IBM and other tech. Companies against Trump Administration policies

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   jackclee lmposted 8 years ago

   What do you think of the current business climate?
   I think this is unprecedented. When ever did a bunch of companies openly disagreed with our President on his foreign policy? Like google, facebook, amazon, Starbucks...
   Do you think this is wise on their part?
   Will this be benficial or harm to their business and shareholders?
   Why are they doing this?
   When did companies become so political?
   It is interesting times for our country...

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      promisemposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Opponents of Trump are stacking up fast.

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         Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

         "Opponents of Trump are stacking up fast"
         
         In addition to coming from every imaginable direction....

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            jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Yes I know. I am reminded of the quote, "if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem." These international companies need to know their first responsibility is to their stockholders and to America.

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               Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Jack, my comments goes well beyond the realm of international business matters.

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                  jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Credence, I realize that. However, my response is also applied to any group that is against Trump. We had 8 years of Obama and his progressive, global agenda... it made the world less safe... The people voted and they want a change. You might not like the changes but that is how our system works. Those who choose to oppose him, within their rights, must know they are on the short end of the stick. If Trump succeeds even in part, the others will have egg on their faces and eat humble pie. That is all I am saying. It has only been 3 weeks. Let the man do what he set out to do. If it doesn't work, he will be voted out in 4 years...

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                     Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     But we can render him inert within 2 years. He continues to alarm moderates and progressives with extreme reactionary politics, we push hard during the midterms in 2018. Trump and his scurvy crew will soon recognize that there is no rest for the wicked......
                     
                     The statement about security is more rightwing theatre that you can never support objectively. With no cooperation from the Democrats, which is what the GOP deserves, we will slow his juggernaut to a mere crawl.
                     
                     Like Rush Limbaugh said of Obama administration 8 years ago, I do not want Trump to succeed in promoting a more ugly America than before he took the reins. The world will not turn the pressure off.
                     
                     His window of opportunity to have me believe otherwise is becoming more narrow by the day.

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                        jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        Good we agree. You do your best to stop Trump's policies you disagree with, just as the TEA party stopped Obama and his agenda. Let the political process work. In two years and four years, th elections will determine who is right. Your side need to learn from the TEA party and use grass root organization to win local elections and put up new candidates that support your views. The DNC is not on your side. They continue to push old established insiders that are out of touch and out of power and out of new ideas. How can you continue to vote for a party that has done little to advance your people? It is a mystery to me.

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                           Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                           Jack, I hear you. Compared to masses of protests on the horizon representing virtually every endeavor a man or woman can put a hand to, the Tea Party will be mere a Sunday picnic in comparison.
                           
                           I much as I detest Trump, I agree to work within our legal system to remove the orange tumor from the body politic. The left believes in the power of persuasion rather than coercion. Plenty of peaceful protests is the best persuasion there is.
                           
                           I am still sore with Hillary for taking our party down the wrong road, the Blond Ambition tour failed, and because of avoidable misconception and errors on her part, she left me to suffer Trump as punishment.
                           I want the LEFT based populism of Bernie Sanders. Candidates such as he is what I am seeking.
                           
                           
                           Jack, the only thing worse than a party that has done little to advance our people is one that has done NOTHING at all. GOP is the case in point.

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                              jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                              That is totally false. I will point to two example.
                              1. President Reagan in the 1980, policy of lower taxes and jobs created an economic boom that benefitted all people, rising tide raises all boats...
                              2. Mayor Giuliani in the 1990s, changed NYC for the better, his tough stanc against crime has save more black lives than any Democrat speeches... you can look it up with google.
                              He took over from a black mayor Dinkins who had given up on NYC... he was wrong and the City benefited. Time Square was cleaned up and more tourists came back to NY and the housing value increased, again benefitted all city residents including blacks.
                              
                              So your assertion that the GOP has not helped blacks is wrong. You are just blinded by your ideology.
                              Keep dreaming, perhaps, one of these days, you party will gain power again like the last 8 years and see how your people have benefited? Oh no, what benefit? highest black youth unemployment under Obama, and highest crime shoots in Chocago, another city under Democratic control for the last 50 years...

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                                 Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                 You know, contrary to popular belief, WE are all not stupid. We certainly are aware who has been in support of our community relative those who have not been supportive. You can always present an isolated example or two to prop up the Right and its agenda, but it has about the same real significance as the Trump Black Roundtable earlier this month, NADA. It is the height of arrogance for the Right to think that 85-90% support Democrats receive from the Black community is because we are ALL being misled and that THEY know more about our concerns and solutions than we do? Now, thats a red herring.....

