Proof of Quota Imposition

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  1. paradigm search profile image60
    paradigm searchposted 3 years ago

    Before the Phantom Panda my monthly traffic was the typical sine wave, pretty much completely governed by day-of-week.

    After the Phantom Panda my traffic is pretty much just a straight line, day-of-week effects are now about 80% muted. And of course it's my peak traffic days that have been taken away so as to match my lower traffic days.

    To me this is the final proof. What say you?

    1. Writer Fox profile image47
      Writer Foxposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      There was no 'phantom panda.'  There was a change in the main Google algorithm; Google makes about 500 changes a year to that.

      There is no such thing as a Google quota for search engine results or for sending traffic to a site.  There is a limit for domain clustering on page one, but even that has increased lately to allow more webpage results from the same site. People who imagine some sort of quota are having a bad case of sour grapes and should be improving the quality of their content instead of drinking that Kool-Aid.

      1. paradigm search profile image60
        paradigm searchposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        Well we certainly have one opinion, any others? lol

      2. paradigm search profile image60
        paradigm searchposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        Hmmm. The latest HubPages Weekly (and its links) seems to dispute you on several points...

        1. Writer Fox profile image47
          Writer Foxposted 3 years agoin reply to this

          No, not really.  The Google spokesman confirmed that it wasn't a Panda algorithm change or update.  He said it was "part of a core algorithm update."

          1. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            I'm with Paradigmsearch.  Google simply neglected to mention that the algorithm includes a quota system to prevent google's sites from losing traffic to better ones.

            1. Writer Fox profile image47
              Writer Foxposted 3 years agoin reply to this

              I think you and Paradigm make a lovely couple.  tongue

              1. wilderness profile image97
                wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                Why thank you!  The doomsday clock and the doomsayer - what could be more appropriate?

                But seriously, watching the traffic figures since the first Panda, it just seems almost a certainty that there is a quota.  Not one enforced by an algorithm, though, but one manually applied whenever HP gets "uppity" with too much traffic.  A slow build to an increased figure, then a sudden drop.  Over and over and over it happens, and I just find it way too much coincidence.

                1. paradigm search profile image60
                  paradigm searchposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  The day-of-week sine wave disappearing was the final convincer for me. If there ever was a chart forensic indicator of artificial manipulation, that was it.

                  1. Writer Fox profile image47
                    Writer Foxposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                    But, according to Quantcast, HP traffic overall still goes down on the weekends, like always.  That hasn't changed.  (Individual results may vary.)

              2. paradigm search profile image60
                paradigm searchposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                Actually, we do get our shotguns and go fox hunting from time to time. lol

      3. Ben Aidoo profile image72
        Ben Aidooposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        You've said it all, Writer Fox "There is a limit  for domain clustering on page one, but even that has increased lately to allow more webpage results from the same site". Google is playing it safe by putting on page one articles from major media, professional and specialized websites. Faced with this change, I can see why hubbers who cannot increase their Google traffic, regardless of how much effort they make, would say there is a quota.

  2. Mark Ewbie profile image85
    Mark Ewbieposted 3 years ago

    I am a quota believer.  I don't feel there is anything more - or less - that I can do that will make a shred of difference.

    1. Writer Fox profile image47
      Writer Foxposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Catch him before he falls.

      http://usercontent2.hubimg.com/12423305.png

  3. Writer Fox profile image47
    Writer Foxposted 3 years ago

    Feast your eyes on this.  Here is a traffic graph for a site which Google loves:

    http://usercontent1.hubimg.com/12423808.png

    1. paradigm search profile image60
      paradigm searchposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I have repeatedly instructed Google, Quantcast, Alexa, and others that my website information is not to be made public. I am perturbed.

      1. Writer Fox profile image47
        Writer Foxposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        You wish!  Those traffic figures are from ComScore analytics. Want to guess the website name?

        1. colorfulone profile image83
          colorfuloneposted 3 years agoin reply to this

          Zazzle! (?)

          1. Writer Fox profile image47
            Writer Foxposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Nope. I know the print is very small on the image I posted, but the site gets 453,100,000 views a month.

            Here's a clue:  I met the guy who started that site on Sunday.

            1. Solaras profile image97
              Solarasposted 3 years agoin reply to this

              Alibaba?

              1. Writer Fox profile image47
                Writer Foxposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                Nope.

                Here's another clue: Jimbo

                1. colorfulone profile image83
                  colorfuloneposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  "Jimbo"?  (I am clueless)

                  1. Writer Fox profile image47
                    Writer Foxposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                    The website name starts with a W. The guy who founded it is often called Jimbo.

                2. PegCole17 profile image94
                  PegCole17posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  Seriously? I recently had good luck when filing a DMCA on two of their websites that were using my hub. I was impressed with the friendly and personal response from them.

                  1. Writer Fox profile image47
                    Writer Foxposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                    What site was that?

