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DEBATE OF LOGIC

  1. marinealways24 profile image61
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    When we make decisions, we make them based on individual logic. Are somes logic more rational than anothers sense of logic? Who and how is to decide if a majority logic is logical?

    1. anjalichugh profile image81
      anjalichughposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Nothing is right or wrong....only perception makes it so. smile

      1. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I would have to disagree and say that something like "rape" or "murder" is pretty wrong. It would be perceived as wrong by the majority, so the majority would see it as wrong making it wrong, right?

        1. Davinagirl3 profile image61
          Davinagirl3posted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Right.  Crimes with victims are easy to judge, but what about victimless crimes?

          1. marinealways24 profile image61
            marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

            Example of a victimless crime please.

            1. Davinagirl3 profile image61
              Davinagirl3posted 8 years ago in reply to this

              Possession of marijuana... just as an example.

              1. marinealways24 profile image61
                marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

                Ahhh you are a bud smoker huh lol

                I would say something like that is decided on the politicians/congress majority logic. If 40% wants to legalize and 60% wants it to remain illegal, they would have the majority vote or majority logic. Is this close or was you looking for a different example?

                1. Davinagirl3 profile image61
                  Davinagirl3posted 8 years ago in reply to this

                  sounds good to me! smile

                  1. marinealways24 profile image61
                    marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

                    Thanks for the question. They should use a sane logic and legalize. lol

    2. Davinagirl3 profile image61
      Davinagirl3posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Of course the majority logic is not correct.  Most of what the popular consensus would believe is logic is just brought about by propoganda of some sort.

  2. Hawkesdream profile image68
    Hawkesdreamposted 8 years ago

    Good question, is it logical to think that others are being rational when you think that it is totally illogical to think that way.  One mans meat is another mans poison so what is logical for one is not necessarily logical for another.

    1. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      My thoughts exactly. lol. Our logic may agree on the topic of logic. lol

  3. Hawkesdream profile image68
    Hawkesdreamposted 8 years ago

    Seriously though, some peoples logic beggars belief. I asked someone why the drink and drive. I pointed out that their livelihood would be taken away if they are caught.. the response was:-
    I have been doing this for years, and haven't been caught!
    He was caught.2 year ban and £280 fine, asked him how he felt..answer, whats done is done! unbelievable where is the logic in that?

    1. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      The logic may have been under the influence. lol On a serious note, I have no idea why some have a different sense of logic. It is very interesting to me.

  4. marinealways24 profile image61
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    Maybe our individual logic is how we each individually analyze thoughts to reach a conclusion.

  5. Lisa HW profile image82
    Lisa HWposted 8 years ago

    I think logic should be the same for everyone, but the difference is that some people have more and/or more accurate information to factor into their logic - hence, seemingly different logic.

    1. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      How could logic ever be the same for anyone much less everyone on every subject? Please explain. I see this as impossible. lol Maybe majority logic can be reached on some subjects, yet majority is not everyone.

    2. Jodi Hoeksel profile image61
      Jodi Hoekselposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I see a web in your logic. No?

      I feel logic is presence....

  6. cheaptrick profile image74
    cheaptrickposted 8 years ago

    hears an example of my girlfriends logic...i say"honey,would you like to go out to dinner?"she says"I'M NOT MY MOTHER!!!".good thing shes not bigger than me...

    1. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I will politely say that women seem to have a "unique" sense of logic. lol

      Who is the child in your picture? He doesn't look very happy.

      1. cheaptrick profile image74
        cheaptrickposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        marine,you ain't gonna believe this BUT,that is me at age five i swear.one day I'll wright a hub on why i was so unhappy(its a little complicated)

  7. Lisa HW profile image82
    Lisa HWposted 8 years ago

    If everyone were using equal information to reach a logical conclusion, the conclusion should be the same; because logic is a process, and if someone uses it correctly, it's the same as any other mathematical process.

    Example:  On a question like, "Should I quit my job?"...   Suppose there are 20 pieces of critical information needed to come to the most logical decision.

    If I ask 100 people the question I'll get x number saying "yes" and x number saying "no".

