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   nonto21posted 11 years ago

   How come Noah's boat was the only one that worked?

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      Randy Godwinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Because his had the most horses! 
      
      

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         nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         How did the 3 toed sloth make the boat?
         
         Why is there no mention of Kangaroos?
         
         How did animals from separate continents, get over their respective oceans?
         
         All questions that have been asked before I'm sure.

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            pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Turkey? or wherever that mount is is probably not a big country perhaps there were not too many animal species in that country.

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               nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               It's still a crazy story.

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                  pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Crazy does not necessarily mean it did not happen.

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                     nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Common sense would dictate that it didn't happen.

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                        pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Yes it would. Eating dead people was too bizarre for my common sense to get its head around but it was true.
                        
                        We might never know if the flood happened or not.

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                           nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           It's all conjecture at this point. There's no science or reason that could back it up.

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                              Randy Godwinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              The flood myth was clearly stolen from The Epic of Gilgamesh which predated the bible. 
                              
                                                                         

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                                 nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 And the upanishads, which predate the epic of Gilgamesh. A shared story, in that part of the world, but really no other.

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                           Friendlywordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           There's scientific proof a Great Flood did happen. The specifics can be questioned. The three toed sloth does present a problem with the Noah theory.

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                              nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              It definitely does. It's too contradictory to biblical logic.

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                              pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              While scientific proof says it all.

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                                 nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 It at least science gives us an idea how to look at it and how to argue a logical point.

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                                    pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    Yes.

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                              Friendlywordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              CONT.
                              
                              BUT, there is this possible evidence that may prove the story of Noah.  And the Bible has proven to have some accurate historic places and events in it.
                              
                              http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news … cksea.html
                              
                              
                              http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news … s-ark.html
                              
                              
                              http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news … ark_2.html

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                                 nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 Not that I can tell.
                                 
                                 Yes pilot existed, but there's no written doccumentation, outside of the bible to validate the claim that he was in audience with Jesus.
                                 
                                 Yes Ceasar Ramos existed, but there's only one or two mentions of his involvement in semetic affairs.
                                 
                                 Other than that, I don't see it.

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            Randy Godwinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            A snap of the fingers and an abracadabra worked just fine for god back then.  The same would have done so without drowning all of the babies and tiny little bunny rabbits too, but apparently he was trying to make a point.  Gods do that! 
            
                           

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               nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Insensitive jerks of Gods...

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               Friendlywordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               I address this question in one of my hubs.
               Why do we put so much weight on Gods shoulders? Him carrying us around is not good enough for you?
               I think in instances like the flood or parting the red sea shows God is not all powerful and all knowing but, God does his best to save us the best he can.
               
               The hub is about his struggle with Lucifer and his limitations and love for his Children.

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                  nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  His love is negated by the unchanging God clause. If God is unchanging and eternally so, why change his mind? Why saccrifice himself to himself?

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                     Friendlywordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     What...
                     What did I just say?  Give the guy a break!  First of all, you don't know who he or she or it is.  You sure don't know what he can do.  And in any case; he is not responsible for our sense of helplessness, hopelessness, loss of faith, or no faith.  That's all on you.  He does what he does, if he does, and that should be good enough for you.
                     
                     But in the interest of debate, if you had someone that you really thought was all knowing and all seeing; how could you ever go to the bathroom?

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                        nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Funny answer.
                        
                        It all falls on someone proving their stance. If it can't be proven as fact, then certainly, it isn't a fact.

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                           nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Gee. It's so much easier to articulate my answers offline.

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                              Friendlywordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              Things are pretty much what you believe they are.  The facts will do until you need better answers. Don't hurt your head with questions you can't get answer for on this earth, while you're alive!

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                                 nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 If I can't get answers for it on earth, then why act as if I can? Christians speak of God as being a reality, then they must prove it to those that don't see it as fact.

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                                    Friendlywordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    Why does it make people so mad. Most People believe in some kind of God because we all feel the spirit of God and don't know what else to call it.  People are scared of dying and need the comfort only God can give them.  It's not about hurting you; it's about people trying to save themselves.  It's gone on from the first man on earth and people will question or have faith in God till the last man on earth.

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                                       nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       who said I was mad.
                                       
                                       I'm just asking theists to prove their case or at least drop talking of it as fact. Mostly because there is no way to know.

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            jah1zposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Even birds flocks when the season change. So does the animals. They sniff a coming destruction better than human.
            
            "Regional" is the key word here. Every regional have every fowl/creatures according to its kind, of it's environment (in that time).
            
