I saw someone on forums today asking for advice so they may improve their hub: The hub is based on the exact same concepts that I was discussing with Kathryn yesterday, so much so that I doubt it's just a lucky coincidence.
What's up with Hubpages? Should we encourage newcomers (?) to steal and counterfeit others' concepts and ideas, and make hubs to satirize the original contributors?
You can't encourage or discourage such behaviour, unfortunately.
We used to have a very successful Hubber here, who spent hours sharing her expertise with others on the forums. She talked a lot about what subjects worked and what didn't, how she chose keywords, etc etc. Then one day she discovered that some Hubbers were simply copying her every move - by being open and helpful, she had attracted a host of plagiarists who wanted to feed off her success.
She no longer offers advice on the forums.
It is a great pity that things like this happen, but the fact is that once you put your work out there, you can expect this kind of thing to happen.
Isn't that where inspiration comes from? If you and I have a conversation about, I don't know, antique spoons, in a public setting, and someone overhears us, and thinks "hey I know something about antique spoons, I'm going to write a hub about it," I think she would be perfectly justified in writing the hub. And depending on how elaborate our conversation was, she may have gotten a bunch of details to add to the hub to boot.
I see no correspondence between your conversation on your hub with Kathryn and this other hubber's work. What if it is based on 'similar' concepts? They are fairly universal.
It's not possible to copyright ideas or concepts unless they have taken your actual words. They haven't so you have nothing to complain about. It's like saying, "I made a hub about cats and now this hubber has also made a hub about cats... he must have read my hub first and stolen the idea of cats from me."
You should be cautious about making such claims, particularly as you linked to the hub in your own hub's comments.
I can see where you would be discouraged that another member here at Hubpages has produced a Hub page on an idea you were discussing with another. However, you may consider not discussing your ideas where another can "act on writing on that subject". You can't on an idea. Now on the other hand if a hub page has been plagiarized. You have the recourse to report the theft of your article. There is a date on your work here at Hubpages. So, it is very easy to prove that another has taken your material and copied it. However, an idea you discussed with someone online, you actually have no recourse. No one can own a thought. I guess you might loo at it as "first come first served".
If you are able to offer tangible, valid proof that this person is intentionally infringing on your written and/or intellectual property, admin will honor your takedown complaint if you choose to file one with them.
Any other course of action will not result in any content being removed, however personal attacks do sometimes result in forum bans.
" The hub is based on the exact same concepts that I was discussing with Kathryn yesterday, so much so that I doubt it's just a lucky coincidence"
Sorry to have offended you. From your post, I noted that you had been "discussing a concept". I had no way of knowing you "recorded and saved your concept. " I bow out on this discussion... Sorry again
Well, others can play around my ideas, no problemo. I would rather encourage that. But the hub that I'm referring, did something far more than that. I wonder who was behind it, that they thought they could take me so easily. Well, if you're reading this, then pack up. I'm on to you.
I do grant you freedom to develop on my ideas. But not so much that you steal material from my hub-comments and then create hubs just to get my attention so that you may taunt me. You mostly take the guise of 1-day guy asking for help to pass QAP. You did this before. But, there are limits to everything. :-)
If you know the person that is plagiarizing your material, report it to Hubpages. I don't think it is constructive to be threatening to others on a forum. Better yet if you know who is perpetrating plagiarism, please share.
I truly see your concerns are warranted. Why not report this problem to HB. I think this user should be monitored. I know where your coming from. I have several older articles I wrote at Squidoo, and they have been copied (along with photos) to my exact words, over and over agian. Luckily I worked with Google to get some removed. It's very hard to get articles removed one copied.
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