Agree entirely with Lifebydesign.
Things are more complicated than meet the eye, but agree with you, too, Misha! That's why I did not want him banned from Hubpages.
LOL Louise, you should take a look at his early threads - he was a total troll. Only Lita kept talking to him - and this is in that sense that I meant he is her creation
Let's just say I saw a couple things, lol! But I'm sure he is entirely (well, almost) his own creation...
Total agreement all the time would be 'utopia' and I'd probably get bored, .
Hi Lita, there is something about him that makes you engage rather um, passionately with him. lol. Boring you guys sure aren't. :-)
Hey Misha, yeh I read thru them. I don't get the troll bit although he makes a strong arguement. But enough about him as you say. :-)
I'm under the impression that Lita's actually attracted to more mature men! :-)
I was sorta thinking Lita and Nick had a romantic connection. Like opposites attract! lol
lol and neither wish to comment. hmm....I wonder why?
Well, nicky is a well-known troll and I have even had people sending me photos of what he really looks like. Not sure why, I gave up responding to his baits after the first couple proved to be just that.
He sure hooked lita though
A wonderful fairytale - "The Liberal Beauty and the Neo-Con Beast"
I hope you all realise that we are dead once Lita reads this - I am going to blame Sandra for everything.
I figure we can blame it on Nick, since she's already willing to kill him.
Kill him nothing, she loooooovvvveeeesssss hhiiimmmmm, muah, muah, muah, smootchie, smootchie.
"And Man knows it! Knows, moreover, that the Woman that God gave him
Must command but may not govern—shall enthral but not enslave him.
And She knows, because She warns him, and Her instincts never fail,
That the Female of Her Species is more deadly than the Male. "
- Runyard Kipling
me!!! Mr. Deed's started it. lol.
But I would like to please the 5th if Lita reads this.
oh yes, Nick is off taking away womens rights and Lita is behind him cutting of his....
I thought along different lines though
And yes Sufi, we are risking our lives here - but wasn't it you who started all this mess?
You can't prove anything - circumstantial evidence.......
Can I plea bargain?
I just want to remain anatomically intact.
If it is any consolation - you only need one testicle. Just look at Lance Armstrong
That may be the plea bargain I enter - only one.
that is torture, making a man chose between his right and his left!
For some reason, I am sitting with my legs crossed.
Me thinks you are very attached to your jewels as they seem to be becoming a commodity on hp forums. lol.
Being attached is a good thing ... it's the de-taching that's bad!
They have been a great comfort to me over the years. Perhaps I could auction them on EBay, afterwards.
You might make more money if you sold them on Ebay completly attached!
Tried that, but the buyer filed a 'received poor quality goods' complaint.
How very sorry I am to hear that. Maybe this time around you could label your goods, "sold as is, no refunds or exchanges".
I wouldn't have minded, but it was my missus.
She complained that the Prime English Tally Whacker she bought, in good faith, was small and underpowered.
should have sold her a bonus gift; extra virgin olive oil shoulda done the trick.
Oh God! I should stop before I get in trouble. ROTFLMAO!
We had better tidy up this thread before the lovebirds get here.....
So, Sandra and Misha, do you think that taxing corporations is a BAD thing?
They will never notice
Good plan! Cover our tracks....
Yes I believe that taxing corporations is a bad thing. I hate taxes altogether so...
Taxes......there should be a law against them. Free Market rules and all that stuff.
Damn, I forgot to be a socialist. Distracted by extra-virgin olive oil.
Taxes - Tax 'em all, those rich capitalist pig-dogs.
Taxes are kind of like Mardi-Gras .. you dress up in costumes with feathers and throw stuff (like tea) off of boats.
Who the hell drinks tea except socialist scum?
Un-American that is.
Give me a good cup of coffee any day....... Preferably Italian, but French will do. Americans have no clue about making coffee.
