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Will having non featured hubs lower your overall rating/score?

  1. Missing Link profile image77
    Missing Linkposted 7 days ago

    I'm thinking the answer is probably yes?

    If you have hubs that have been deemed "not featured", for one reason or another, will that factor into lowering your overall score/rating as a HubPages member? 

    Example--let's say your overall rating is 75.  If 10 non featured hubs become featured will that help to raise your overall score perhaps to a 77 or 78?

    Thanks!

    1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image93
      TIMETRAVELER2posted 7 days agoin reply to this

      While having hubs that are non featured will not hurt your standing here at HP except to make your overall Hubber Score lower, you should always look at them and try to figure out why they weren't featured and then try to make adjustments so that they will be featured in the future.

      Hubs that are not featured are not indexed in search engines, so your chances for making money from them are very limited.

      Also, featured hubs have a good chance of being moved to niche sites, which is where they can really start to make money.

      In my mind, it's no good to write an article that few if any people will be able to see or read or that won't earn.

    2. psycheskinner profile image81
      psycheskinnerposted 7 days ago

      If you look at your non-featured hubs you can see how much lower their score is.  That said, your hubber score is mean to indicate how you are doing, it has very little significance in itself.

    3. pen promulgates profile image79
      pen promulgatesposted 7 days ago

      Scores are a crazy thing. They always create doubts and curiosity.
      There are many hubs with a low score yet they get good traffic.
      To answer your question, in my experience, unfeatured hubs that have failed the QAP might lower your Hubber score and also the total of all the hubscores. The best is to work on those hubs and get them featured.
      At the end, even if a low score hub gets the traffic, it's a win win.

      1. peachpurple profile image74
        peachpurpleposted 20 hours agoin reply to this

        Thanks for your good advice. I have almost half of my hubs unfeatured but my hubscore had not changed much, the views had fallen to 80% too. I think I should start revamping them.

        1. Marisa Wright profile image95
          Marisa Wrightposted 20 hours agoin reply to this

          Peachpurple, I have a Hub about what to do with unFeatured Hubs, and also a Hub on how to optimize your Hubs. I think it would help you to read both of them.

    4. mactavers profile image89
      mactaversposted 7 days ago

      As a new Hubber, I would delete them, but in the last five years, I have not.  Some Hubs are seasonal such as holiday related.  Some Hubs also go from not featured to great traffic depending on whether the Hub is somehow related to a current news event.  Sometimes, a quick update on an old Hub is all that is needed for it to become featured.

    5. paradigmsearch profile image86
      paradigmsearchposted 7 days ago

      My blunt opinion...

      If HP won't feature a hub, move it elsewhere.

      And my even more blunt opinion that will probably cause me some grief here... big_smile

      If HP won't move your hub to a network site, move it elsewhere.

      1. Missing Link profile image77
        Missing Linkposted 6 days agoin reply to this

        What is the best article writing site to move them to in your opinion?  In the past, I moved many articles to Bubblews and it took a lot of work.  Then, Bubblews went belly up and it was a major pain to retrieve them, move them back to Hubpages, etc.  I think I lost a few.  I am interested in moving a number of them though  but don't know a good site to transfer them to.  Thanks!

        1. Marisa Wright profile image95
          Marisa Wrightposted 6 days agoin reply to this

          Sadly, there is no "good site" to transfer them to.  If you're looking for a Bubblews-type site where you can quickly post short pieces, without worrying about layout or standards, then try Steemit.  I'm not convinced it will last long but there may be some short-term money to be made, like Bubblews.

          You need to understand that it makes NO difference which writing site an article is on.  If an article isn't getting traffic on HubPages, it won't do any better on Wizzley or Infobarrel or DailyTwoCents. The only place it stands ANY chance of getting better traffic is a specialist site on that subject.  So, your choices are:  get it moved to a HubPages niche site; or find a blog or website about that topic and see if they'll buy it; or start a blog on that subject yourself.

          The reason is that Google dislikes all generalist sites equally (except for news sites).  That's why 90% of them have closed down over the last few years.  Google favours specialist sites, so that is where the traffic is.

        2. paradigmsearch profile image86
          paradigmsearchposted 6 days agoin reply to this

          You are already on the best writing site there is. big_smile

          As far as I am concerned, there really aren't any other writing sites. Most of them have died and gone to Writing Site Heaven. Whatever is still out there that claims to be a writing site doesn't even come close to a distant second to HubPages. Basically, HubPages is the only decent game in town.

