Questions about moving idled hubs to other publishing sites

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   Casimiroposted 11 years ago

   My search of Q/A and the forums didn't turn up much that wasn't old or inadequately answered, so thought I'd stir the soup again and see what floats up. The answers to my questions could be applicable to all hubs, but, in particular, I'm thinking of moving (re-)idled hubs off of HP, not ones still featured.
   
   - If a hub is idled, and therefore de-indexed by Google, does that shorten the time to re-publishing on another site in order to avoid Google seeing duplicate content?
   
   - Have people who have moved idled hubs to other sites seen a sustainable improvement in views and/or SE position for their keywords? By sustainable, I mean did the number of views remain constant or improve a few weeks or months after it was first published on the other site?
   
   - Those who've been successful moving content to other sites, I hope you can share which sites worked or didn't work for you. Since we're talking about idled hubs, I don't think HP should mind, since their system already voted those hubs off the ranch.
   
   - Are there any publishing sites that are more difficult to move the hubs to, because of formatting or how they handle the current media in your hubs?
   
   Thanks in advance,
   
   Casey

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      Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      It's not Google and duplicate content that's the issue - it's the fact that other sites won't accept duplicate content. 
      
      If you have a blog and you've written Hubs that could go on your blog, you can delete them here and repost them on your own blog immediately.  Google will work it out!

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         Casimiroposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I thought Google punished for duplicate content itself.

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         Randy Godwinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          
         
         I wish that were true, Marisa.  Then we wouldn't have to file complaints against anyone for stealing our work. 

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            Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I was talking about rev-sharing sites - most of them do a basic check (like HubPages does) when you post your article.   If something gets through, they are all very quick to remove the article (and usually ban the user) if they get a DMCA. 
            
            Nearly all my stolen articles were on other people's blogs, and occasionally article directories, never rev-sharing sites which is what I was specifically referring to.

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               Randy Godwinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Well, if I'm not mistaken people find old hubs with copied content frequently here.  I used to find it often while reading the "latest" hubs.  Are you saying they've finally fixed this, I hope?

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                  Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  I didn't claim it was a perfect system - it isn't.  It's not instant, either.  But most of them do try, and like I said, they are always very quick to react to a DMCA.  Even the article directories react fast, in my experience.  It's the shonky blogs that are the big problem.

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      Gcrhoads64posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Fullofknowledge.com takes republished articles.

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      LucidDreamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I have moved articles (and still am) to other websites and blogs I have. It's hard to say exactly how they have performed in comparison. What I will say, hubs that had stopped geting visitors for the most part faired very well on other sites and also gave me fresh content to add
      
      Personally, I un-published, waited a week and then re-published elswhere. I spent a few minutes optimizing the articles, ading H-1 H-2 tags and such and then published them.

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   Marisa Wrightposted 11 years ago

   If a Hub is idled, it will be de-indexed next time it is crawled.  That's unpredictable.  You can submit your Hubs to Google to have it de-indexed faster, but it really depends on your priorities.
   
   If I have existing Hubs which are idled for low traffic, it's quite possible they won't get much traffic elsewhere either, so I don't believe in spending more time than necessary on them. Submitting my Hubs to Google is extra work, so I don't do it.  I merely unpublish (not delete) those Hubs and let them lie for about a month while I get on with more important stuff.
   
   Then  I spread them around Wizzley, Xobba, ThisisFreelance, PubWages, Seekyt and Infobarrel.  If I have a few on one topic, I put one on each of those sites and make sure I interlink them.  If I have a lot on one subject, I may start a blog dedicated to that subject.
   
   Hubs posted on other sites don't necessarily do better than they did on HubPages - but on other sites, they can continue to earn a few pennies steadily, which builds up over time.

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      Casimiroposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Well, that's the $64 dollar question, isn't it? You obviously believe they *may* do better elsewhere or you wouldn't move them. It could also be that other sites have a higher PR than HP or do a better job of promoting or helping you promote your articles. Those are the kinds of things I would love to hear about from those with experience such as yourself.

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         Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         An idled Hub is guaranteed to do worse than an article on any other site, because it can't get traffic.  so I have four choices: 
         
         1. Leave it idled, which means it's wasted because it's practically invisible.
         
         2. Revive it - but if it doesn't get more traffic, it's just going to get idled again in a few weeks, and I'll have to revive it again.  That's not passive income in my eyes!
         
         3. Delete it, because it's a cr@p article anyway.
         
         4. Move it elsewhere.  It may still not get much traffic, but I don't have to worry about whether it does or not - because it will look after itself on any other site (except Squidoo, which has similar idle/featured rules). 
         
         HubPages says it does do some promotion.   No other revenue-sharing site claims to promote their users' work - the principle of a rev-sharing site is that each member does their own.

