.

        God created everything in 7 days.  Or 7 weeks.  Or 7 years, or an unknown time, but NOT 7 days.  Now, the 7 days was pretty obvious, and the writers could count to at least 10 even back then - there is no mistake.  Just various interpretations.

        Unless you mean everyone that "interprets" the bible, trying to understand it, has a secret agenda?

        1. girlgonestrong profile image59
          girlgonestrongposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          While there may be many interpretations for any given passage, there is only one ACCURATE interpretation.  That would be the one which accurately interprets what the author was trying to communicate when the words were penned.  To use your example, if God created the world in 6 days (it does not say 7) and he wanted to communicate the idea that he created the world in 6 days, then all the other "interpretations" are not real interpretations at all.  They're erroneous.  They are the essence of error. Wrong.  False.  Not true.

          The mind of the average person has been so influenced by relativisim that people think that it might actually be possible, when God says he's going ot send some people to hell, that he might actually do the opposite and send nobody to hell!  That's a wrong interpretation.

          1. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            You're right, of course, on the six days.

            So why in the world would anyone claim it was any more?  Just because we understand that our sun was a latecomer in the universe, torching off a billion years after the stars first appeared?  Is that a reason to decide the bible is wrong and "interpret" it to agree with the facts?

            Similarly, how can anyone decide that mankind appeared on earth millions of years after the first animal - the bible plainly states that that isn't true.  Do they say this simply because we know there were animals here long, long before man showed up?  Is that a reason to declare the bible false and again provide an interpretation that agrees with the truth of the matter?

            I don't get it.  If God was wrong, or lied, when he worked through man to write those words, then He was wrong or lied.  That's no reason to change His words.

    3. lone77star profile image91
      lone77starposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      @girlgonestrong, and perhaps you are right, but not in the way you intended. (And me, too.)

      Who are God's children? Why is it that even the wicked may be redeemed?

      You said that the idea that "all people living are 'God's children' which is false."

      Well, yes and no. The Homo sapiens bodies are not God's children. None of them!

      The ego remains the source of all evil. This is the heart of selfishness. This is the pride of the Pharisees to be seen as "righteous" by their peers. This is the self-righteousness of many modern Christians. Sadly, God "hates" them, too. And all too often, God "hates" me, but I keep trying.

      Ego is the "false self" which must be killed before we can gain everlasting life. The true self (sleeping child of God within) is what must awaken before that can happen. Those who try to save themselves will surely die. Ego is easily bruised (vulnerable) and we try to protect it. That's the great sin. Ego is of this world.

      So, God's children? Those who view the world through ego are not God's children. Those who view the world through the immortal and Holy Spirit are God's children, because they are accepting who they really are. They are not following the false self.

      I'm sure God and Jesus care little for the denominations of Christianity. They care only for those who see past the B.S. dogma and follow the real spirit of the law -- to love God above all else, and to love each other as we do our true self. This has nothing to do with physical feelings (lust, sex, etc), but has everything to do with compassion, generosity and wisdom. And these are the transcendent forms of compassion, generosity and wisdom -- not their imperfect and tainted Earthly counterparts, where ego is master.

      Just as faith is perfect confidence without even the tiniest spot of doubt, heavenly compassion is without the tiniest spot of indifference, heavenly generosity is without blemish of selfishness and heavenly wisdom is without even the tiniest spot of stupidity. For this is the realm of spirit -- the realm where creation occurs and true forgiveness proves to be effortless.

  3. paradigmsearch profile image90
    paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago

    God doesn't say anything. It's religion that does all the talking.

    1. lone77star profile image91
      lone77starposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      @paradigmsearch, sorry, but you're just not listening.

      Your human ears will never hear. Stop thinking like a body. This all has nothing to do with these Homo sapiens vessels we wear.

      It's all about giving up the ego self and all other attachments to this dark, physical realm and reawakening to the light of spiritual awareness.

      When you connect with God, miracles happen. Like that of Moses crossing the Red Sea. (And I just watched a YouTube video on evidence found for this crossing, including many of the Egyptian chariot wheels.) Yep, really happened. I experienced something similar in 1977, and this puny Homo sapiens body couldn't have done it. That day, I was listening to God, and he wasn't speaking English.

      BTW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-v6dzIrGR4
      (be sure to check out both parts)