    Suppose I add in the information that I have a mortgage, or that, instead, I am independently and vastly wealthy.  The numbers of yes's and no's would change.   What if I add that I'm 25?  How about if I add that I'm 85?  Suppose I add that I have 10 kids.  Suppose I add that x number are under 16.  What if, instead, I have 10 kids over 40 years old?  What if I change the question to "should I quit this month or next year?"

    The person who had knowledge of all the critical pieces of information could reach a logical conclusion, provided that person was good at using logic.  Two people equally skilled at using logic would reach the same conclusion.  (Remember that logic is independent of people's personal preferences, emotions, experiences, etc.)

    With only the initial question nobody would have sufficient information to come up with a solid, logical, answer; so they'd have to just go by their own leanings/preferences.

  8. marinealways24 profile image61
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    "If everyone were using equal information to reach a logical conclusion, the conclusion should be the same"


    Please explain. No one individual "analyzes" information the same to reach logic and unless there is a written formula to follow which everyone agrees on, their logic may never meet.

    1. Jodi Hoeksel profile image61
      Jodi Hoekselposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Exactly. We each are at our own level of logic. What would be the sence in logic if we all where the same? Each is at their own level we learn, accept, choose, recieve as chosen to move more logic... Then continues and on and on, etc.

      What do think?

      1. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I agree. I don't think there is a "set answer". If there is, maybe it will prove everyone can come together on the same level of logic.

      2. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

        In somes logic, they may refuse to learn. Some may logically think they know everything.

        1. Jodi Hoeksel profile image61
          Jodi Hoekselposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          I hear that.. To me it is the fundamental movement of life... I feel even someone whom could be percieved as having great logic could benifit as well from someone with lessor. I see us moving on planes. I would Love to see the greater majority in divine presence pervading, yet we still bounce off and have opportunities to learn, always.. Point being if I completely knew what to expect from my life every morning I woke... could get boring for sure.

  9. Lisa HW profile image82
    Lisa HWposted 8 years ago

    Saying that the process of logic (when used optimally) is always the same is not the same as saying people are all the same.  If a bunch of people who are all very different, and who all think very differently, were able to use the same level of logic - then the conclusion should turn out to be the same.  That's the thing about logic:  It removes individual differences in thinking, emotions, experiences, etc. and instead is a process.  Not everyone is able to separate themselves from their emotions, and not everyone has an equal skill at using logic.  Still, as far as I can tell (unless there's some really "advanced" mathematical thing I'm not aware of), if a bunch of different people use the same level of skill in logic they will most likely reach the same conclusion.

    1. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      How would so many people get on the same level of thinking? No 2 people think entirely the same. How could 2 people have the same level of skill in logic?

      1. Hawkesdream profile image68
        Hawkesdreamposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        One person can display different levels of logic to different circumstances. In my opinion , logical thought of any one mind is determined on life experience to a similar circumstance.

        1. marinealways24 profile image61
          marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Agreed. I also believe life experience plays a huge role in individual logic. Maybe if I were to get on your logical thought process, I could truly understand your logical perception of life without actually living your life.

          1. Hawkesdream profile image68
            Hawkesdreamposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            Now, theres an interesting concept, however, to understand my logical thought process you would have to deny your own , as your logic could or would interfere with mine.

            1. marinealways24 profile image61
              marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

              I agree. We should do an experiment to see if I can get on your logic. lol

              1. Hawkesdream profile image68
                Hawkesdreamposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                OK how?

                1. marinealways24 profile image61
                  marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

                  Hell, I have no idea. I was hoping you would contribute that part. lol

                2. marinealways24 profile image61
                  marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

                  What topic do you believe you have a "logical" opinion related to a majority logic?