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                                    jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                    So put your money where your mouth is. Show me where Democrats have done to improve your lot?
                                    What policies in specific, pushed by Democratic leaders have helped the blacks in particular? They have helped illegal hispanics, LGBT community and the feminist movement. I see very little help for blacks especially in the inner cities. In fact, I will go even further. They have hurt the black community by insisting on public education schools and avoiding charter schools or vouchers... when these schools have been failing for generations and not for the lack of funding...

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                           colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                           That is right on. I was surprised when I heard Obama says as much. I normally don't listen to him, but for some odd reason was led to listen to a video where he was saying the same thing in his own way.  Something the party needs a grassroots base. There are some noble Democrats out there and those are the ones they need to get behind...before they all leave.

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   colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

   I'll give you my notes on the biggest battle yet to come.
   
   TRUMP WILL STOP H1-B VISA ABUSE BY MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS
   Foreign companies upset with Trump's firm stance
   *  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbjEM2WYJ2c
   Multinational corporations are inciting protests & riots over immigration policies that are no different from policies enacted by Obama, Clinton, Biden, Jerry Brown & Jimmy Carter.
   
   What the corporations are really unhappy with is the other shoe that’s about to drop — ending the abuse of the H1-B Visa program.
   A few corporations, mostly foreign, have been gaming the system to replace American workers with foreign workers at lower wages.
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   Trump travel ban stirs faint corporate outcry beyond Silicon Valley
   *  http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t … SKBN15E0CJ
   
   While the leaders of Apple Inc APPL.O, Google (GOOGL.O) and Facebook Inc (FB.O) emailed their staff to denounce the suspension of the U.S. refugee program...
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   Trump's next immigration move to hit closer to home for Tech  -  Bloomberg
   *  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles … e-for-tech
   
   President Donald Trump’s clash with Silicon Valley over immigration is about to become even more contentious.
   
   Trump’s next steps could strike even closer to home: His administration has drafted an executive order aimed at overhauling the work-visa programs technology companies depend on to hire tens of thousands of employees each year.
   
   If implemented, the reforms could shift the way American companies like Microsoft Corp., Amazon.com Inc. and Apple Inc. recruit talent and force wholesale changes at Indian companies such as Infosys Ltd. and Wipro Ltd. Businesses would have to try to hire American first and if they recruit foreign workers, priority would be given to the most highly paid.
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   Now Outsourcing Companies are Gaming the Visa Systems - NYT, Nov. 2015
   *  https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 … .html?_r=0
   
   H-1B visas are designed to bring foreign professionals with college degrees and specialized skills to fill jobs when qualified Americans cannot be found. But in recent years, global outsourcing companies have dominated the program, winning tens of thousands of visas and squeezing out many American companies, including smaller start-ups.
   
   13 outsourcing companies took nearly
   one-third of all H-1B visas in 2014.
   
   Congress set a limit of 85,000 visas annually, and more than 10,000 companies applied in 2014. But just 20 companies received more than 32,000 visas, according to Ronil Hira, a professor at Howard University who studies visa programs and analyzed federal H-1B data. The top 20 included several large outsourcing firms that provided temporary workers for businesses like Disney and Toys “R” Us.
   
   United States Citizenship and Immigration Services approves the visas on a first-come-first-served basis, beginning each year on April 1. Federal officials allow only one application for each foreign worker, but companies can submit an unlimited number of applications for their employees, so global outsourcing giants can, and do, submit many requests.
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   The largest companies have been dealing with a corrupt government in DC, and law makers.  They aim to cut of American jobs that for example would pay $80,000 a year.  They would rather hire foreign workers and pay them $60,000 a year or less...that can go unreported by law under the H-1B VISA.

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      jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Very good point. These companies have been out sourcing jobs as a matter of policy to boost their bottom line, at the expense of the American workers. It is time this trend stop. America first applies to all jobs. These tech. Companies are hurting their own future by going against the wishes of the American people. Election have consequences...in politics and on wall street and main street...

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         jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Here is link to IBM employee petition site -
         https://www.coworker.org/petitions/ibme … ibm-values

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            colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Trump and his family said publicly in an interview that it doesn't matter if they lose wealth in this fight.  What matters is fighting and winning, because they love America. 
            
            Big Pharma is going to be another battle I believe.

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               jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               You may be right. However, these corp. should be very careful. If they go against Trump, they may be on the wrong side of history. Everyone loves a winner. When he starts to win, all the others will fall in place.

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                  jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Here is new poll numbers -
                  http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/07/new-p … z4Y43QxqRG

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