Once Starbucks achieves its goal of taking over every single retail outlet in the world, we will have no choice.
yeah I am stuck with Foldgers but every so often I get to taste an exquisite cup of joe and savor the hell out of it.
But I do like tea too, black chi but I suppose the French enjoy early grey or something like that.
No. The French have no clue about tea or beer. These are drinks that "foreigners" might drink.
As for Greek coffee.....
what do they drink then? laggers and pass them off as beer or beer and pass it off as laggers?
A French licorice-flavored liqueur, usually drunk as an apéritif
(I had to look it up myself LOL)
like Yeggar? I am ready to puke just thinking about it. I have a very stron aversion to anything black licorice even targon.
Ouzo is better. Raki, is the Turkish version.
Ah, raki I know, it is not bad - but most of the time red wine beats everything for me
We have Raki, too, although it is called tsipourou here.
In the autumn, I will be distilling the leftovers from the winemaking, and making my own.
Never tried. Turkish is good though. As well as Greek salad
mmmm, love mediteranian dishes. Never had greek coffee either unless it is called Foldgers or Maxwell house. I had Star Trek coffee once, it really tasted out of this world.
Nice stuff, but not a patch on the French or Italian coffee. Greek beer is OK, but most places only serve stinking Amstel and piss-water Heineken.
The wine is excellent, though, and the Ouzo even better.
gross and gross, Heineken shouldn't even be called beer, maybe suddsy piss in a bottle.
I like fat tire, call me un american but it taste good. I actually like blue moon too. hmmm...
Wine, goes right to my head so I stay away but never had Ouzo, do like Saki though.
Dang, Mark, first they tell me I have to quite playing Dungeons and Dragons to be a Christian, and NOW I find out I have to quit drinking tea to be a capitalist.
No, I have seen some things that I really wish some certain friend of mine would neglect to share with me as he often thinks it is funny when I almost gag and yell turn that " " off!
not all men are as attached to their pieces. now that is scary!
Are you really talking about a prosthetic ... whateiver?
Oh dear Lord I wish I were....I wish I were. Um...
I guess we need enough posts to get to the next page, for efficient covering up
So yes, I am with Sandy on this, taxes in any form do not get my vote, and this one is no exception
OK, I got a way to get this back on track, speaking of wine, bear etc ... ... I'm going to blatently cut and paste from wikipedia ...
The Whiskey Rebellion, less commonly known as the Whiskey Insurrection, was a popular uprising that had its beginnings in 1791 and culminated in an insurrection in 1794 in the locality of Washington, Pennsylvania, in the Monongahela Valley. The rebellion was the result of tax imposed on whiskey. The rebellion occurred shortly after the Articles of Confederation had been replaced by a stronger federal government under the American Constitution in 1789.
This marked the first time under the new United States Constitution that the federal government used military force to exert authority over the nation's citizens. It was also one of only two times that a sitting President personally commanded the military in the field; the other was after President James Madison fled the British occupation of Washington, D.C. during the War of 1812.
The military suppression of the Whiskey Rebellion set a precedent that U.S. citizens who wished to change the law had to do so peacefully through constitutional means; otherwise, the government would meet any threats to disturb the status quo with force.
The suppression of the Whiskey Rebellion also had the unintended consequences of encouraging small whiskey producers in Kentucky and Tennessee, which remained outside the sphere of Federal control for many more years. In these frontier areas, they also found good corn-growing country as well as limestone-filtered water and therefore began making whiskey from corn; this corn whiskey developed into Bourbon.
So with all the blaming of our immediately previous George W. The REAL culprit on taxes is the FIRST George W ...
Who just happened to own his own distillery ...
Haven't been able to even stand the smell of whisky since a childhood experiment with scotch and aspirin.
Couldn't keep anything down for ten days......
I have the same problem with vodka - I thought that I was hard and could drink a whole bottle. Never again.
wow and I happen to love whiskey and or bourbon but can't stand gagermeister or tequilla for the same reasons though I did happen to drink a bottle of vodka once but never again!