            You don't need two of every kind, just 10% of the two's of every kind of that regional, in that environment.

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      pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Apparently God only spoke to Noah even instructing how he should build the Ark. When he told the people, they laughed at him or something like that. Didn't believe him and so drowned. Did someone else build a boat?

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         nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Historically. As far as we know, the Polinesians were the first sea fairing people.

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            pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Yes apparently we were. We traded around the world before it was discovered the world was round. But we have no flood stories that I know of.

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               nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               It's a ploy then, chritianity?

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                  pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Ploy? No idea. Perhaps in their view of existence their country was "the whole world". How far can a bird fly?

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                     nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     "In their region of the world"... Key phrase.

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                        pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Yes key words indeed.

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               jah1zposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               "We" ---- smh. Who is "we" Penny? I'm laughing now and whatever response you give me will most likely make me double over in more laughing.
               
               Go on, knowledgeable One........

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                  pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  We as in my ancient race. Maori travelled the seas trading with many countries before the compass was invented and before it was discovered the world was round.

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                     jah1zposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Your "ancient race" ---- interesting. Tell me about this ancient race. Identify them in the Bible before mankind knew the Earth was round, for I tell you a truth, in the story Job, even he knew the Earth was round and knew this in the region of Israel to Africa.
                     
                     I tell you another truth, Penny. Your ethnicity didn't come around until 600 B.C. in Europe. There is no way your "we" people was around during Noah's time. In fact, the Progenitor of your ethnicity was yet a young man and hasn't multiply his seed as of yet.

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                        pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        They are not in the bible as far as I am aware. Do we have to be in bible to have existed in your view?
                        
                        Yes I am aware the bible states the knowledge of the world being round before science confirmed it. I was referring to scientists confirmation. Like Job our people were privy to this knowledge too. I doubt that we were the only sea travellers of the time too.
                        
                        We were not in Europe nor did we originate there according to our ancient history.   You cannot declare we were not around when you do not know our history or progenitor as you put it.

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                           nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Plus, there's no time line in which to gauge it's authenticity.
                           
                           Usher was a fool by the way, not the singer, the catholic decon.

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                              pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              It seems that way yes. So why was Usher the Deacon whom I have never heard of, a fool?

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                                 nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 He devised the 6'000 year old earth theory. He lived sometime during the early 17th century.

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                                    pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    Oh I see. Scientists seem to have invalidated that theory.

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                                       nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       It's not valid. We have little written texts, called the Upanishads. Their way older than 6'000 years old. The writing system in which they were written, has been shown to predate syrian writing systems by millenia.

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                           jah1zposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           "They are not in the Bible as far as (you) are aware" ---- interesting. Could it be that your ethnicity hasn't yet come into existence? Just a question?
                           
                           And like Job, your people was privy to this knowledge ----- quiet interesting. Let's see....the people of Noah's time were mostly experts of astrology, all the way to the Mayans. All indigenous people of planet Earth and you set about a distinction that your "mysterious people" was their among them, advancing civilization.
                           
                           You know, Penny....not even the Cro-Magnum was known for astrology or anything to do with discovering the Earth to be round about.
                           
                           And if your ethnicity did not originate in Europe, where, in the region from Israel to Africa, they came from? Do not claim Asia Manor, the Africans had that populated. Do not claim Mesopotamia or any of the region in the Nile, the Africans had that populated.
                           
                           Do not claim America. Do not claim any of the islands not seen today, for it is are under water now.
                           
                           Your ancient history started thousands of years after Japheth, son of Noah. Japheth was Black though. Your common ancestry to link your ethnicity to the African parents were Albinism, Penny. It is the only link to bring about the Caucasian skin texture.
                           
                           Your ethnicity did not appear as its own distinctive seed. Your ethnicity is not a race as you believe. There is one race, the Black race. You, and everyone else is an ethnicity under the Modern Human race: Black African.
                           
                           Now, if you will....let's hear about your "ancient history" and where they came from?

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                              nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              Let's hear a logical argument from you then.

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                                 jah1zposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 Everything I said can be backed up by the Scientists, Anthropologists or whatever circles of academia you want to throw out here. Just the fact the African Male is the Modern Human, void any scheming to fabricate some concoct story that the Caucasian ethnicity originated on its own. Smh.
                                 
                                 Penny said out of her mouth that her people were not in the Bible. Yet, many of her people (the Caucasians) believe they are God's Chosen Ones. Make me wonder just then who was God talking to in the Bible (of his people) I'd the Caucasian ethnicity was not in the Bible? Hahaha....

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                                    nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    Here's some logic for you...
                                    
