6 of my hubs unpublished?

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   brimancandyposted 11 years ago

   I just returned to the site to find that 6 of my hubs have been unpublished. Not happy.

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      MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I can still get to some of them, have they just been idled/un-featured?

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      Simone Smithposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Hi brimancandy,
      It looks like you haven't had anything recently unpublished by moderators, so I also assume that you're talking about Hubs that have lapsed out of Featured status.
      The best thing to do in this case would be to update these Hubs to make them more search friendly and to improve their quality. These two Learning Center guides are great starting points on that front:
      http://hubpages.com/learningcenter/Elem … tellar-Hub
      http://hubpages.com/learningcenter/How- … ndly-Title
      
      Hope that helps!

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      Randy Godwinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      HP considers them as "collateral damage", Briam.  Move them elsewhere where they are appreciated.  Even if you edit them there is a slim chance they will ever do any better on HP, despite the inferences by staff.  Why waste more time with them here?

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         Kangaroo_Jaseposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Randy,
         Have any of your removed articles from Hub Pages done better in total traffic numbers when you have them on non Hub Pages sites?

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            Randy Godwinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I don't use other content farms, KJ.  Others I have spoken with have had  mixed results, depending on their writing ability.  There's one guarantee though, when HP idles a hub it is pretty much invisible to Google.  I prefer to sell mine rather than waste time editing them when they don't need it.  Some may not have this opportunity, however.

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            Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I haven't been tracking the views on the Hubs I've moved.  As Randy says, the only way I can get traffic to idled Hubs is from links I've created on other sites, and the potential of traffic from there is pitiful compared to what's possible from Google.
            
            I know you've been trying to build traffic from sources other than Google.   How is that going?
            
            I think one of the problems when we discuss traffic here, is that people have different definitions of what makes good traffic. For some people, good traffic to their sub-domain is 20 visitors a day.  Whereas I'm unhappy if I get less than 500 visitors a day (and it used to be 2,000 visitors a day).

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               Kangaroo_Jaseposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Marisa,
               
               It's a very difficult road to achieve since Google can 'suddenly bring an article to life' with sustained traffic.
               
               I haven't seen anyone yet express getting the same or more traffic for hubs idled and removed from here, then placed elsewhere on the Internet to have the same or more traffic on that site for the same time frame as when they were on Hubpages.
               
               I don't believe that all articles need polls or extra photos or changing a little text makes a huge difference.
               
               For Hub that are idled I think they need
               
               A) A large rewrite and expansion, or
               B) deletion permanently ( like our earliest hubs when a user just started on Hubpages) or
               C) removal from Hubpages and the content put elsewhere, but
               
               When that content is put elsewhere I haven't seen someone report traffic numbers or compare how that traffic was when that article was a Hub (was it better? Was it worse)
               
               Yes there is always the issue of what constitutes good traffic numbers and that's always a contentious issue too.
               
               I certainly don't have any numbers or hard data yet.

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               Dale Hydeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               That pretty much is the same case here, Marisa... I have come to terms to settle for the 500 or so views versus the average 2,000 views I used to get.  I don't see it getting any better until a "certain" season starts that will boost two of my hubs during this active season.

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         fatfistposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Amen! This is the reality of the situation.

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   brimancandyposted 11 years ago

   I am thinking that I am going to focus my time doing other things. I have not made any money at all while I have been here, and to have my articles bumped just because they are not google friendly,  is kind of a slap in the face. There are billions of sites connected to google that are crap, yet people seem to find those fairly well. You can also search google and find sites that are dead, or there is nothing there. I wonder how many people are getting paid for that.
   
   Anyways. I'll come back to it eventually. Just seems like too much work, with little results.

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      Randy Godwinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      It is very frustrating, Briam.  HP has changed their minds several times on the effects of idled hubs since the program has been forced upon us.  At first they said it would help our traffic if this program was run and that we should have our profile settings set so our idled hubs could not be seen on our profile page.
      
      So many of us decided to simply delete them as editing them usually only kept them alive for a few more months and then they become idled again.  All in all, more waste of time on an already finished article.  But since many have indeed moved them elsewhere, they've sudden reversed their opinion on this and suggest they actually do not hurt our accounts after all. DUH! 
      
      I've deleted hubs with many thousands of views so far and surprise, surprise, now they tell us they may become featured again even without editing them.  Of course, they didn't tell us this at the very beginning before many of us had already deleted them.   
      
      Confusing and mixed messages from the staff at different times concerning this controversial program really makes it something we can depend on......not!  But hey, perhaps tomorrow they'll change it again. 

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      quotationsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I think that the idea of idling hubs is self defeating. It means that these sites are invisible to Google, and are not indexed. This means that there are fewer entry points to this site, because there are fewer and fewer pages that will show up on the search results. The consequence is that traffic keeps on dropping, more hubs will get idled and more writers will get frustrated and leave. Repeat. and repeat.

