Hi its Louise again, I was wondering if anyone knew how to edit your hubs so that they can be featured and how often you edit them. I am trying to make blogging into a part time job or full time job but don't know how to get paid doing so and I am a horrible editor of my own stuff. Please help
If you want to make a real income from writing, then revenue-sharing sites like HubPages are not the way to do it.
You can learn a lot about writing online here, but the days of making a living from writing sites is long gone. We have a handful of high-earning Hubbers, but:
(a) the internet is their full-time job and they probably work longer hours than most;
(b) they started writing online years ago and their online portfolios have age and reputation;
(c) they have extensive knowledge and experience in online writing, SEO and effective promotion.
It would take you years to get to the same position, and by that time HubPages might not even exist, things change so fast on the internet!
It's better to regard HubPages as a writers' community where you can enjoy writing and learning from other writers, and earn a few dollars in the process. If you happen to do well, that's a bonus.
Oh, and by the way, HubPages is not a blog. We do each have our own sub-domain, but that's just an administrative tool and the site is designed as one big magazine, on which we are all staff writers. Most readers don't notice who wrote each article and will never visit your profile. If you are trying to build your presence online and attract a following, then you need to start your own blog.
If I were depending solely on HP to make a living, I'd starve along with my dog. I had to learn how to freelance and do it well.
I have now reached a point where freelancing isn't doing it for me so I'm trying to find other routes to make money.
I learned a lot on HP but fiction has always been my passion. Writing articles is like a side job that I love. I think it's time I dedicate more time doing fiction while I try other avenues of making money online.
The two most important things being said in this thread.
Are you part of the staff ?
I think that if people want to make money here, they
have the potential, as long as they work hard.
I'm fairly certain that Marisa Wright, as a long-time member of hubpages and one of its most successful writers, has the right to post her opinion without petty remarks. There is always quite a bit of value in what she has to say.
What petty remark was that?
Why is it anyone can say anything to me, but I'm viewed as petty when I ask a question ?
If you must know..I asked her that because she used the words "We", and I got the idea she might be part of staff, but since I wasn't sure..I asked...and my question stands
I stated my opinion that people can make money if they work hard.
If people didn't think that, why would they stay here?
There is also value in what I say
This is why I stayed away from the forums for 2 years
"Are you part of the staff ?" was petty. I don't really care what anyone else said to you, I didn't see it and wasn't addressing it. Nor did I say that what you say doesn't have value, though I see none in the post I commented on.
She didn't say anything to me, and I wasn't being petty.
I didn't reply to something she said to me
Are you going to attack me personally for asking someone else a question?
You say you don't really care what anyone else said to me ?..wow I know you don't, and I don't care that you don't
but I think this is enough now
No one said anything to me, where are you getting this?
Of course you can make money here, a few dollars, a few hundred dollars. But what that post was pointing out us that you can no longer make an income here, the sort of money a person could live on like thousands each month like clockwork. That used to be possible, now it is not.
I guess it's good for those who have a spouse with an income, or to make enough money to buy what someone normally can't afford .
I've read articles, and met people here who claimed to make good money.
If that's not true anymore, why do you suppose it is?
Deborah, why be offended when she is giving sound advice? I have been here three years and my income has been cut in half. I have to be creating multiple blogs to be able to stay in the content world. I don't know what will happen to HP so having a blog or blogs is a backup plan. I too had put my trust here, hoping to make it full time, but alas, it ain't happening.
Many people sign up with HP with the intention of making a good income here...so what Marisa says is just putting things into perspective.
Are you asking why I was offended?
I wasn't offended...why should I be?
Why did you think I was? What did I say?
No I'm not part of the staff, but I've been a member of seven years and I'm a blogger - and as any good online writer should do, I keep myself up to date with what's happening in the field of online writing.
I could tell you the whole story of HubPages' rise, fall, rise and fall again if you like because I've been here through it all. Combined with my research and experience elsewhere, I think I have a pretty good idea what the earnings potential of article writing sites is these days. The fact that most of them have closed down should tell you something.