                                    http://tinyurl.com/mcmxvc

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                                       nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       P.S.
                                       
                                       Your argument is still falling flat.

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                                       jah1zposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       Caricature literature! You call that a credible source, Nonto?
                                       
                                       (Face-Palmed..Smh)

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                                    pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    Haha what gave you the notion that I am or that my people are Caucasian? You assume too much. Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion? Where did I ever say  our people were the chosen ones? Chosen for what might I ask?

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                                    psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    Penny has told you very clearly and specifically that she is Polynesian (in general) and Maori (specifically).
                                    
                                    If you can't comprehend very clear statements like that, I hold no great hopes for this conversation.
                                    
                                    The Maori do not trace their descent to Europe.

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                                       jah1zposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       The Maori is not a race. They are an ethnicity and under the European/Caucasian family tree. To be ignorant of this fact, does little to contribute to Penny's education of her ethnicity. So, please stop.

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                                          pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                          In your belief perhaps. Our family tree goes straight back to the source. Europe was not mentioned.

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                                             DoubleScorpionposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                             He is seriously arguing with you about your own family history...<shakes head> I really don't understand some people...

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                                                pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                                Haha yes. You and me both.

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                                                   nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                                   He seems to negate his own arguments at every turn.

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                              pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              That might be your reason we are not in the bible. That however is your perception. Do with it what you will. It is contrary to what I do know about my ethnicity.
                              
                              Most if not all, ancient indigenous cultures were experts(in their own way)in the ways of nature which includes a form of astrology.
                              
                              The only distinctions made here are the ones you seem to be implying.
                              
                              The ways of nature are not available to a select few only, as you seem to be implying but all whom existed whether they were indigenous or not. Meaning everyone no matter the race is privy to such information both in the past and now.
                              I speak only of indigenous for the moment because I know a bit more about their customs and traditions to a greater or lesser degree depending on which indigenous culture I might be talking about. In this instance I am talking about my own race as per the ancients stories.
                              
                              You seem to have made race relevant again to the topic of not only this thread but others too and it appears it is the foundation upon which you base many of your beliefs or interpretations upon. Correct me if I am wrong.
                              
                              As I have asked many times in other threads. How is race relevant? I understand you believe there was only ever one race. That is your belief and so be it. What you believe however does not negate the fact that many other cultures have different creation stories. Ours included, and our stories do not include a flood story. Nor does what you believe mean it is true for others.
                              
                              Where we originated from according to 'our' ancient history is not where you claim we are from.
                              
                              If you are interested in the ancients of my race/culture call it whatever you want, and how we came into existence you can Google whatever is available, it may shed some light, or not.

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                                 nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 You can't reason with self perpetuating ignorance it seems.

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                                 jah1zposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 Penny, today my respect for you has grown. With your recent response, I have seen your humility, your subtle submissiveness to see that I have a valid point. Not that I needed to know it, it is facts everything I'm saying and the scientific community backs me up.
                                 
                                 Now, you continue to pester me about "race." It is the very type of attitude shown by Caucasians like yourself and Nonto to somehow, try to denied the Caucasian ethnicity coming from the African parents or being in existence since the creation of the Garden of Eden.
                                 
                                 And I tell you another truth, that country's name (Africa) is not its original name. It is Kemet, not Africa but that's another story.
                                 
                                 Back to race. You should do a simply Google search on the descendants of Ancient Hebrews or God's Chosen Ones and there are all sort of articles by Caucasians with high-level of education claiming the Europeans as the Hebrew Israelites of the Bible. They even think the word "Jews" refer to a Hebrew or God Chosen Ones. Nothing could be further from the truth. They do not know us, and when someone trampled over your history, this should not go silent. The truths must come out!
                                 
                                 There are British Christian Identity groups in Europe teaching these lies all over the internet; naming all the second-tier European ethnicities as God's Chosen Ones and misinterpreting the Bible to place themselves over the real Hebrew Israelites whom are a Black Nation.
                                 
                                 It's offensive for the same reason you feel offended when you claim I don't know your ancient history. However, I know your ancient history. I know where your people came from. I know what country where most of the Albinos were mating other Albinos and the migration trek that took them to Europe. And as I said in another post, it was a lack of Melanin among the Albinos that "forced" them to migrate to Europe. They couldn't take in too much sunlight, in the open sun-lit region of Israel to Africa until their complexion improved as an ethnicity, as the modern-day Caucasian skin texture they have today. Even now, their texture still can't "intake" too much sunlight like the Modern Humans, Black African descendants can.
                                 