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            Casimiroposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I don't think idled hubs are guaranteed to not get traffic. I have some hubs that get more traffic from backlinks than from Google. The putter along, and once in a while get picked up by a larger site and the traffic goes boom again for a short while.

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               Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               What kind of figures are we talking about?

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                  Casimiroposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Not big numbers, just making the point that our hubs are not entirely dependent on Google. Once in a while, I get a blog post picked up by a much bigger site and the numbers go through the roof (1,000s) for a week or so.

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   LindaSmith1posted 11 years ago

   Infobarrel will take content published elsewhere. But get it out of google search. I use the Google removal tool. Plus you have to wait six months before you can republish it.

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      Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The Google removal tool just speeds things up - if you're not in a rush to move an article, it's just a question of giving it a few weeks.
      
      Where does it say you have to wait six months?

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      Casimiroposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Perhaps LindaSmith1 is referring to an Infobarrel rule? How would they know it's been six months though, since it's gone from Google in a few weeks?

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   catgypsyposted 11 years ago

   While we're on this subject, I thought that if you delete an article from a site, then it was ok to publish it anywhere else. I have never done this, but have wondered about it, so I'm totally clueless about this. Can anyone enlighten me?

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      Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      It depends on the site you're moving it to.   Most sites are happy to accept the article if it's been deleted from the other site and has disappeared from the Google cache.  Occasionally you'll come across a site that insists an article must never have been published anywhere else, ever - but they're rare.
      
      You'll notice I said "deleted from the other site and has disappeared..."
      
      That's because Google doesn't update its search results instantly.  It can take weeks for Google to update the remove the article from its results - and until it does, if the new site checks for duplicates, it will find the old article and reject it.

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         catgypsyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks Marisa, I always wondered about that. I didn't think of the fact that it had to disappear from the Google cache.

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   yansky23posted 11 years ago

   You can repost your idled hubs in Expertscolumn or BubbleNews. There's no need to set up an Adsense account. Once people view your artice you'll get paid, 1 to 2 cent per 10 views. Because they accept reposting provided that you use the same username. I've been paid there a couple of times. But delete it first here so there'll be no compromise.

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      Casimiroposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      yansky23, nice tip. That's about one to two-thirds less than on HP, but if it's idled anyway, why not?

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         yansky23posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Yes, and it's very legit, I'm not sure about Bubble News because I'm still a newbie there. But Expertscolumn has already paid me several times. The good thing about this is, even if nobody clicks the ad on the article you've posted. You'll still get paid as long as they've viewed and read your article. The good thing about this is you can increase your earnings by backlinking your articles to other article marketing sites.

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   LindaSmith1posted 11 years ago

   yansky23  You might mean Bubblews and not Bubble News.    Yes, Bubblews does pay, I am working on 2nd payment now.  Minimum is $25.   I got my first payment in months time, and the second will take about a month to earn. Some live on the site and post a alot so they can hit minimum in only a few days.

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      yansky23posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      oh, is it Bubblews? I've over read it. Actually I'm just a newbie there but I've read so many good feedback about this site. The good thing about this is they allow previously submitted articles. You can also try Expertscolumn. It's very similar with Bubblews. You can submit 300 word articles there and they also allow reposted articles provided that you use the same username.

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         catgypsyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I was checking out Bubblews and it no longer accepts articles taken from other sites. Just thought you should know.

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            Casimiroposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            But the same rule would apply if you unpublished from HP, waited for it to be un-indexed, then published on Bubblews, oui?

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   LauraD093posted 11 years ago

   I have very little to add but wanted to thank-you for the topic. I have just recently started deleting some hubs (idled after more then twice) and have been checking into other sites to submit. Squidoo has been suggested but after taking a look it seems to be all about promoting Amazon products I did submit one of my "product reviews," and will wait see. A techno-newbie to this type of publishing I had no idea it took that long after deletion for it to no longer be indexed. I'm just paranoid I'm going to do something wrong and get a spanking.

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   LindaSmith1posted 11 years ago

   On Bubblews: You can republish articles from another site once you delete them. However, you must be able to
   Prove you are the owner/creator of that article.
   You cannot copy the work of another and post it there as your own.
   When doing this, state that this is your article that was previously published at (provide the entire URL to that article.)

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   paradigmsearchposted 11 years ago

   This thread caused me to drop by Bubblews. The site actually looks somewhat enticing...

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    LindaSmith1posted 11 years ago

    paradigm: Easy money at Bubblews. 140 character minimum for posts, 80-100 words is good estimate. Some make payout every few days, but they post a lot there.

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       paradigmsearchposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I am working up to making them my project for the week to see how it goes.