When I joined HubPages, there were many writers here who made a living from their writing - and they were on HubPages because it made a worthwhile contribution to their income. I learned a huge amount from them. You'll also find Hubs from them and others, still published, talking about their success - but they are outdated.
Only a small handful of those Hubbers remain, because the income potential compared to other types of writing is now so poor. Yes, you can still make money but what matters is how MUCH money?
Of course, there are those writers who "just want to write" and don't want to climb the steep learning curve of earning from their own blog, or the slog of breaking into freelance writing. For them, sites like HubPages give them an outlet for their creativity and allows them to earn something from it. And it's a fun place to put pieces that don't fit your portfolio elsewhere. It's not a living.
I don't write on Hubpages for money, but because I feel I have something I want others to know.
I already wrote one book, and I've had two poems published.. That's all I wanted to do with that.
When my husband Joel, and I bought our business, we decided I would no longer work.
Hubpages gives me a wide audience for my spiritual teaching which is what's important to me.
I've been here 5 years
..and that's the kind of thing it's absolutely perfect for. The OP is a journalist who said her goal was to make a living from her online writing.
I know, and I was trying to encourage the person, that's what I do.
We never know how willing someone is to succeed...or how hard they will work
A lot of money to others may be a different amount than it is to us.
I've known people to be satisfied, even happy with making $40,000 a year on a regular job
It's also important to be realistic. It's up to the OP where she chooses to write - she may prefer to write on HubPages for a number of reasons, but I think it's important that she knows she's choosing something that will pay her less PER HOUR OF EFFORT than other avenues. She may well be happy to put in longer hours to compensate for that, but she needs to know that's what's involved.
You never did tell me why you feel people can't make the money they want.
What's changed ? Why it it harder than say five years ago ?
In 2011, Google introduced a new change to its algorithm called Panda.
At the end of 2010, there were many Hubbers earning $1,000 or $2,000 a month. I was not in that league - but based on my 2010 earnings, I was confidently predicting that I'd make at least $20,000 in 2011.
Then Panda hit, and HubPages lost 75% of its traffic overnight. Google would not tell anyone exactly how Panda worked, but they DID say one of their objectives was to "declare war on content farms", i.e. sites consisting of miscellaneous articles contributed by multiple authors.
For most of 2011, HubPages made many changes to try to recoup its traffic. Nothing worked, until HubPages hit on the idea of breaking the site up into individual sub-domains - one for each author. The theory was that each sub-domain would be treated as a separate website, so HP would no longer be regarded as a "content farm".
And it worked! HubPages didn't regain all its old traffic, but enough to give hope to Hubbers that the good times would eventually return.
Unfortunately, things have never returned entirely to their previous state - and in September this year Google issued a new Panda, which seems to have changed the way Google treats our sub-domains. Instead of treating each one separately, Google now seems to be looking at HubPages as one big content farm again - and Paul Edmonson has said that almost everyone has lost more traffic as a result.
Thank you for your informative answer. Now I can understand why you feel the way you do.
Even though I've been here for five years, I didn't know the details. I knew when all the things took place, but what I didn't know was why they changed the format, and I didn't know the effects it had on everyone.
But that's contributed to the fact that I don't make money on Hubpages, so I had nothing to compare
Yes, and that's why I feel it's important to paint the bigger picture to new members. I know it may sound discouraging, but IF a person has joined with the stated aim of making a living from online writing, then I think it would be unfair not to point out the reality of the situation.
After all, 2011 is not that long ago, and it's still possible to buy books and read (undated) websites from that time, extolling the potential of writing sites, so people often join with the wrong expectations. Writing sites still have a place and I still think they are a great place to learn about writing online - and a great place to express yourself - just, sadly, not a place to make a living any more.
I understand why you feel the way you do, if after all these events, your income fell off.
But you can only go by what occurred with you, and there is no way any of us can know what others are making on hubpages
We have quite a bit of historical data, and I'm hoping Relache will update this Hub soon:
http://relache.hubpages.com/hub/Improve … b-Earnings
Yes, thank you for all the background information, Marisa. I did not realize that some writers were once earning such a sizable income on HubPages. I now have even more compassion for those writers, then I had before, and feel sad.