          When an article doesn't work out on HubPages, really your only viable alternative is https://hubpages.com/community/forum/14 … ost2915265

    6. Shesabutterfly profile image98
      Shesabutterflyposted 7 days ago

      In my experience unfeatured articles have not lowered my score. I'm in the process of slowly revamping all of my hubs from many years ago, so I have over a dozen unfeatured hubs currently. I took a few years off from Hubpages and came back to a score in the mid-upper 90's which is where it is currently. Featuring my unfeatured hubs and getting them moved to niche sites has not affected my hubscore at all.

      1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image93
        TIMETRAVELER2posted 7 days agoin reply to this

        Yes, but you have 98 hubs and only 12 are unfeatured.  How many of your featured hubs have been moved to niche sites so far?    Your featured hubs must have scored well for you to be in the upper 90s after your account laid dormant for so many years.  I'm very surprised to hear that your overall score remained pretty much the same given the circumstances.

        1. Shesabutterfly profile image98
          Shesabutterflyposted 7 days agoin reply to this

          I have 19 on niche sites to the 20 I have unfeatured. I get over 50 percent of my traffic from two articles that rank very high on Google. They are some of my oldest articles and ranked highly before ever being transferred to the niche sites. I have about five or six other articles that get daily traffic from the niche sites. The rest are either seasonal, get traffic in spurts, or have zero to five views a day.

          Although, I wouldn't say my top two bring in tons of traffic either. I have roughly 15 maybe more featured articles that have not seen traffic in months, and will see less than 200 hits a year. I also have not seen good traffic from the few unfeatured articles I edited and got featured and moved to niche sites. Maybe the lack in traffic from my newly featured articles has something to do with my hubscore not changing? I honestly do not get good traffic and therefore make very little, but I still seem to have a very good hub score. Not sure how it's calculated, but I do not pay any attention to it for that reason.

          I don't know when the top two articles started ranking so high, but when I came back I had a score in the mid 90's, I can't remember what it was exactly. However, on any given day my score still ranges from 96-100.

          1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image93
            TIMETRAVELER2posted 7 days agoin reply to this

            There is no guarantee that a higher hubber score or a move to the niche sites will bring in more traffic, but the chances of gaining more traffic are much better.  All but three of the  120 hubs on my main HP site  have been moved to the niches and all of the 35 hubs on my second site were moved as well.  The moves have done well for many of them, but some, not so much.  Your profile shows that you have written 98 hubs, so if only 19 have been moved to niches and 20 more are unfeatured, I think your idea of updating is a smart move for you.

            1. Shesabutterfly profile image98
              Shesabutterflyposted 7 days agoin reply to this

              Definitely plan on updating the rest of my hubs. Most were written many years ago and it really shows. I have many months of updating and rearranging ahead of me. I've seen better traffic from some of the updated ones, so I'm hoping things will pick up. Traffic is noticably better, but it's hard not to beat what I was previously getting. With time I'm sure the updates and moves to niche sites will help the majority of my hubs. I'm terrible at networking and sharing my work so I really rely on my top two articles that rank high to bring in traffic and hopefully people will stay and look at other related articles. Although I'm well aware that is rare and most of my traffic proves that. I like the niche sites simply because I feel like more people have a chance at seeing my hubs that are not highly ranked on Google. That alone would be enough for me to update and get hubs featured, whether or not it increases hubber score right away.

              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 7 days agoin reply to this

                "I'm terrible at networking and sharing my work so I really rely on my top two articles that rank high to bring in traffic and hopefully people will stay and look at other related articles."

                Don't be too sure of that; Dengarden is third on my list of referrers, after google.com and google.ca and before Bing. Yes, it is much smaller than google, but it all helps.

          2. Marisa Wright profile image95
            Marisa Wrightposted 7 days agoin reply to this

            You've got it backwards.  The amount of traffic you get affects your scores. Your scores do not affect your traffic.

            Google doesn't know what HubScore or HubberScore mean, so your scores make absolutely NO difference to how your Hubs rank on Google (or any other search engine).   

            A Hub's score may make it more likely to be featured on the front page of HubPages or the niche sites - but that is individual Hub Score, not your HubberScore.

            1. Shesabutterfly profile image98
              Shesabutterflyposted 7 days agoin reply to this

              I never claimed to know what affects individual hub scores or hubber score. In fact I said I don't know how it works. I don't pay close attention to either score, as I don't find them useful in terms of measuring traffic or earnings. In regards to the new featured hubs not getting much traffic maybe it's my unchanging hubscore question, I didn't mean the score was affecting the traffic although looking back I can see that I phrased it wrong. I meant the updated newly re-featured hubs might not have had a chance to raise traffic enough to affect the scores.