                                 And though their skin tone response favorably to the cold, the Black Man can live and function in the same cold region just fine with no affect to their skin. This is what it means to be a more Modern Human....they are the indigenous of Planet Earth. Before the Mayans, they were Black, before the Indians, they were Black. Before Asians, they were Black, before European/Caucasians, they were Black. One race, one family, the African Black race.
                                 
                                 Last thing, the fact you telling me to Google your own existence, how come you cant? I know mine! And I just explained yours too as you seem to really not understand or know where you came from.
                                 
                                 Any thorough research of your ancestry will remind you every step of the way what Jah1z already told you. Enjoy that journey for you should KNOW your history.

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                                    pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    I assure you, nothing you have said has offended me, nor will anything you might have to say in the future offend me. I am not easily offended, so I am not sure where you are perceiving that I am offended by anything you have to say?
                                    
                                    It matters little to me whether you 'think' you know of my Ancients history. What you think you know and what actually occurred in my history are two very different takes.
                                    
                                    What you think you know is subject to whatever inner beliefs you have formed from whatever information you have been able collect. Your truth is your truth. So be it.
                                    
                                    I am wondering though whether or not you have actually read any of my posts? Perhaps you are not clear on some of the points made I don't know? Your response however indicates that either you read them and didn't understand them or disregarded the responses altogether.
                                    
                                    As I said in a previous post. I understand you believe there was only one race. I also understand that you believe Caucasians believe they are the chosen ones. You have insisted I am Caucasian even though I have told you I am not (as if that has anything to do with anything, except what you believe). You insist that our race originated in Europe when I told you we did not. You didn't answer my question about being chosen for what?
                                    
                                    So the fact that you seem to have disregarded anything I had to say means your post was based on your own view of what you hold to be true so there really is no point in discussing any queries you might have thought you had regarding my origins and ancient history.
                                    
                                    Why would I google my own history when I already know it? Our history is thick with metaphors, symbols, and processes that it would take a very long time to understand the intricacies let alone explain it. Which is why I suggested you google.

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                                       nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       Self perpetuating ignorance is hard to reverse. jahz1 is a racist or so it would appear, having said that caucasians are the chosen race. That would entail that all other races are inferior.

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                                          pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                          It would also indicate there is something to be chosen for.

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                                             nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                             agreed.

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                                       jah1zposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       Because of what you said, I will do a post outlining the ENTIRE Caucasian origin lest there be any confusion. I will work an art of beauty; easy to follow with every major group under the Caucasian family tree.
                                       
                                       And for a token, I will map about your ENTIRE ancestry, the Maori/ Polynesian, and show just where they are under the Caucasian/European family tree.
                                       
                                       It will be a work of beauty, pleasant to the eyes, and a "read" to make one wise just like when Eve contemplated eating the forbidden fruit so you know and understand who you are, where you come from. This, I will do in careful precision therefore it will take me a little time to produce.

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                                          nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                          Your burden of proof, is racist.

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                                          pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                          There really is no need for you to go to such elaborate lengths to prove what you believe to be true. It is true for you and that is enough is it not? If not why is it not enough that you believe?
                                          
                                          One would need to believe in the literal interpretation of sin in order to accept what you believe. The literal interpretation and more so your interpretation does not agree with mine. Therefore we simply need to agree to disagree. No harm no foul.

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                                       jah1zposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       Nonto, do you scoop so low to reveal your own flaws? You have been racist since I mentioned I was Black, even telling me to "shut up" after I simply corrected you on the word, " Deist."
                                       
                                       Furthermore, you the first out the gate to attack me in posts or comments, regardless if I speak a thought, a truth or a simple comment. You go as far to attack my grammar in a snide, subtle and racist manner. Did you actually think I didn't notice it?
                                       
                                       Consider how you treated others and you came out with a post pleading for others to accept your racist manner of criticism of others. Your bones are ripe with racism and shine forth brighter than your own appearance. You in no position to level a racial charge for you are one.

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                                       jah1zposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       @Penny, I have no problem to do the post. If you keep denying your history is other than coming from the African descent, I'm willing to put it all out there, not just for you but for anyone that doubt what I same. Truths are truth. Nothing mischievous about it, especially when the general consensus is lead to believe that which is true.
                                       
                                       Look at Nonto' racist ignorance claiming Whites are the chosen ones and everyone else is inferior. Now, he could have been joking but knowing Nonto, by his comments and posts, doubts do arise.
                                       
                                       I will suspend it if you do not care to know but if you do, ask me any time and I'll show the board the origins of the people of Earth. It is TRUTH that matters than anything else. TRUTHS!