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    paradigmsearchposted 11 years ago

    That Bubblews site is more squirrelly than HP has ever been. Finally got the new account page. Filled out everything, and had to spin the captcha a bunch of times. When I clicked submit, the dorks deleted half my data and said "USA" is no good as a location since it was too short. Filled out all the crap again, had to spin the captcha a bunch of times again. The dorks squawked again and deleted the data again. At which point I said f**k them. Maybe I'll try again tomorrow when I'm in a better mood...

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       Casimiroposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks for trying to blaze the trail anyway! Hate those captchas, hate 'em. Also, hate it when a site throws away your form data when they could just as easily highlight the fields that aren't OK with them.
       
       Let us know how it goes, if you can stand them for another round.

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          paradigmsearchposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          It will all depend on this weekend's Panda Perpetration. If Google likes my HP subdomain, I will shower many more hubs upon it. If not, then Bubblews, others, and my own websites will become my main activities.

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    Charles Jamesposted 11 years ago

    I set up my own web site <link snipped> .  Of the 50 or so posts/articles about 40 were once on HP. I receive all the income from Adsens. This site is not hugely profitable but it is more profitable than HP.
    I will probably move all my idled hubs to my site because an idled hub cannot possibly earn money.
    I will look at my hubs in a fortnight to see if they have been reinstated and if not I will move the idlers.

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       yansky23posted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I highly recommend you Bubblews and Expertscolumn. Honestly, I'm not happy as of now writing at HP. Check out these sites, this is worth a try. By the way, I would like to remind you about HP policy, to not post a link from other sites. You might get banned. Just a little reminder. anyway, try these sites. You'll get paid not by someone clicking the ads in your article but by someone viewing your main article.

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          mistyhorizon2003posted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Just so you know, it is actually ok to post a link to an external site on an HP forum, providing it is not to one of your own articles, your own website or an affiliate link that you stand to gain from financially.

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    catgypsyposted 11 years ago

    I posted earlier that bubblews no longer let you publish articles from other sites. SORRY...I got the wrong site...it's actually expertscolumn. Here's what it says in the guidelines:
    "Members who got their accounts registered before October 15, 2012 are allowed to re-post their articles from other websites and blogs. However those registered on or after October 15, 2012 are no longer allowed to re-post from other websites and blogs. We now accept only 100% original and unique content from new members."
    
    If you delete a hub, for example, does this make it ok to publish there? Or is that considered not original and unique content? I'm confused!

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       Casimiroposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Exactly the same confusion I had when I read that. Depends on what they mean by "re-post".

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          Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          There's an easy way to find out.  Unpublish a Hub, wait until you're absolutely positive it's cleared Google's cache, and then try publishing it on the other site.  They'll tell you if it's not acceptable.
          
          Most sites are happy so long as the article isn't currently published elsewhere. There are a few sites which only take articles which have never been published elsewhere, but honestly, how are they going to know?
          
          Two tips:
          
          1.  before you try moving a Hub, always do a search to make sure it hasn't been stolen first. Even a link to your Hub, repeating the opening para, will be enough to trigger the dupe filters on other sites.
          
          2.  Check the terms and conditions on the other sites carefully.  Can you delete the articles if you decide you don't like the site?  Many sites take a "perpetual right" which means you can never delete the article.  They usually say "but you still own the copyright" - but that's meaningless, because you can't do much with an article that's already been published and can't be removed.

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             Stormy1990posted 11 years agoin reply to this

             Question: How do you know if something is cleared from google cache?

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                Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                Try searching for it and see if it comes up.

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                Stormy1990posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                What if it was stolen, what do i do now? Here's the stolen article: http://olliebollie-chessnews.blogspot.c … games.html
                It's an autoblog (whatever that does)

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    catgypsyposted 11 years ago

    This is exactly why I always just write new stuff and never try to move things around...too much trouble! It would seem to me that somehow we could have more control over what we write.

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       Casimiroposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Get total control by using your own web site. Then you're responsible for getting traffic to it, but at least you are not subject to the whims of HP or any other site.

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       catgypsyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       True Casimiro. I have several websites and a blog, but I like to write things that are not related to those and try to make extra money on them too (although that hasn't exactly made me much! haha).

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    ocbillposted 11 years ago

    using your own website. Google penalizes both our site and the site duping yours right?
    Also, forget about Pagerank unless it is 6 or more. What counts more is trust and trust is measured by DomainAuthority, MozRank, etc. Many of these IMs can inflate PR.

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       Casimiroposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Wasn't talking about duping content, just moving everything to your own web site if you want complete control. And, you don't need PR6 to make money.

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    Anonymous00posted 11 years ago

    You could always trying re-writing the hub. An alternate version, if you will ... and post that to your personal domain. As long as the content itself isn't an exact replica.

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