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   LucidDreamsposted 11 years ago

   Sorry to hear that, I keep un-publishing mine on purpose!

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      Randy Godwinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Hmmmm.  That might just work!  I think I'll try for one really good hub.    Really though, my best articles may do much better somewhere else.  It's worth a try at this point.

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   jsquirrelposted 11 years ago

   Try harder next time to make better hubs

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      LuisEGonzalezposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Randy Godwin and brimancandy
      among others , write great hubs, and assuming that they become idled because they are not good articles is illogical to say the least. HP has been playing with this idling experiment and so far everything I have heard or rather read is that this idling experiment is failing in its original intentions.

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         Kangaroo_Jaseposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Luis,
         
         One aspect we haven't been told in detail, but it does seem to be working is the amount of QrAP that is being idled from those who have joined Hubpages just to have a spun or real, low quality article. I am referring to those set and forget articles that even if those users come back and 'update' they won't have those articles come through the new QAP regime.
         
         I still feel we need to hit the skids harder (as in complete traffic to Hubpages) before we start seeing it climb again.

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      LucidDreamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      jsquirell
      that is not the problem for most "better hubs" are still being idled or getting no traction, of course you would know this if you had been here for more then 10 days.

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   Dale Hydeposted 11 years ago

   Welcome back to the new HubPages!  I was at 126 hubs and am now down to 93 as of this morning.  I figure I am averaging 1 to 2 hubs idled a week.  So I should still be good for another year or so until my account page is empty.

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   Dale Hydeposted 11 years ago

   Just for general knowledge I would like to show the below graphic from WolframAlpha, a computational knowlege engine.  The graphic will show the huge decline in HP traffic over the past year.  So the drop in views overall on HubPages as a site would have a negative impact on our traffic resulting the this ideling of hubs at the current rate. The cause of the drop you may ask?  Well, I have seen at least a dozen excuses, lol.  Go figure.  There is no uphill spike in the future from viewing the below.
   
   
   From: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=hubpages.com

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      wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I wonder why it differs so radically from Quantcast?  They show a drop, but only from around 600,000 to around 550,000.  Why isn't wolframalpha picking up those other visits?  And why were they counting nearly 10X the number of visits a year ago than Quantcast was?

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         Dale Hydeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I am not sure.  I simply located the site through a search for HubPages statistics.

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         Kangaroo_Jaseposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I had a quick look at the Wolfram Alpha site. If you look just above the graph, the statistics are taken from Alexa result averages. Quantcast number are more than likely correct.

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            wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Well, that's a relief.  I know I'm not seeing that kind of drop, and didn't think HP was, either.

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               Kangaroo_Jaseposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Hmmm, dont like it much myself, Alexa has always been hit/miss with suggested site traffic levels.
               
               But I did find some interesting data on that site...
               
               On the web stats section, click on the sub domain button and all will be revealed.

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                  wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Guess we're not important enough - I don't see either or us in the sub domain section.

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                     Kangaroo_Jaseposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     I knew I ranked rather highly!!!

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      Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I'm dubious about those figures.
      
      HubPages gives Quantcast direct access to its traffic figures.  I know, because I've signed up to Quantcast for my main bellydance site, and I can tell you the figures that Quantcast reports are dead-on accurate.
      
      Whereas Wolfram Alpha is using computational algorithms to assess traffic - in other words, a degree of guesswork.

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   Randy Godwinposted 11 years ago

   The countdown from 100 begins!  99.....! 

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      Dale Hydeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Lol, I am ahead of you Randy! I am at 92.  I may beat you to zero!

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   Joseph041167posted 11 years ago

   I just discovered that I had four unpublished. I work too hard for that. Basically we were all duped. Hubpages is just another frawd. We should have read all of the articles saying that over in Google and there are many. We were taken, it happens. Time to shut it down. You would be better off bussing tables in a restuarant, and you would get a tax return, and possible earned income credit out of it. We threw our time and effort down a rat hole.

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   Kangaroo_Jaseposted 11 years ago

   Since the inception of idling/featured hubs I have seen 23 of my hubs idled.
   
   17 of those I deleted and have not put elsewhere since they were hubs I created when I first started here so really, they were quite low par and ordinary hubs. The other 6 I have seen them idled at least twice and have updated then 3 times each. It now seems those 6 hubs have stayed featured for over a month.
   
   I have only created two new hubs in the last six months. I am still taking a wait and see approach in this idling process. I am happy with the remaining hubs I have and will not look at deleting anymore in the future.