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                                          nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                          Are you caucasion?

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                                          pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                          Makes no difference to me as I keep saying what you believe about my history.  Whether I am in denial would be determined only by how credible your sources are and how credible mine are.
                                          
                                          In my opinion and perhaps I am biased, a Genealogical history passed down from generation to generation from day dot is a far more credible source than what can be found in any Western/European historical record. Mainly because we were not colonized until the 1600s thereabouts. When the wars broke out the White Man were never trusted and were never given any access to our origins, customs and what have you till much, much later. A lot of our ways were guarded as some are still now.
                                          
                                          So from the nothingness or Parentless (translated) to the late 1800s when information was reluctantly shared with the White Man, there was that huge gap in their historical records. Gaps that in some cases were filled with assumptions or misleading information. Not forgetting that what was shared was more often times then not tainted by a Christian based perception or influence.
                                          
                                          If what you claim is based solely on your interpretation of the original sin then I doubt your version of our history will match our version.
                                          
                                          With that said, if you wish to demonstrate that you know the only truth and that this truth is 'the truth' of all truths you may do as you wish if you feel it will help your cause.

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                                       jah1zposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       ....I consider myself Black.

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                                          nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                          Then how can you see the caucasion race as superior?

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                                       jah1zposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       Indeed, your selective-reading is what make you stick your own foot in your mouth. The overall point of my argument here is to expose un-truths. Penny actually believe her ancient ethnicity is a distinctive race that came on their own, independent of the African descent. It has corrupted the bible, whitewashed many nation and tongues' history and you calling me a racist for wanting to expose these lies.
                                       
                                       Many of the Caucasian groups think that way as well. Even taught in schools. Do they feel superiority over others, I can assure you they do --- I SHOULD KNOW! And if anyone, outside of them, tell them otherwise, they either have an agenda, racist or trolling. This specifically how you think as well.
                                       
                                       So tell me Nonto, is it so wrong for me to tell the truth when these lies are leading, even those it suppose to benefit, to believe in a lie? And while indoctrinated for so long with this lie, it's inconceivable for them to see it any other way.
                                       
                                       Don't talk down to me, alright. If you disagree, state what you disagree. Don't insult me or anyone else....who you think you are? for I tell you a truth, you certainly don't act in the real world the way you do here. And you certainly wouldn't say the things you say here, in the real world.
                                       
                                       Be real.

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                                          nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                          You were the one that said "the Caucasion race is superior".
                                          
                                          Who's putting their foot in their mouth?

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                                       jah1zposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       @Nonto...you a rabble-rouser, self-centered, egotistical simpleton. Cease from speak to me, dude. Seriously.

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                                          nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                          Fair enough

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            Friendlywordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            IT WAS NOT A BOAT!  NOAH WAS NOT GOING FISHING!

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               nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               You're not helping your argument dude.

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               pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               We weren't just fisherman hehe.

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         Pearldiverposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Hang On.....
         
         But didn't Maui also have a waka (boat) when he had to fish up GodsOwn (NZ) after the flood and let the Moas (large chickens) and Kiwis go?

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            pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Hahaha yes and no flood was mentioned. They came from a mythical land to fish and the north island of NZ was Maui's lucky catch. The waka is the south island of NZ.

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               Pearldiverposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               No-no-no.. Ah! Mythical land?  I'm sure that they came from No-ah's land eh?
               
               Ummm... I was sure that was how the Moas and Kiwis got to GodsOwn after No-ah refused to allow them, Wekas, Pipis, Bill English and the Kangaroos on his waka!
               
               Kia-ora

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                  pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Hehe you could be right. And if Noah's waka looked anything like Maui's it would solve all the mystery about the boat and how the animals fit. Now we've just got to solve the mystery about how it floated! Any ideas haha
                  
                  Kia ora.

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      Friendlywordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I was not a Boat!  It was an Ark.  A boat can't take tidal waves. 
      
      Take a empty container of milk and put it in a tub of water.  Take a pail and keep throwing water on it. It will float until the wax wares off it.  Design and reinforcment was the difference between the Ark and the boats trying to survive the flood.  Goaffer wood and the Ark covered with pitch(tar)was how the Ark floated until the water dried up.  A since it was flat on all sides; it settled back on dry land with tipping over.
      
      Even if you don't believe the story of the flood; you have to admit the science was sound.

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         nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Not really, not if it can't be applied to reason.

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            Friendlywordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            What...
            Maybe the design was so simple and beautiful it just defies whatever "reason" you tried to apply to it.

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            nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Cont.
            