Oh. My. God. You guys! Ya didn't cover it up well enough...
It seems I have acquired a reputation at Hubpages, and now I am soooo, sooo ashamed. (Why is it ALWAYS the woman??) And I must say, you all make a lovely 4 or 5-some yourselves with your very OVERT banter.
And for the record, Ralph has it right, lol--I prefer my men real & a little more on the mature and liberal side.
Understand, also, Mr. Nick has a very nice girlfriend, even if he does come off as a troll!
sure, you are now my favorite liberal! Misha is my favorite anarchist and saint, Mark is my favorite atheist, BDaz is my favorite Jesus message teacher preacher, Sufi is my favorite Greek-ian, TK is my favorite pessismist, Knowyourself is my favorite one liner, Eng M is my favorite muslim, Mo is my favorite poet, LG is my favorite rebell, Mike is my favorite catholic, SJ is my favorite astro-spiritual speaker, RFox is my favorite buddhist but she isn't around much anymore, RockinJoe is my favorite comedian and GmaJohnson is just sweet as pie love her hugs!...
and all because they have certain things in common, they are all good people.
Awww ... Sandy ... Shucks! Thanks! [Big Hug]
Sandra you're pretty good people yourself, and apparently you're also a Goddess! :-)
Yah, OK, Sandra, lol...
But you gotta keep order among these guys, you know.. If me or Pgrundy or MM or Kerryg are not around.....
You KNOW how they are,
LOL http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/3289 for those who were not around at ancient times. Enjoy
oh yes, the four fold gods! I nearly forgot, where is Jenny anyways?
Ha, Misha! And don't think I don't know how YOU are either. Shame, .
She doesn't come down too often nowadays, guess she is too busy over there on Olympus
That's OK....! Just...you and the ladies, Misha. I've noticed...
I can't believe I spent an hour catching up on this thread. LOL.
That is why I like this place.
And yet you still reply....Those were NOT generalities spoken to Pam, Nick? "I want to be obscenely rich..." And that she sees from a poverty perspective? Sounds not like a generality, but like empty tin. Know her? Read her work? Or is that just a lot of hot air for you to target someone to keep your paradigm of 'conservative' going?
I think understanding emotion, etc., may just be needed skills in the courtroom and if you don't understand that, you may be at a loss. Hmmm, think Obama understood that.
You insult everybody who disagrees with you..it has little to do with real ideas or relative theory. Ya wanna stop sometime? And no, you are not that fascinating--intelligent, in a kind of brittle way, but hardly what I'd call fascinating. I did use the term annoying, I believe.
And it does not seem that the popular mood here on hubpages or within the country in general is exactly proving your point that 'conservativism' will prevail... I do not and will not output fluency on any ideas or issues until I feel like it and I have the time. I have books to write and my own fortune to worry about, ie. But of course, that is a knowledge element--people as people instead of symbols for your railing--that you refuse.
And yet you have the time to write pages lambasting me. That's "brittle" alibi if I ever saw one....All rhetoric and fluff. Hey you should write an op-ed for the NY Times! I bet what's-his-name will link you on the forum and save you the trouble of responding to time. lol
Making a Beer run Misha want me to pick some up for ya?
No, that's you. I'll bet the ladies--and who knows, guys--of the upper east side get a work out whenever you're around. Wig and all. LOL
Sorry! You shouldn't even try within this realm,
I'm a little frightened how you have the details of my hubs and my life committed to memory. Yet a basic argument in favor of the Right to an Abortion you cannot give unless somehow it involves attacking me. Apparently, this is the only "realm" you function in...You're a hub stalker...creepy, creepy....
Aww...you two are SO Sweet!
(Sorry couldn't help it!)
Cannot let you have the last word, you know...
When I write and think, I obliterate the competition, Nicky. Only way to do it. Especially on things like the freedom of choice--which incidentally, was a debate I considered at a high school level that I was drawn into by a little cyber troll in a wig, lol.