The first thing to note is that those who have been here know that it is harder, even if we do not know the exact reasons. Instead of working super hard at an arbitrarily chosen task people trying to earn money online need to be smart about the portfolio of sites and venues they work for and how much effort they put into each. The only reason I continue to write content at all at the current pay rate is to maintain the hubs I have and their earnings and because it is something I can do while watching TV or on a plane and not able to focus enough to write a magazine level article.
You can still earn a good supplemental income here though. If you want to earn a living, you need to have your work at many places. I have a website that earns more than I do here and a couple of blogs, but still don't earn enough to say I earn a living. I don't think Hubpages isn't a good place to start. I learned so much here.
I use to be a writer for Ehow, and it's how I started writing online.
You didn't have to have an Adsense, or any other account, you shared in their revenue.
The way they did it, I was actually getting paid for my writing. They paid us with the revenue they got from their Adsense account.
But...it wasn't a nice place to write, as a matter of fact, it was horrible. They didn't treat me badly because I wrote and didn't say anything..but for the ones that did !!......I made good money there, but that's not why I was writing, so I left. I don't have an Adsense or Ebay account, and I make no money here..but
At least Hubpages is pretty fair
I would use the guide in the upper right hand corner when you are editing a Hub. It tells you how many words you've written, to use different media, etc. If the Hub is missing any of those things, like low on text, then I'd work on adding quality text to it, for instance.
I think even before checking the boxes in edit mode, it helps to read through the hub carefully. Does the title match the content? If not, that's the first place to edit. If the content doesn't adequately answer or cover what the title asks/states, it will have a hard time being found via search. Either rework the titles or edit the content and subheadings to give a completeness to the hub. Will it satisfy a search query? We don't just want our hubs featured, we want them to attract readers and keep them engaged.
I have one that just went unfeatured for engagement. I know it needs a better title and some editing of the content. I'm going to look at comparable articles in the search results and see how I can make a better title with search phrases and make sure I have related keywords in the content. As it is now, it's not working, but from the comments I've received, I think it's worth fixing.
I just wish I knew why adding to a featured hub would make it no longer be featured, even after reversing the additions. So getting featured may not be the end. It said quality, but there were only about two sales links to Amazon and ebay and about 1000 words of content. Can anyone comment on what kind of problem might esist, and no violations are showing.
My thoughts exactly I am so confused as I have to edit all my blogs from squidoo but some are featured and I want to keep it that way
If it's just unFeatured, you can post it in the Improving Your Hub section and ask people for advice.
But it seems illogical for something that is featured to become unfeatured. I added a module, then removed it to go back to where I started from. Something is not working in the checking process.
blogging can't replace a full tim job nor a part time job, you can treat it as a spare change income because the earning is relatively low here. to edit your unfeatured hub, try to add in video, poll, table, images of your own and add in 2 sentences ( new )
Writing on HubPages is NOT blogging.
I find the perspective on HubPages about writing online varies hugely depending on whether or not an individual has developed independent sites (eg blogs) which are successful.
If you really want to find out whether or not your writing is good enough start a blog and see where it takes you.
If the hub is unfeatured for traffic any change at all will work. If ti is unfeatured for quality trying following the suggestions at the top right in edit mode.
I was transferred from squidoo and am still trying to get used to hubpages thanks for all your help
One more thing: If you do not have the ability to edit your own work, you have a real problem because to do well in any writing venue, you have to be able to analyze what you write and make corrections appropriately.
HP is a great teacher, and you will learn a lot here about online writing. Perhaps you should use this site to hone your skills and then take them to another venue at a later time.
I am a full-time writer/proofreader/editor from India.
I can do the editing part for you and make your hub look good.
Someone said that good quality hubs with little traffic get caught up with low quality hubs with little traffic in the unfeatured process. That's why we have to work on them to get them featured again.
Here's The Learning Center Index
You can find a summary of guidelines on how to edit your hubs so that they are featured on this post:
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/127101? … ost2681726
If you follow those guidelines for each and every one of your hubs, there is no reason why you couldn't have all your hubs featured and, like so many of us, make a 3 figure payout every month.