            It's not reasonable to believe a three toed sloth made it across the Atlantic ocean.
            
            Three toed sloths are from South America, by the way.

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               Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               A boat can not take title waves and neither can any 500 ft wooden vessel of any shape - defies the laws of physics. Noah's Ark is a cute story since it's only that, a story and not to be taken literally. Sorry to bust your bubble.

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                  nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Who's bubble?
                  
                  I'm the one trying to discredit the story.

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                     Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     @ nonto21 - Excue me, I meant Friendlyword's bubble about his explanation of an Ark.

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                        nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Thank you for the clarification...

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         pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I don't know. Our humble canoes (ancient) seemed to do ok travelling the rough seas. In saying that I don't know what materials they were constructed with.

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            Friendlywordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Again...I can't speak to anything regarding boats!  I'll leave it to your experience and judgement as to weather a canoe could last through a great storm and flood and hurricane winds and boats and houses and trees and...were we talking about a canoe?

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               nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               No. We're addressing the issue of what sounds crazy and what doesn't.

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                  Friendlywordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Ok I not able to follow the whole thead right now, but it is a great topic of discussion concerning the Bible.  I'll be back!

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                     nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Thank you for visiting my thread. Have a nice evening.

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               pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Haha yes doesn't sound possible. Apparently they travelled by the stars and by reading the tides and the direction of swells together with other little technical details that escape any coherency for a non boatee like me.

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                  nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Good answer.

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                     psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     The Polynesian canoe crossed the Pacific, and it literally cannot be sunk.  I would suggest it is as capable of surviving the flood as any vessel--especially if it held just a few people and not a menagerie.

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                        nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        If Noah and his family were the only one's spared the flood, then why so much ethnic diversity?

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                           pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Not everyone subscribes to Noah and the flood (as it was told) so it would depend on ones subscription as to why there is a debate about ethnicity.

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                              nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              I know about the tower of babel story but, to me, it's equally as crazy.

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                                 pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 Never worked that one out.

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                                    nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    That's their excuse for ethnicity.

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                                       pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       Yes I realize that. That passage if taken literally would imply however that the God is some magical being who had magical powers to change a language. Then magically send them off to the different lands in a blink of an eye. Even if it was a metaphor meaning something other than the literal implications I cannot fathom what they might be.... if it means anything at all.

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                                          nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                          It means, anybody that holds it true, is a racist.

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                                             pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                             It does? How so if it doesn't make sense.

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                        pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Makes more sense with no animals.

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                           nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           +1

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                        Friendlywordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        They have some serious waves and storms on the pacific. So, I think your right. It's just, the Ark was better for the situation of the earth being shaken by God!

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                           nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           But a crazy story, is still a crazy story.
                           
                           Show me some proof.

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      amymarie_5posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I just want to know how he got all those animals on the boat. LOL

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   knolyourselfposted 11 years ago

   Favoritism.

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   Friendlywordposted 11 years ago

   "A boat can not take title waves and neither can any 500 ft wooden vessel of any shape - defies the laws of physics"
   
   I said it! Me...OVER HERE!!!
   
   I don't know about the story part; but the physics are sound and proven right in front of thousands of TV viewers!  I'm referring to an experiment performed in a lab in front of my eyes.
   
   Or is one of the laws of physics "DON'T BELIEVE YOUR LYING EYES"?

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      nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Do you believe everything you see? Do you believe everything you read?
      
      No. So, how is reading the bible any different?

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      Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      @Friendlyword - It's obvious you don't know about the story part because you seem to accept it without question and know next to nothing about physics. What lab experiment was proven in front of thousands on TV?

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         Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I'm not even going to get into the numerous other issues with the flood story. The idea of a global flood and the aftermath for example. Keep in mind the writers of the Noah story, and the author(s) of The Epic of Gilgamesh, from which the Adam and Eve and Noah story were based on, believed the earth was flat and sat in the middle of a great endless sea and was at the center of the universe. But if you or anyone else want to believe these fairy stories as historical fact, go ahead. The rest of us will try to control our laughter.

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            nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Good reply.

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            Friendlywordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Before or after you laugh; do some research and learn the science of the Bible story about the Great Flood.  Everything washed into the black sea. That's a fact.
            
            
            http://www.nationalgeographic.com/ngnews/blacksea.html
            
            http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 … 150931.htm

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               nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Everything in the immediate vicinity of the black sea, you mean?

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                  Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  After reading the two articles I see no mention of a Noah, a global flood (a "flood" is not a "global flood" - even the Missouri ang Yang River floods occasionaly), or a 500+ft ark. There is no science to back up such a story, sorry.