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    Joseph041167posted 11 years ago

    How are we ever going to get accepted with Ad Sense when they are unpublishing our articles as fast as we can publish them? Have you noticed, word is on here, that no one is getting accepted to Ad Sense on here any more? Please keep us posted, all of you, on these related concerns, as far as articles becoming unfeatured and not getting on with Ad Sense. I have frozen all activity, all writing on here, until this clears up, because it is pointless. Writing on here is absolutely pointless.

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       Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I'm not sure it's true that "no one is getting accepted to Adsense here any more".
       
       It's getting much more difficult to get accepted for Adsense, that's true.   But that doesn't surprise me - Adsense is constantly raising the bar.
       
       When I applied for Adsense, you didn't even need any content. You applied for Adsense when you joined HubPages, they approved you and off you went.   Then they started requiring a Hub or two. Then it was five - then it was ten.  Now it looks very much like the minimum number of Hubs has jumped from ten to twenty. 
       
       A lot of the people who post about frustrations with Adsense are from India or other countries where there's a six month waiting period - and that waiting period applies whether you're writing on HubPages or on your own blog.

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       MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Seriously?
       
       Dude, you wrote a hub that was.... from you own description "a personal narrative about the worst nose bleed that I ever had."
       
       Your profile reads like a personals ad.
       
       You want to get traffic and have your hubs stay featured?
       
       Go here:
       
       or here:
       
       http://www.jaaxy.com/
       
       Type in "Personal Narrative of Joseph's Nosebleed"
       
       How many people are searching for it?
       
       Absorb the number, take it in, consider what it means...
       
       Then try another search term... Maybe a personal narrative about your bowel movements...
       
       Absorb that number as well...
       
       Then keep entering words randomly until you find something that at least 30 people per month want to read about..(go ahead, reach for the low hanging fruit, we won't mind)  then make sure that 10 million people haven't written about it. THEN write a hub.
       
       Put the words that those 30 people are wanting to read about in your title.  Put them once or twice in your hub.  Use correct grammar and hope for the best.
       
       But yes, if you want to write about your nosebleeds, writing on here is pointless...
       
       I'm sure that's HP's fault somewhere along the line.

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          LucidDreamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Holy #%$^&^% That was a little rough!

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             MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             Possibly... but the information is out there on how to get traffic and how to do keyword research.
             
             If you've done everything you can and aren't getting traffic, then yes I sympathize.  If you OBVIOUSLY haven't put any real effort to learn about the business you are trying to do, then I have no sympathy when you complain...several times... about it...
             
             Don't blame HP for idling hubs with no traffic, even if he got adsense, he would earn no money.  HP idling his hubs has nothing to do with it.

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                DrMark1961posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                Melissa, it was not a little rough. Okay, maybe it was but I was planning on writing the same thing when I looked at that guys personal ad (oh, I mean profile page) and looked at the stupid hubs he had tried to post.
                Good answer! (Cheers from Richard Dawson and the audience)

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             galleryofgraceposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             LucidDreams: Truth does hurt sometimes!

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             relacheposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             I found it to be very straightforward and truthful.

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    Randy Godwinposted 11 years ago

    Don't blame HP for anything, even for the crap Goggle slapped them for. Just don't blame them, dangit! 

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       MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Familiar argument from you, but in this case irrelevant. 
       
       He's got the number one Google spot for "Joseph041167's Nose Bleed" As a matter of fact, he's got all the spots for the exact keyword.  Obviously Google recognizes him as an authority on his own nosebleeds.  HP is not effecting his ranking at all.
       
       So...obviously the problem lies elsewhere besides Google's feelings for HP... whatever those might be.
       
       Unless you somehow can figure out why nobody giving a flying fu...dge about such hubs has anything at all to do with HP, then I'll have to go with low traffic being lack of keyword research.

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          wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          I've got one of those!  #1 spot for "rotten egg pie". 
          
          Now if you would only explain how I can get the #1 for the more common name, or maybe for just "pie"...

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             MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             You know I actually had a long-tail go to the first page on the main keyword.
             
             Jaaxy said it wouldn't be possible (the little red button that says "don't try this stupid")
             
             I have no idea how it happened...
             
             Not complaining... too bad the keyword wasn't "pie".  That would have been awesome

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                wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                Wouldn't it though?  Pie as #1.  You probably wouldn't rank as that for too many searches (how many search for just "pie"?) but the number of #2 and #3 results would be enough to live off of in luxury.

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          Randy Godwinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          I've already figured it out, Melissa.  Google hates HP's guts.  As well as their other internal organs.

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             MelissaBarrettposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             Ah yes, that's why a hub on "a personal narrative about the worst nose bleed that I ever had" is not getting traffic.
             
             Because Google hates HP.
             
             Well, that answers the question I had for you, as well as any others I might have came up with.  Thank you.

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                Randy Godwinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                Anytime, Melissa!  Anything else you were curious about?  The meaning of life or other queries!

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