And doubt I've ever seen you on the upper east side--that was a line I remembered and stole from hubpages own MM.
And let us not utter a word about hub creeps....! Now go play lawyer for the day...
You're losing your touch. That wasn't really repulsive enough...
I'm sure you know (but then again given the way you think, maybe you don't) that there is stuff you can write pretty easily--like ad copy and lol, lambastic responses to you--and there is real stuff. Like NYC Op Ed pieces that win Nobel prizes, books, poetry, or even grant proposal legalese crap (even if that is one dimensional & brittle verbally)
You're just jealous of others' skills.
By the way, your last sentence makes no apparent sense. Essay content C-, mechanics, C.
Is there anyone here who can, with specificity, present a summary of the contents of Obama's Stimulus Bill?
how bout give me a link where I can see for myself Nancy saying that she wants to kill babies to save money, then I will believe you.
It is all over the internet. If you need help finding it with google, I'm sure Mr. Knowles can assist you.
BTW As of this morning, that part of the bill, as well as the re-sodding of the capitol mall has been dropped.
Here's a link like the one sandy asks for:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.vi … geId=87268
BTW Obama was against it.
Well I looked at it, I read it, I watched it but I didn't hear anything about killing babies or abortion.
She talked about spending tarp money on contraceptives to reduce the cost of unexpected expenses such as babies.
Maybe there is something else I missed but doesn't look like she said any such thing about killing babies to save money.
Also, Obama is pro-choice but against funding for planned parenthood because it is not a political issue, it private and personal.
And Obama does make more sense, that our tax money shouldn't be going to pay for abortions or contreceptives and I see where he is going with it.
He saying that funding could go to medicade and such for family planning, to make more jobs and they can in turn fund whomever they want like planned parenthood, but it is not a political issue.
I totally agree.
Oh, did ya'll hear the latest!
Just in yesterday. Florida gets smacked by a freak hurricane, tears their land up!
Guess what...sorry I chuckle as I write because it is just too much.
No more insurance. There primary insurance broker went belly up and can't pay, so those people are screwed. What is worse is that they are still paying for it and their insurers are going to sell their customers to other insurance people....
Are you talking about this story?
http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/b … 971104.ece
Insurance is kind of unethical, just plainly. House insurance, ie, is sometimes just a scam--they don't like to pay anything. Ie--and this really happened--after a small house fire, the insurance company my sister had was GOING TO SUE her as they tried to implicate her in the scenario of how it was set.
Why raising taxes on corporations is BAD
How would we know, we never do it?
Years ago, the Congress through revisions to the tax code, eliminated most of the deductions available to the people. They lowered the income tax rate the year they removed these deductions and then raised the rates the next year. It was a Congressional magic trick, one year you have deductions then next year you don't.
The point here is that they didn't do this trick with corporations. Executives at many corporations live the large life spending money behind corporate tax deductions. They have corporate jets, yachts, limousines, expensively decorated offices, company cars, golf club memberships, expense accounts for what many would consider personal use, and many other corporate deductions. These are the remnants of the good old boys way of doing business but times have changed and they should eliminate that form of business.
The cost of these deductions are passed on to the consumers in higher prices. In addition, because of the reduction in taxes paid by the corporations the government feels compelled to tax the people for the difference.
I see that most of you think raising corporate taxes is bad, but what do you think about reforming the existing taxes with eliminating many of the loophole deductions? I can hear the knee jerk retort now, that will stifle business and corporations will lose revenue. I call this good business and it rewards those corporations that have a superior product that does what it is advertised to do. Marketeers sell the sizzle and not the steak, but a steak that is good tasting and affordable sell itself. My point is that market techniques push the envelope to sell poor products. They are the biggest users of loophole deductions.
Cleanup corporate business practices and you will get an all around benefit including more tax revenue and better products at a lower price.
