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   DzyMsLizzyposted 7 years ago

   I came across a new piece of information:
   
   A tigon is the offspring of a male tiger and a lioness.  In parentheses, it gave the alternate combination, of which I was already aware: a liger is the offspring of a male lion and a tigress.
   
   Now, I wonder, what would you call the offspring of a tigon and a liger??? 

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      kenneth averyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      @DzyMsLizzy: tiggor?

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         DzyMsLizzyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         LOL!  ligon ?? 

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      Venkatachari Mposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      No, @Dzy, it will again become tiger. You will start with a part of the male name half and the other half female name part. So, take "ti' and "Ger".
      Better, you don't allow them. Lol !!!
      But, you missed another point. How to distinguish a male offspring from a female offspring, if you go by this perspective? Do you name both of them "liger"?

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   Jodahposted 7 years ago

   DzyMsLizzy,
   I have heard of both a tigon and liger, but maybe they are sterile or neutral gender like a mule which is the offspring of a horse and a donkey but can't have offspring itself.

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      Venkatachari Mposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      A good point to consider.

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      DzyMsLizzyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      That's true, Jodah; I wondered that myself.  But, smart-ass that I am, I had to throw in a monkey wrench. 

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   Patty Inglish, MSposted 7 years ago

   Columbus (Ohio) Zoo & Aquarium scientists tell me that possible mating combinations that can produce offspring are:
   
   tiger + tigon = ti-tigon
   lion + tigon = li-tigon
   lion + liger = li-liger
   tiger + liger = ti-liger
   
   They think that no tigon and liger have mated and produced offspring yet, but photo-shopped possibilities have passed for real on social media. So, I guess no one yet knows what to call them if they are produced in the future -- with genetic manipulation (?). Maybe we'd even get a lion and/or a tiger.
   
   Interesting question.

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      lobobrandonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Hehe nice info. But I do not think it would end up being a lion or tiger again. Near 0% probability, even if they can reproduce.

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         Patty Inglish, MSposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         According to my years of genetics training, if both tigon and liger are fertile, then chances for offspring are 25% probability Tiger, 25% Lion, 25% tigon, and 25% liger. Simplified, results of the offspring could be, given that T = Tiger DNA and L = Lion DNA:
         
         Parents:  tigon = T + L     and liger = L & T
         Offspring could be: TL (tigon) or TT (tiger) or LL (lion) or LT (liger)
         
         We can also create an embryo by using females of each hybrid, injecting the inner genetic material of the egg cell of one hydrid into the egg cell of the other, opposite hybrid. The result will be the same as the above.
         
         Thus, the possible offspring of a tigon and a liger, are: Tiger, Lion, tigon, liger.

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            DzyMsLizzyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            WOW, Patty!!  I'm impressed!!!  That's most interesting indeed. 

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               Patty Inglish, MSposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               Well, let's see if the project to bring back the woolly mammoth works - that might be impressive. It may not be wise, because I think the world is running out of resources too fast to feed them. Maybe it will be impressive bad judgment to bring them back. I think the plan is to use elephant DNA combined with mammoth DNA and I hope it does not result in the disasters of "Jurassic Park" or people trying to breed and sell tiny woolly elephants.
               
               LOL; your big-cat question was fun to think about!

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                  DzyMsLizzyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                    Yes, I love oddball trivia bits like that. 
                  
                  As to the woolly mammoth, I have but one question:  "why?"  Did they not realize there was a bit of a lesson in the Jurassic Park movie???
                  
                  Just because we are able to do something, does not mean we should! 

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                     Patty Inglish, MSposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     I agree. Some researchers can get carried away, I think. How ever will we feed these big animals?

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                        lobobrandonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        They are not that much bigger than elephants are they?  African Elephants for example

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                           DzyMsLizzyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                           Oh, yes--they were a great deal bigger!  Check out a natural history museum.. 

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                              Patty Inglish, MSposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              The Steppe mammoth is huge, like 15+ feet at the shoulder, and the American mammoths we have in an Ohio museum are over 12 feet at the shoulder.  Some sources say the American mammoth is the size of African elephants, but our specimen are larger. They likely became smaller down the line as food ran out. Similarly, Ohio salmon were several times the size of any you can find today at one time, and resources ran low as settlers moved in, over hunted, over farmed, and ransacked the state. Smaller, smaller salmon...smaller mammoths...fatter people, LOL.

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                              kenneth averyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              @   DzyMsLizzy . . .here's some food for thought. Since that we are talking about various breeds mixing with the other, consider a Dragon breeding with an Elephant in India and you get: A New Deliphant.

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                                 Patty Inglish, MSposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                 Now that's creative!

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                                 DzyMsLizzyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                 Or would it be a 'New Dragiphant' ???

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            lobobrandonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Ooh interesting. Can I pick your brain a bit?  I did study biology for 2 years minor subjects. What you described is similar to what I know regarding blood groups.
            
            Blood groups is genetics. But from what I understood you're saying that we could have pure breed lions and tigers as offspring?

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               Patty Inglish, MSposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               They may not be 100% pure-breed, but look like it, and I think we'd have to produce the offspring and do genetic testing on them to see for sure. Tigers are bigger than lions on average, so we may get what looks like a total lion, but bigger; or a "100%" tiger that is smaller than average. There may be other factors as well - like all the shades of skin color when Africans and Caucasians produce offspring together. Could there be "shades" of tiger-ness, for example? Possible.
               
               This is all interesting.

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                  lobobrandonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes this is what I meant. Some traits may change. It's super interesting.

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                  DzyMsLizzyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  I wonder, then, why lions look bigger???

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                     lobobrandonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     I assume it's because of the mane. The male lions I mean.
                     
                     Yes I did see a mammoth at the natural history museum at Vienna. Also I remember seeing a documentary on National geographic where they compare African elephants to mammoths. The fur adds to their size. But from what I remember they are maybe 10% bigger (if I have to throw a number around)  But I'm gonna Google it now hehe. Let's see. This is one of the most interesting threads on here in a while

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                        Patty Inglish, MSposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        Ohio's several American mammoths in our museum are over 12 feet tall at the shoulder. They probably became smaller with food resources running out.

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                     Patty Inglish, MSposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     The lion's shoulders and chests are built differently.

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