Good luck with your editing,
I knew things weren't that bleak here, especially for those who work hard.
There are many solutions to problems
I'm glad to hear you make three figures, felicitations
A three figure payout could be $100 for all we know. This is a good example of how the definition of "doing well" varies from person to person.
A person who is writing for the love of it may be happy to make payout once in a blue moon. A person writing for pin money may be content with just reaching payout each month. However, a person writing for a living would want to make several hundred dollars from HubPages to make it worth the time and effort.
To find the figure in salary, change the word "figure" to "digit"
6 figure (6 digit) is anything not lower than 100,000 dollars.
5 figure (5 digits) is anything with 5 digits, like 10,000-99,000 .
4 Figure (4 digits) is 1,000 to 9,000
In speaking of salary figures-digits, the amount does not go below $1000.00 so there is no such thing as three digits
I believe the hubber meant 4 digits
I think Sue did mean 3 digits. She was talking about payout, not salary (which is my point of course).
But the figure definitions would be the same in either scenario
Who says? The expression "three figure salary" is never used, but that's simply because no one would ever earn a 3 figure salary. It doesn't mean it's breaking some kind of rule to use that expression.
Perhaps the best plan is to ask Sue what she meant. However, I can think of only a couple of Hubbers who are earning more than $1,000 a month - and one of them has over 1,000 Hubs, which would equate to $1 or $2 per Hub per month.
My husband and I are employers, and pay out salaries, so I guess I'm saying it. We know there is no such thing as a three digit salary. Not because no one will work for that amount, but the term doesn't exist.
Like I said, you have to work hard, and if it takes 2000 hubs that creates $3 income per hub each month, Then that's what yo have to do...for $6000.00 a month
The thing is you only have to write 2000 hubs once, so it's not as hard as it may seem
True, but what I'm trying to point out is that in the time it takes you to write 2,000 Hubs, you could create your own blog, or write several articles for clients, which would ultimately pay better.
I'm not saying HubPages does not pay, I'm saying that if you compare different writing jobs on the basis of a rate per hour, it is on the lower side.
For example, I met many freelance writers who were active members of HubPages in the days when payouts were higher, because the income was more comparable - now it's not worth their time - and the proof is that you'll see very few freelance writers here.
I also didn't say there was such a thing as a three digit salary. Sue was referring to a payout. That is not a salary and I would be very surprised if her payout is in four digits. Well done to her if it is.
I just saw this post in another forum from Sue, confirming that the "3 digit" payout was NOT a typo:
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/127101? … ost2682804
The Hubber calls it a monthly income, not a payout
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/127101? … ost2682804
I just asked Sue directly here:
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/127101? … ost2683056
While reading this thread I decided to add that I like any information shared on our forum. If you have been writing here for awhile I take into account what you have learned here and you do not have to be an employee.
We all know the Internet enough to know what information to ignore and what will work. So join the discussion. Any tips, observations, and a few opinions are much more interesting than a single link I should go to to read. I have read the Hub Pages info and oddly I am still muddled.
Sorry Marisa but this thread is about "How to edit your hubs so that they are featured".
Not about "How can I make a living from HubPages?"
That may be the title of the thread but the OP said "I am trying to make blogging into a part time job or full time job but don't know how to get paid doing so and I am a horrible editor of my own stuff."
I read that to mean she wanted help editing as part of her goal to make money from her writing. Since that raises a whole other question, I felt it was important to address that.
I use a program called Grammerly. I write all my articles in MS Word first. I then let Grammerly make all it's suggestions. I try to correct all the mistakes/suggestions that Grammerly finds. Grammerly also has a nifty Plagerism checker. After I am satisfied with the article in MS Word, I will use cut-n-paste to create the Hub article. Grammerly is an add-on to MS Word and costs $99 per year.
At times when we express our thoughts, and opinions, it can easily turn into a debate,
Debate can lead to some seriously hurt feelings
We' all react differently to words, opinions, and situations
Anyway I hope something I do or say helps someone, and nothing I do offends too much
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