              I currently have a hub rated at 100 and it's not even in my top three traffic wise. Not sure how that is possile if traffic is suppose to bring up hub scores like you said. If scores are based off traffic, my scores should be signigicantly lower than they actually are across the board. Either way, I'm not interested in scores really. Just giving my observation on how my hubber score has changed in regards to Missing Link's initial question about featured and unfeatured hubs.

              1. Marisa Wright profile image95
                Marisa Wrightposted 6 days agoin reply to this

                Sorry,  I didn't think you were "claiming" anything, I was just concerned that you'd misunderstood how it works. 

                Scores are not based entirely on traffic - traffic is one factor out of many.   The point I was trying to make is that increasing your HubberScore won't do anything to increase your traffic, it's vice versa.  But you are very wise to disregard scores.

    7. psycheskinner profile image81
      psycheskinnerposted 7 days ago

      Leaving unfeatured hubs causes no actual disadvantage to you.  I improve mine and get them featured when/if I get around to it.  Having no other place to put them that would be more profitable.

    8. Missing Link profile image77
      Missing Linkposted 6 days ago

      Is my "Hubberscore" the number on the picture associated with my username...which is 75.  The picture is a puzzle that has a piece missing----is the associated number there (75) my Hubberscore?  That is the number I was referring to when I asked if non featured hubs will drag that number down.

      There seems to be divergent opinions herein regarding my question and that's to be expected I guess.  My guess was that having non featured hubs would tend to drag that number down but again, amongst the respondents herein...there seems to be differing opinions.  I totally respect those opinions!

      I have carefully read the responses and really appreciate the input!

      I will continue to carefully monitor any further responses and then maybe like after 3-5 more days consider this thread closed...or something like that.

      Thanks again!

      1. Marisa Wright profile image95
        Marisa Wrightposted 6 days agoin reply to this

        Yes, that's your HubberScore and no, I don't think people have been contradictory at all.

        Your HubberScore is made up of an average of your HubScores, plus a weighting for your activity on HubPages.  If you have some Hubs with low scores, that will obviously drag your HubberScore down.  If you look at your UnFeatured Hubs, they probably all have lower scores - so yes, they are dragging your HubberScore down.

        However, it doesn't matter a damn. Your HubberScore and HubScore don't help you get noticed or help you get traffic.  They're just an internal HubPages measure.

        1. Missing Link profile image77
          Missing Linkposted 5 days agoin reply to this

          Thank you!  If having non featured hubs contributes to reducing the hubberscore then it would stand to reason that having non featured hubs unpublished or deleted would raise  the hubberscore...perhaps dramatically?

          For example, only about 19 of my 102 hubs are featured and my hubberscore is 75. If I unpublished, deleted or moved the 83 hubs on my account that are not featured all that would remain are the featured ones.  I would then expect my hubberscore of 75 to increase rather dramatically.  Am I correct about this in your opinion?

          1. Marisa Wright profile image95
            Marisa Wrightposted 5 days agoin reply to this

            I would say that's a reasonable conclusion - but like I say, remember that your HubberScore does absolutely nothing to help you earn income, OR to help your remaining Hubs get more traffic.  So the effort is hardly worth it.

            I have a Hub about "What to do with UnFeatured Hubs" which you might want to read.

            1. Missing Link profile image77
              Missing Linkposted 5 days agoin reply to this

              I will check that hub out at some point.  Thanks very much for all our help!

        2. Ivan Hernandez profile image85
          Ivan Hernandezposted 38 hours agoin reply to this

          They should've been deleted years ago. Hubscores and HubberScores don't mean anything but to feed your ego. I had an article that had a Hubscore in the low-mid 90s for a long time, but since Hubscores doesn't matter, who cares about my article? No one. I still have that article. It's still very high.

    9. psycheskinner profile image81
      psycheskinnerposted 5 days ago

      Consider this.  If your unfeatured hubs have any traffic, deleting them might increase your score and also decrease your income.  Which is more important to you?

      Several of my unfeatured hubs have quite respectable traffic due to links that formed when they were featured or because I promoted them at some point.  Once made, those links continue to bring traffic even to hubs not listed in search engines.

      1. paradigmsearch profile image86
        paradigmsearchposted 5 days agoin reply to this

        This sounds idiotic on HP's part. Not only should those hubs be featured, they should be on network sites. Jeez!

        Btw, how you been? I hope all is well with you.