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                     nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Are we on the same side? I totally agree with you, so how are we in opposition?

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                        Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        I didn't know we were in opposition. I was referring to Friendlyword again.

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                  Friendlywordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  I love this duel conversation going on here!
                  Relating to the actual subject...
                  I think most of the debris from the flood ended up in the Black sea.  There are large areas of flat bedrock in New York State with deep grooves in them, all pointing south.  It is "assumed" that these flat rocks were actually stone mountains that were shaved off by a vary hard and massive force.  Like maybe massive plates of glaciers sliding down the earth and flattening anything in their path on the way to the equater(most likely forming our gulf just like a snowballs makes a groove and a puddle)where they melted.  Wouldn't something that caused large pieces of the earth to move along the surface of the earth cause something like massive amounts of friction and energy and pressure that would cause alot of storms and alot of rain and vary large tidal waves that  wash away land and stuctures that had to end up somewhere?
                  
                  Anyway:while you put that all together in your head; the video I suggested did pose these question, show this evidence, and perform the experiments about how the Ark could have survived that disaster.  If it happened.

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         Friendlywordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         "The History Channel : Biblical Disasters Including Noah's Flood , Biography Channel Noah and the Ark : All About Noah 2 Pack" AMAZON
         
         
         Get back to me when you see physics in action with your own eyes!

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            nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            The history channel?
            
            That's it?
            
            The channel that aires ancient aliens?
            
            That's your source?
            
            Still not helping your argument dude.

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               Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               When you (Friendlyword) watched the two programs on the History and Biography Channel, you probably forgot the words "story" and/or "myth". The topic was "Biblical Disasters" not historically true disasters.

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                  nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Good reply.

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   wildernessposted 11 years ago

   Because Noah was the only one smart enough to carry oxygen tanks with him.
   
   Don't forget, the Himalayas were populated then and God murdered those people with His flood; if that is true we might as well accept that He also covered the entire earth, including Mt. Everest at 29,000 feet.  At that elevation oxygen is needed for survival (along with lots of heat) but no one then knew that and thus did not carry any on their boats.
   
   (That Noah didn't know what oxygen was, couldn't make it OR the tanks to carry it is immaterial.  God provided it all).

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   Friendlywordposted 11 years ago

   Oh God! we've been invaded by the blues brothers!  It's hard to tell you apart.  Don't at least one of you want to become a real guy? I like one of you and the other one is a creepy stalker try to get people banned

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      nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      And what lead you to such a base opinion?
      
      The fact that I prefer to maintain a modicum of annonimity?
      
      I like you, not for your opinions and/or theism, just because you're person.
      
      And not because I'm trying to "stalk" you as you say.

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         Friendlywordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Okay...You are definitely the one I like!  I really got sucked into your other forum.  I'm really impressed at the way you conducted your experiment in manipulation of emotional control.  Take a bow.

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   SpanStarposted 11 years ago

   Those who are only interested in arguing about the Bible do not be surprised if I do not respond to your comments for I have been down this road numerous times with others who think exactly like you.
   
   This message is for those who are considering a Christian way of life. The assertions that God cannot exist because God cannot be proven or be scientific is the limitations of the human mind. For those who accept God on faith which means nonbelievers need not apply God rejects our flimsy little scientific perspective. If we are to accept the existence of God consider biblical history as to how great God truly is. God divided the waters so that the slaves following Moses could pass, Jesus himself walked on the water and history has not recorded anyone else having done the same-(yes people talk about the guy who got out of the boat but it is my firm belief he was only capable of doing that because Jesus held him up), Jesus raised Lazarus back to life. A question was asked in one of these forums why was Noah's boat the only boat that floated-Please understand this when it comes to God we can take our funky little science and throw it away because a little things like physical scienceis not going to prevent God from achieving its objective. Mankind is bound by physical laws not God.

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      nonto21posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The God that sanctioned murder, rape and torture in the old testament?
      
      The God that Jesus vehemately supported, even though God is morally bankrupt?
      
      The supposed God that was eternally unchanging, yet changed his mind?
      
      The God that sanctioned the bloody slaughter of every man in a villiage and then said it was ok to take their virgins (against their will)?
      
      The same God that had no idea about cell phones and 3 toed sloths?
      
      The same God that still let's evil, disgusting people into heaven, while punishing the just?
      
      I hope you understand Why I don't believe in your evil God.

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         Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Too bad Gallop Polls weren't invented yet. God would be suffering from some dismal approval ratings.

