I unpublished and deleted a hub and got it denied elsewhere

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   Bard of Elyposted 11 years ago

   What a mess! I unpublished and deleted a hub that was idled. I used the Webmaster's Removal Tool to make sure it was deleted from Google too and thought great, I am now free to publish again at InfoBarrel but I was wrong. It was denied!
   
   I set about searching for the first paragraph of my work and find it has been stolen by the Jacksonville Chiropractor, copied and pasted including my copyright notice.
   
   I wanted to file a DMCA but couldn't because you have to state where the original can be seen and mine no longer could. So I have had to come back here and undelete and republish my work!
   
   I couldn't even complain to the thief named Clifford because there was nowhere to contact him on the site my work is now on!

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      agvulpesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      That really sucks
      I'm surprised that HP had not notified you of 'duplicate content'
      I hope that when you republished your Hub the "date published" was the original date?

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      psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You could use a google cache to show you posted it first

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         relacheposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Actually by using the Google removal tool (as the Bard has done) you get them to revisit and recrawl the URL.  That's going to result in the cache updating to show the page gone.

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      Sarra Garrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      So sorry to hear that Bard.  There has got to be a better way of protecting our copyrights!

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      Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I learned this lesson the hard way, too.  Unpublished, waited a month or so, then submitted elsewhere - only to find that it had been stolen. 
      
      I don't know why I didn't think to check before I unpublished, I should've known better. Like you, in this particular case I can't file a DMCA.  So I've just republished it here.  Funny thing is, it hasn't idled again so far.

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         Bard of Elyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Yes, it has been republished here and is showing as featured and no warning for duplicate content! Right now I am leaving it be! I am so sick of all this extra work that needs doing for very small if any financial gains!

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   snakeslaneposted 11 years ago

   Ouch! I hope you can get your work back Bard, sounds messy.

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   relacheposted 11 years ago

   Why didn't you look for stolen copies before unpublishing?  It's pretty obvious that the HubPages tool for detecting when people steal your work isn't very reliable or updated.
   
   You should try checking the Wayback Machine for proof of your Hub's original publication date and existence.

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      Bard of Elyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I didn't do so because it is an awful lot of extra work that doesn't even guarantee any sort of financial gain in future and with the large volume of idled hubs I am in the process of moving I admit I couldn't be bothered!

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   jenuboukaposted 11 years ago

   I did the same thing, and found the same issues.  I installed a Chrome extension that will instantly allow me to flag the site.  My copied content was usually not the only copied content on the site; so I researched other articles, found that the whole site was copied content and then flagged the site through the webmaster tool, using the extension.
   
   I was finding more than one site that had copied my content; which was written over 6 plus months ago.   When I put my key keywords through the tool, I found my original main keywords needed to be updated as well.
   
   Long story short, I just ended up re-writing a lot of the content anyways to fit the new guidelines of the site I am writing on.  They have a completely different set up, where you must create your own tags, etc. 
   
   Hope this helps, Good Luck!

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   psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago

   Technically to file a DMCA all you need to do is assert that you are the copyright holder.  In this case I would request a takedown from the site owner first.  This is successful more often than not.

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      mistyhorizon2003posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      He can't because there is no option to contact the owner on the site (it was in an earlier comment).

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         psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I have always been able to find a contact method between what is on the site, Googling any named person or company, WHOIS domain registration etc.

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            livewithrichardposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            A DMCA is just a notice and it has no bite at all especially for people that live outside the US.  You would have to file a lawsuit and show damages and I doubt that there is any single hub on this site or any other sharecropping site that earns enough to warrant that course of action.

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               Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               That's true, but I've had a 95% success rate getting articles taken down using the DMCA format.   
               
               If I think the site looks like it's stolen content innocently, I send them a politely worded email - but it includes a threat to take it further if no action is taken.  I've sold a couple of articles as a result of that!
               
               If the site looks like it knows what it's doing, and it's displaying Adsense, I report it directly to Adsense.

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                  psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes, I also have easily a 95% success rate with requesting directly and if unsuccessful going the full DMCA.  And if the site will not withdraw the content you can request Google to slap the page.

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   livewithrichardposted 11 years ago

   You can use the wayback machine as proof of publish date.  Removing content from Google does not remove it from Bing/Yahoo or any other SE that has crawled it.  That said, it is a bad idea to take content off one sharecropping site and republish it on another similar site.  Republish it on your own domain and you will not have any worries.

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   psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago

   There are a few 'cliffords' in chiropracy in Jacksonville.  If you could send me the url I bet I could find contact info.  Is it clifford whitney? You could message him through Linkdedin http://www.linkedin.com/pub/clifford-withey/35/811/970 or call him at  (904) 379-6564.

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      Bard of Elyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks, I will send you the link!

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   WriteAngledposted 11 years ago

   I don't think it is a real chiropractic site.
   
   It certainly does not offer such services, but is simply a collection of articles, not all on the topic either.

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   Relationshipcposted 11 years ago

   That is so frustrating! In this case, it sounds like you are screwed, and I know how annoying that is. This has happened a lot with me as well.
   
   I would personally recommend monitoring your articles through copysentry - a part of copyscape - that monitors your articles for you and alerts you as to when someone steals puts up identical work. However, that is not going to stop people from stealing your work.
   
   Many times, if you put 'copyright 2013' on your work, then that will deter at least some people (with a small amount of morals) from stealing your work.
   
   Until we can get a slap on the hand to come through their computer, this is going to keep happening.

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      Bard of Elyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Clifford stole my notice saying copyright Steve Andrews 2012 too!

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