        1. psycheskinner profile image81
          psycheskinnerposted 5 days agoin reply to this

          All is fine here.  I can see why some of the hubs are unfeatured even with traffic as they don't meet the new quality/formatting/spamminess standards in various ways.  But with over 100 hubs and other stuff to do, it can take me a while to get around to updating them.

      2. Missing Link profile image77
        Missing Linkposted 5 days agoin reply to this

        I hear you.  My income from hubpages has always been negligible----almost zero.  I've been a member for 8+ years.  If I were doing this ONLY for income I would have quit about 7 years ago.   I see the info about all the money some people are making here....and my hat goes off to them.  I'm just not as skilled I guess and that's ok---I have no problem living with and accepting that.  Thanks very much for all your help!

        1. Marisa Wright profile image95
          Marisa Wrightposted 5 days agoin reply to this

          I doubt it's a question of skill.  More likely, it's your choice of subjects that's the problem.

    10. peachpurple profile image74
      peachpurpleposted 4 days ago

      Actually, I have 10 unfeatured hubs and hubs that are not published yet. My hub score maintained. Didn't fluctuate much.

      1. Missing Link profile image77
        Missing Linkposted 3 days agoin reply to this

        I see.  Just within the past few days I unpublished (not deleted) around 55 unfeatured hubs but my Hubberscore has gone up by only like 1-2 points---from like 74 to 76.  I hope my Hubberscore will go up much higher now that  I have unpublished most of my unfeatured hubs.  I figure I have not given it enough time yet.  It will be a bummer if it does not go up much higher.

        1. Marisa Wright profile image95
          Marisa Wrightposted 3 days agoin reply to this

          You seem to be missing the main point - that HubberScore doesn't matter a damn.  It does nothing for you, except feed your ego, so I'd advise trying to forget it exists.

          Your HubberScore is based PARTLY on the average of all your HubScores, but it also includes a component for how active you are on HubPages.  So if you're really obsessed with getting your HubberScore up, you might be better off spending more time on the forums, reading and commenting on other people's Hubs, posting in Q&A, etc.  Just be aware that none of those things will contribute to your income in any way.

          1. Ivan Hernandez profile image85
            Ivan Hernandezposted 2 days agoin reply to this

            Theraggededge told me that hubscores and hubberscores are not important. You're right. They don't matter. What matters is the material you write. I'm in HubPages for both fun and money, and I'm going to have to get right back to posting more material.

          2. Missing Link profile image77
            Missing Linkposted 2 days agoin reply to this

            Ok, thanks again!

    11. psycheskinner profile image81
      psycheskinnerposted 3 days ago

      An unfeatured hub can make you some money and unpublished one cannot?  What is the more important goal for you a high hubscore, or money?

      1. Missing Link profile image77
        Missing Linkposted 2 days agoin reply to this

        I hear you.  I unpublished the ones that had low scores and/or poor traffic.  I left all others published...featured ones, ones with decent scores and/or good traffic, etc.  Thanks!

        1. psycheskinner profile image81
          psycheskinnerposted 2 days agoin reply to this

          In which case, Hubscore is more important you than money.  Which is an interesting choice.

          1. Missing Link profile image77
            Missing Linkposted 2 days agoin reply to this

            I unpublished ONLY the ones that had very low scores and very low traffic.  The ones I unpublished had done poorly and any money lost was, I'm certain, close to zero.

          2. Missing Link profile image77
            Missing Linkposted 46 hours agoin reply to this

            My earnings January 1, 2017 through September 30, 2017 was <SNIPPED>.  This was with all 90+ hubs published.  Again, the total for the time period specified was six dollars and 56 cents.

            1. psycheskinner profile image81
              psycheskinnerposted 38 hours agoin reply to this

              I am obviously not communicating my point, which is that unfeatured hubs will still earn money, deleting them will decrease your income. Maybe not by much, but why do something that decreases your income at all? Also term of service says not to share your actual earnings.

              1. Ivan Hernandez profile image85
                Ivan Hernandezposted 38 hours agoin reply to this

                Sorry. Didn't read the full TOS!

              2. Ivan Hernandez profile image85
                Ivan Hernandezposted 38 hours agoin reply to this

                Am I banned again?

                1. theraggededge profile image96
                  theraggededgeposted 38 hours agoin reply to this

                  Erick, you might be reading the forum threads wrong. Psycheskinner is replying to MissingLink.

                  Make sure you've clicked on 'Chronological' at the top right of the page.

                  1. Ivan Hernandez profile image85
                    Ivan Hernandezposted 38 hours agoin reply to this

                    Sorry. this thread is so confusing.

              3. Missing Link profile image77
                Missing Linkposted 32 hours agoin reply to this

                Yes I guess we are coming at this from different angles or that we possibly don't understand one another and I don't see this changing. 