A better solution to the tax issue is to simplify the tax code to eliminate loopholes used only by the rich. Replacing income tax with sales tax would reduce the overhead of the government to oversee the complex ever changing tax code. The IRS could be reduced by using the sales tax mechanism found in most states to simply collect an additional tax on sales.
Sales tax is fair as long as necessary basic products are exempt to not penalize the poor. A person buying a $300,000 car would pay the same percentage as a person buying a $20,000 car. Sales tax is paid daily as it is received and that is a better system than waiting for tax dates. I feel another retort coming, there will be evasive methods used to buy high ticket items out of the country. This already exists and it is the burden of the government to close those loopholes.
Income taxes are a mechanism to allow the government to invade your privacy without due process. You are forced under penalty of perjury to be a witness against yourself by being forced to include any illegal activity that generated revenue. If you kill someone you have the right of the 5th Amendment's protection against self incrimination but not in hiding money. Al Capone got convicted of tax evasion not for being a mobster or for his criminal activity.
Isn't there a connection between the rich and corporations in paying little or no taxes?
On the contrary, we have the highest corporate taxes in the world. Part of the reason why there is such an exodus of manfuacturing from the US is because of the exorbitant corporate tax rate.
Cite the specific years, the specific law (please provide the USC title and section) and the specific deductions you are referring to. I think you are referring to a Clinton era "tax cut."
Why do you care how other people spend money? Are you jealous? Don't you know that this sort of consumption STIMULATES the economy. Who do you think makes these jets, yachts, limos, office furniture, cars, golf clubs and balls and golf courses? Who do you think benefits from expeditures from expense accounts? Do you know why restaurants and department stores are going out of business in NYC? It doesn't take a genius to connect the dots. Why does your reasoning stop short of the "large life" and not consider where this money flows? Your statements only demonstrate your economic ignorance and class envy.
Most people don't even PAY income taxes in the United States. And receive all of their withholding back in a tax refunds!! Most of the income taxes in this nation are shouldered by the top earners and redistributed to the rest of the nation. Homework assignment: Find on the web what tax bracket produces the highest percentage of income tax receipts. What tax bracket produces the lowest.
Forget about loopholes, I think there should be no corporate tax AT ALL.
This is not a knee jerk retort--it's elementary economics. JOBS ARE LOST WHEN CORPORATION LOSE REVENUE.
Cleanup corporate business practices and you will get an all around benefit including more tax revenue and better products at a lower price.
Cleanup gov't and elimintate bureaucracies and maybe we won't need to tax people so much. It's infuriating to hear how gov't waste money at every level. It costs the state of New Jersey 10 times more to build a mile of road than it would cost a private company. This is notorious example which exemplifies the wide-spread inefficiencies of gov't.[b]
[b] The "rich" are the only who pay taxes. Loopholes are a mute point if you don't pay anything to begin with.
I agree, there should be no income tax whatsoever and I think a sales tax would be more fair. You will see this was discussed at length earlier in the thread.
No. There is a connection between irresponsible spending by gov't bureaucracies and high, punishing taxes.
i am agree with you...government is the main player in all this things so it is good if we have democracy then choose the right person..
As you like it! I'm sure even your tax ideas would be palatable.
As near as I can tell, corporations do not pay taxes anywise.
Meaning that whatever taxes are levied upon corporations are taken out of the little guys pocket. Why would they take taxes out of their own pockets when they could instead simply take them from the potential wages of those that work for them?
No matter what road you follow, the way our taxes are being enforced is designed to eliminate the middle class and keep everyone but the rich in a state of poverty.
The taxes a corporation does not pass on to its "employees" are passed on to the public in the form of higher costs. No matter what, it is the average man or woman who pays for everything.
Any corporation that actually just ate the taxes, kept their prices the same, and raised its employees wages to keep up with the government inflating the currency ( inflation ) would be closing its doors quite quickly.
We could eliminate the income tax tomorrow by reducing the government to the size it was only twenty years ago.
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