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         Friendlywordposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         "I hope you understand Why I don't believe in your evil God"
         
         I understand why you are so mad at your God.  You want salvation you know you don't deserve and you're trying to do a end run around your fear with hate.
         C'mon Man!  God is just a guy! Give him a break.

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      Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      "We can take our funky little science and throw it away because a little things like physical sciences not going to prevent God from achieving its objective." In the Old Testament, God was slaughtering people right and left. He seemed to mellow out in the New Testament. I guess being a father has that effect on people. LOL For those who do not believe in science, or physical laws, need to stop taking any medications for any reason and stop using any form of convenience (i.e. automobiles, computers, cell phones, TVs, CD players, etc, etc,). Move out of your house, which has science all over it (everything from the insulation to the paint), and move to some cave in the middle of some jungle. There they can be one on one with your man made god. Oh yeah, lose the matches and lighter.

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   SpanStarposted 11 years ago

   Well Paul,
   
   where in the old or New Testament did you actually read where God was on the ground killing these people you claimed was killing?
   
   I get this idea from people like you that you're so much smarter than God if that were true why then were you people doing the killing?
   
   If someone is telling you to do something wrong and you do it-can anyone say Charles Manson!

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      Randy Godwinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Of course he didn't do it personally.  He used people like you who were gullible enough to believe he wanted such destruction.  But there really wasn't a "He" either, just superstitious judgmental people who think "they" know what is right for everyone else.
      
                               

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         Castlepalomaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Killing 27 million people on earth at the time of Noah spiritual Journey was the right thing to do. Killing most of the dinosaurs was a great way to hide their success stories.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           God you are the beast , I mean... you are the best

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            pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            There were 27 million people at the time of the flood?

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         SpanStarposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Randy,
         
         You of all people talking about judging people is more than a laugh since you spend the majority of your time telling other people about a religion you know nothing about.
         
         Constantly telling people what is and what is not without the capacity to prove one single thing you have to say.
         
         If it wasn't so ridiculous it would be laughable to say while God made people do this and made people do that  AND by the way there is no God how distorted is that point of view?
         
         I really hope people on taking you seriously.

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            Castlepalomaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            penny
            Yes, 27 million at the time, and all together there has been 100 billion people who ever live and dead on earth, I Wonder where the hell did most of them go
            
            Span
            
            LOL LOL we are judgmental and the Ark was not so  ridiculous lo lo and and...hope people are not taking us seriously lo lo ho ho and God would not distort things, lo lool lo ha ha   
            
            We do not have capacity to prove one single thing is real about Noah's Ark LOLL HAH HA
            
            Star you crack me up

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               SpanStarposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Castlepaloma,
               
               There are times for whatever reason I believe there is a true sense rational thinking in you. It appears to me you choose to remain in the background with regards to your sincere comments.
               
               You've chosen to be on the negative side of the issues which you are free to do so if however you have contributions that could possibly impact another person's life positively then I believe it is a bad your approach to life will have been wasted with respect to perhaps having made a real difference.

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               pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               We first might need to figure out how they got here before we can figure out where they went to if at all they went anywhere. Which as we know is an ongoing debate.

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                  Castlepalomaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Actually Span
                  
                  I think am a strongly positive and optimistic person
                  By taking very negative inventive concept like of Noah Ark where God kills 99.9999% of the people on earth along with them going to hell. Then with my imagination sling shot these kinds of negative questions out into the Stars and Cosmo. Then I wait for for an answer from some form of higher energy that give my a silly answer in reply. Why ask a silly question you get  will get  silly answer
                  
                  If Noah Ark was a true story , then God has very little respect for human beings and nature and in return want us to fear and worship him. In my books you must give respect to get respect then you can go beyond with love

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   SpanStarposted 11 years ago

   Castlepaloma,
   
   Unfortunately we are not on equal level with God. The fact remains we did not create ourselves as human beings, we did not create the Earth, we did not create the universe, we do not create the rains, we did not create the Sun or the moon nor any of the animals we kill and eat.

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      needmoretimeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      A story is as good as it's writer. In this case, the writer was a few hundred years off and hence, could not come up with a likely account. Probably a story passed down in the familly. It would definitely explain alot of the wierd parts.

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         SpanStarposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         The bible has been under human microscopes for more then a very long time and still the So-Called-Story goes on.

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            Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Yeah, power and wealth can do a lot of damage.

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            Castlepalomaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Too many Christian are too lost in space,  to really look under a microscope.
            
            Science is not superhuman like, or super duper-man  like

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            pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Shows how good the writers were.

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               Castlepalomaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               As good as Hollywood writers are today

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