                  1. Hawkesdream profile image68
                    Hawkesdreamposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                    Cant do it that way! logical thinking is the whole spectrum of life..you give me a topic and then I will give a logical opinion,then we can go from there

  10. Lisa HW profile image82
    Lisa HWposted 8 years ago

    "In somes logic, they may refuse to learn. Some may logically think they know everything. "

    Ah.. but if someone is truly logical-minded he will be more aware of all that he doesn't know than someone who is less skilled using logic.   smile

    1. Jodi Hoeksel profile image61
      Jodi Hoekselposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I like your thoughts, and agree.. smile

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      dennisemattposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I must be a superhero at using logic skills, cuz I am very aware of all teh stuff iodnt know!!! I have to say, the politics and religion forums woudl be waaaaaay boring if everyone had/used the same logic.

      1. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Agreed. If everyone was on the same logic, we would never have debate.

    3. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Agreed. How do we know a bar for logic with everyone having a different sense of logic?

  11. andromida profile image75
    andromidaposted 8 years ago

    Logic level varies from person to person due to the differences of  analytical abilities. The best logic can be decided based on the facts that  provide more realistic evidence to support it.

    1. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I partly agree. On another view, what is "fact" to one may not believed as "fact" to the other. Example: The Bible.

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        dennisemattposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        or evoloution, or if fish is meat.....facts get fuzzy with illogical people...

  12. Pete Maida profile image59
    Pete Maidaposted 8 years ago

    What seems logical to people is based on their background and life experience.  People in India may think, and if I'm putting words in the mouth of my Indian friends I apologize, that reincarnation in logical where other may not see it that way.  Americans think it is logical for everyone to have the right to vote; others don't.
    What people think is logical doesn't have a lot to do with the facts.

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    dennisemattposted 8 years ago

    From Wikkipedia...
    "Logic, from the Greek λογική (logiké)[1] is defined by the Penguin Enclyclopedia to be "The formal systematic study of the principles of valid inference and correct reasoning".["

    the problem is..who decides what correct reasoning is?

    1. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      The politicians and lawyers of couse. lol

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        dennisemattposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        OH!! silly me, I should have known...

        1. marinealways24 profile image61
          marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Bet it didn't list that in wikipedia! lol

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            dennisemattposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            How would I know? I copied the definition and moved on. Im not actualy all that concerned about if people see me as logical. I know I am not!!!

            1. marinealways24 profile image61
              marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

              Everyone is logical in their own logic. lol

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                dennisemattposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                this has been fun. I gots to go cook dinner. Have a good time..ill be back on tuesday!!

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    Leta Sposted 8 years ago

    Some say logic is a thing that can be learned...that there are even classes that you can take that lay out basic arguments and fallacies.  Some say that the study of logic goes back to the ancient philosophers even.  Is this logical to think?  wink

    1. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Maybe it's logical to think if one thinks using logic. lol Maybe not so logical when one uses emotions or irrationality.

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    logic,commonsenseposted 8 years ago

    It would be logical to think that logic is logical but not to all.  smile
    Logic is based more on experience and vision, a willingness to be dispassionate when viewing an issue.

    1. marinealways24 profile image61
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      lol nice name! Is it logical to assume you try to use logic rather than irrationality of an emotional decision?

  16. marinealways24 profile image61
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    hmmm, then again, it's not really logical for me to assume anything. lol My logic was vacant causing an irrational assumption. lol

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      Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Marine...lol...I'm writing in between working on a graphic design...  I'd never think that of you! wink  Your statement was logical.

      1. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Ah, Thanks Lita! What if my statement was only logical to you and no one else providing everyone has a different sense of ligic? lol

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          Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah, concerning 'ligic,' there might be a problem, haha.

          1. marinealways24 profile image61
            marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

            Dammit!!! I tried to edit and change that before you posted back! lol

  17. marinealways24 profile image61
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    Yet, the assumption could be based on my logical idea of your logic providing logic for my assumption.

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      Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Could be, wink.  But I doubt it!

  18. marinealways24 profile image61
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    Just for you Lita, I changed it back to Ligic since you beat me to the punch. lol

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      Leta Sposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      smile  Yeah, you have to be quick with ligic, you know...lol

      1. marinealways24 profile image61
        marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

        lol Still trying to find my logic in my ligic. It's not very fair with the "I" being right beside the "O" lol. Then again, this is not a very logical excuse.

 
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