                I did not know that sharing earnings info violated TOS.  I frequently see info about this person makes $200 a month, this person makes $900 a month, etc and it's almost as if their info is being marketed, featured, etc.----I regularly see this.

                1. Ivan Hernandez profile image85
                  Ivan Hernandezposted 32 hours agoin reply to this

                  I know. Are you saying that they got paid to say that?

                  1. Missing Link profile image77
                    Missing Linkposted 30 hours agoin reply to this

                    No, I'm not saying that at all.  I did not say that or intend to imply that.   What I'm saying is that if talking about earnings violates TOS then it is not being enforced very well....cause I see earnings being talking about frequently...in a very open way.  Thanks!

                2. Ivan Hernandez profile image85
                  Ivan Hernandezposted 32 hours agoin reply to this

                  As I was saying, Hubberscores and Hubscores don't matter anymore now. An Article with a Hubscore of 91, ets 10 views per day, while an article getting as Hubscore of 78 gets about 80 views per day. It just doesn't make sense. The Hubscore and Hubberscore system should've been deleted years ago. Which reminds me, I've got to post this somewhere else.

                3. Marisa Wright profile image95
                  Marisa Wrightposted 20 hours agoin reply to this

                  Missing Link, I'm still curious what angle you're coming from?  As in, we're all struggling to understand why the score is so important to you.

                  You're right about the ads on the front page of HubPages - those examples of earnings are placed there by HubPages so I guess they are able to break their own rules!

                  1. Missing Link profile image77
                    Missing Linkposted 18 hours agoin reply to this

                    Well I guess it is psychological perhaps but powerful.  When I see someone who has a hubberscore of 98 and then someone else has one that is 32 I naturally think the one with the 98 must be doing something well and the one with 32 not so much.  For example, you have a high hubberscore but what if it were instead 42?  Would that bother you that yours was 42 and many others had scores like 95, 96, 97?  It is perception I guess.  No I'm not shallow but I'm goal oriented and the higher score looks better.  If I see someone has a high hubberscore I'm more likely to think they have good stuff, know what they are doing, are an authority, etc. and might go into their list of hubs to check them out.  However, if I see that someone has a lousy hubberscore I might think twice.

                    If my published, unfeatured hubs were dragging down my hubberscore then it made sense to me to unpublish them to drive the score up.  But, I only unpublished the ones that had bad scores and terrible traffic.  Naturally I did not unpublish any unfeatured hubs that had good scores or lots of traffic. 

                    A number of the hubs I never should have published in the first place so it's no big deal that I unpublished them and if doing so would increase my hubberscore then great!

                    Think about ratings you might see on Yelp, E bay, Amazon.com...it matters to many people and influences them.  If you are on Ebay and see the exact same item from two different sellers, and all else being equal, except one has lousy feedback and the other one great feedback you are likely to buy from the one with the great feedback score (now think in terms of a great hubberscore and a lousy one.)  Ratings and scores on YELP and on many other sites influence people and their perceptions.  So, I was just trying to see and learn about ways to increase my hubberscore...of course I know about hard work, trying to improve, etc. but I just thought if I could unpublish some of my lousy hubs which were not making any money at all to drive my score up that it would be worth it.  Yes I know I instead could work harder on those lousy hubs to make them better but that's not what my original question was about. 

                    Well never mind, I really appreciate all the input given to me by everyone.  I have not visited the forum in years or something like that I think. I'm not much of a forum person cause it seldom goes down the way I originally intended.

                    I'll read any further responses from anyone but won't respond further.  Thanks very much!

                    1. Marisa Wright profile image95
                      Marisa Wrightposted 17 hours agoin reply to this

                      Ah, but you're assuming that readers notice.

                      Over 90% of the people who read Hubs are not members of HubPages, and therefore they have never heard of HubScores or HubberScores.  Most of them don't notice the little number on our photo.  If they do notice, they don't know what it means.  For instance, in all the time I've been here, I've only had two readers comment about my score - and one of them said, "It doesn't seem fair, you write so nicely, you don't deserve to be ranked so low."  He was assuming it was a ranking out of 100 - which meant I was at the bottom of the pile, not the top!

                      So that's why we're saying it doesn't matter, because less than 10% of your readers know what the numbers mean.

                      By the way, quick tip for your website - get rid of those Archives and create Labels menus instead.  Think about it - why would any reader click on "April 2013" to see what's there?  Using date archives instead of labels means no one can find your old posts.  Think of Labels as Categories.

     
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