                3. DrMark1961 profile image98
                  DrMark1961posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  I have no idea but am definitely curious. Are you going to let us know?

            2. SheilaMilne profile image95
              SheilaMilneposted 3 years agoin reply to this

              Isn't it odd that Europe uses it much more than North America?  Roughly twice as much?  Or am I misreading the graph?

              1. Writer Fox profile image47
                Writer Foxposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                Europe has a greater population than North America: 742.5 million compared to 528.7 million.

                1. SheilaMilne profile image95
                  SheilaMilneposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  Not twice as many though

    2. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Google loves this site?  They have a funny way of showing it, then - world wide traffic increased by only 80% (not even double) in the past 7 years, with an actual loss in the last 3 years.

      1. Writer Fox profile image47
        Writer Foxposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        This site gets traffic from many sources, not just Google.  But, since I'm viewing all of the analytic statics for the site, I can tell you that it has never taken a hit from a Google algorithm change and Google loves that site. The site gets 453,100,000 unique visitors a month. Double that would mean about one billion uniques a month.  The world only has three billion Internet users!  What are you thinking?

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

          I'm thinking that while internet traffic has increased by a factor of more than 10 in 7 years (doubling every year) their traffic hasn't even doubled once.  That's not particularly impressive, and neither is a stagnant rate of growth in the last 3 years.  HP does that well - this actually sounds like something wikipedia might see.  A large number of visitors, but virtually no growth at all.

          1. Writer Fox profile image47
            Writer Foxposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            You win the prize (except, that there isn't one big_smile). 

            The statistics are for http://www.wikipedia.org/.  (Eat your heart out, HP!)

          2. colorfulone profile image83
            colorfuloneposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            I really think there should have been a PRIZE! 
            ( I will donate $100's worth of SOS pads wink

        2. brakel2 profile image77
          brakel2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

          Wikipedia failed the mobile test as did many others, as a side note.
          http://tfmainsights.com/wikipedia-bbc-r … ilegeddon/

          Yea for Hubpages. I am sure we passed.

  4. LuisEGonzalez profile image86
    LuisEGonzalezposted 3 years ago

    http://usercontent1.hubimg.com/12423938_f248.jpg

  5. profile image0
    calculus-geometryposted 3 years ago

    Sorry Writerfox, the Google Quota Theory is a religion and its adherents do not care that Google Quota Theory is implausible and without proof.  High priest Janderson99 is amassing his followers for a crusade. Bow before him and the arbitrary red line drawn on the Alexa traffic graph!

    1. Writer Fox profile image47
      Writer Foxposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      lol

    2. janderson99 profile image58
      janderson99posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Hey! There is nothing fishy about Google Quotas - the proof is in the pudding - the sea is rising and so are temperatures and you can't get over that. The tragedy of the commons rules the internet, like it does for fisheries, which recognised the need for quotas eons ago. There is a real prospect that the Internet will become conscious as GAIA to save Planet Water (Earth is a silly name). Quotas are obvious and real - the stability in traffic heralds control! Google twiddles the knobs.

  6. paradigm search profile image60
    paradigm searchposted 3 years ago

    Been gazing at my stats again...

    Looked at the year-to-date for my account. The before and after is clear as a bell. The consistent, higher level before the sudden drop. The consistent, new lower level after the sudden drop.

    Looked at the year-to-date for HubPages. Excepting for the few, unrelated swings; it is the exact same thing for the entire site. However there is a very interesting side note...

    Check out US versus global. Almost all of our entire loss is from global. The US loss, though significant, is not nearly as damaging.

    We all certainly have our theories as to the cause(s) of all of this... big_smile

    As for me, I've decided to invoke my philosophy of life concerning the whole matter; the future looks too damned depressing and hopeless. Gonna go find myself a new hobby and revenue source.

    If my account does eventually stop making monthly payout, I'll probably turn the freaking ads off as a public service. big_smile

  7. paradigm search profile image60
    paradigm searchposted 3 years ago

    Well, sports fans... Yesterday (May 23, 2015) is my new, first place, lowest traffic day of the year. The infamous HP-traffic-falls-off-cliff-day weekend is now second place. Unless I find myself something else to be preoccupied with, I'm going to hate this summer.

    1. Jayne Lancer profile image95
      Jayne Lancerposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Same here.

      1. paradigm search profile image60
        paradigm searchposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        Those were the days my friend
        We thought they'd never end
        We'd sing and dance forever and a day
        We'd live the life we choose
        We'd fight and never lose
        Those were the days, oh yes those were the days

    2. colorfulone profile image83
      colorfuloneposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      A friend got me started on a site called "sunfrogshirts". You do not have to design shirts to earn money. You can create up to 20 collections of t-shirts (up to 85 shirts in a collection) by other members on the site and earn 35% on sales. That's a very nice commission! 

      You would have to go and make your own social shares because there are no social buttons on their site because it is designed to be iframed into your own website.

 
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