DEBATE OF LOGIC

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   marinealways24posted 14 years ago

   When we make decisions, we make them based on individual logic. Are somes logic more rational than anothers sense of logic? Who and how is to decide if a majority logic is logical?

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      anjalichughposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Nothing is right or wrong....only perception makes it so.

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         marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I would have to disagree and say that something like "rape" or "murder" is pretty wrong. It would be perceived as wrong by the majority, so the majority would see it as wrong making it wrong, right?

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            Davinagirl3posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Right.  Crimes with victims are easy to judge, but what about victimless crimes?

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               marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Example of a victimless crime please.

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                  Davinagirl3posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Possession of marijuana... just as an example.

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                     marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Ahhh you are a bud smoker huh
                     
                     I would say something like that is decided on the politicians/congress majority logic. If 40% wants to legalize and 60% wants it to remain illegal, they would have the majority vote or majority logic. Is this close or was you looking for a different example?

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                        Davinagirl3posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        sounds good to me!

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                           marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Thanks for the question. They should use a sane logic and legalize.

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                              Davinagirl3posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              The drug czar uses statistics, created by the law, against marijuana in order to back up there standing.  Say, a 16 year old gets busted with a bag of weed, goes to jail, pleas to rehab. The government is going to use this kid as a statistic to continue with the status quo.  It's a vicious cycle.

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      Davinagirl3posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Of course the majority logic is not correct.  Most of what the popular consensus would believe is logic is just brought about by propoganda of some sort.

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   Hawkesdreamposted 14 years ago

   Good question, is it logical to think that others are being rational when you think that it is totally illogical to think that way.  One mans meat is another mans poison so what is logical for one is not necessarily logical for another.

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      My thoughts exactly. lol. Our logic may agree on the topic of logic.

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   Hawkesdreamposted 14 years ago

   Seriously though, some peoples logic beggars belief. I asked someone why the drink and drive. I pointed out that their livelihood would be taken away if they are caught.. the response was:-
   I have been doing this for years, and haven't been caught!
   He was caught.2 year ban and £280 fine, asked him how he felt..answer, whats done is done! unbelievable where is the logic in that?

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The logic may have been under the influence. On a serious note, I have no idea why some have a different sense of logic. It is very interesting to me.

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   marinealways24posted 14 years ago

   Maybe our individual logic is how we each individually analyze thoughts to reach a conclusion.

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   Lisa HWposted 14 years ago

   I think logic should be the same for everyone, but the difference is that some people have more and/or more accurate information to factor into their logic - hence, seemingly different logic.

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      How could logic ever be the same for anyone much less everyone on every subject? Please explain. I see this as impossible. lol Maybe majority logic can be reached on some subjects, yet majority is not everyone.

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      Jodi Hoekselposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I see a web in your logic. No?
      
      I feel logic is presence....

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   cheaptrickposted 14 years ago

   hears an example of my girlfriends logic...i say"honey,would you like to go out to dinner?"she says"I'M NOT MY MOTHER!!!".good thing shes not bigger than me...

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I will politely say that women seem to have a "unique" sense of logic.
      
      Who is the child in your picture? He doesn't look very happy.

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         cheaptrickposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         marine,you ain't gonna believe this BUT,that is me at age five i swear.one day I'll wright a hub on why i was so unhappy(its a little complicated)

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   Lisa HWposted 14 years ago

   If everyone were using equal information to reach a logical conclusion, the conclusion should be the same; because logic is a process, and if someone uses it correctly, it's the same as any other mathematical process.
   
   Example:  On a question like, "Should I quit my job?"...   Suppose there are 20 pieces of critical information needed to come to the most logical decision.
   
   If I ask 100 people the question I'll get x number saying "yes" and x number saying "no".
   
   Suppose I add in the information that I have a mortgage, or that, instead, I am independently and vastly wealthy.  The numbers of yes's and no's would change.   What if I add that I'm 25?  How about if I add that I'm 85?  Suppose I add that I have 10 kids.  Suppose I add that x number are under 16.  What if, instead, I have 10 kids over 40 years old?  What if I change the question to "should I quit this month or next year?"
   
   The person who had knowledge of all the critical pieces of information could reach a logical conclusion, provided that person was good at using logic.  Two people equally skilled at using logic would reach the same conclusion.  (Remember that logic is independent of people's personal preferences, emotions, experiences, etc.)
   
   With only the initial question nobody would have sufficient information to come up with a solid, logical, answer; so they'd have to just go by their own leanings/preferences.

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   marinealways24posted 14 years ago

   "If everyone were using equal information to reach a logical conclusion, the conclusion should be the same"
   
   
   Please explain. No one individual "analyzes" information the same to reach logic and unless there is a written formula to follow which everyone agrees on, their logic may never meet.

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      Jodi Hoekselposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Exactly. We each are at our own level of logic. What would be the sence in logic if we all where the same? Each is at their own level we learn, accept, choose, recieve as chosen to move more logic... Then continues and on and on, etc.
      
      What do think?

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         marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I agree. I don't think there is a "set answer". If there is, maybe it will prove everyone can come together on the same level of logic.

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         marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         In somes logic, they may refuse to learn. Some may logically think they know everything.

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            Jodi Hoekselposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I hear that.. To me it is the fundamental movement of life... I feel even someone whom could be percieved as having great logic could benifit as well from someone with lessor. I see us moving on planes. I would Love to see the greater majority in divine presence pervading, yet we still bounce off and have opportunities to learn, always.. Point being if I completely knew what to expect from my life every morning I woke... could get boring for sure.

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   Lisa HWposted 14 years ago

   Saying that the process of logic (when used optimally) is always the same is not the same as saying people are all the same.  If a bunch of people who are all very different, and who all think very differently, were able to use the same level of logic - then the conclusion should turn out to be the same.  That's the thing about logic:  It removes individual differences in thinking, emotions, experiences, etc. and instead is a process.  Not everyone is able to separate themselves from their emotions, and not everyone has an equal skill at using logic.  Still, as far as I can tell (unless there's some really "advanced" mathematical thing I'm not aware of), if a bunch of different people use the same level of skill in logic they will most likely reach the same conclusion.

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      How would so many people get on the same level of thinking? No 2 people think entirely the same. How could 2 people have the same level of skill in logic?

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         Hawkesdreamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         One person can display different levels of logic to different circumstances. In my opinion , logical thought of any one mind is determined on life experience to a similar circumstance.

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            marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Agreed. I also believe life experience plays a huge role in individual logic. Maybe if I were to get on your logical thought process, I could truly understand your logical perception of life without actually living your life.

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               Hawkesdreamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Now, theres an interesting concept, however, to understand my logical thought process you would have to deny your own , as your logic could or would interfere with mine.

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                  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  I agree. We should do an experiment to see if I can get on your logic. lol

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                     Hawkesdreamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     OK how?

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                        marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Hell, I have no idea. I was hoping you would contribute that part.

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                        marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        What topic do you believe you have a "logical" opinion related to a majority logic?

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                           Hawkesdreamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Cant do it that way! logical thinking is the whole spectrum of life..you give me a topic and then I will give a logical opinion,then we can go from there

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                              marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Abortion, do you think it's right or wrong? Why?

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                                 Hawkesdreamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 Ahh! Logically, there are reasons why abortion is the right thing for some women, this reasoning comes about entirely from a medical point of view, where the health of one could be detrimental to the other.
                                 On a personal level, I do not agree with abortion, having tried and lost, there are so many families desperate for a family, that 'social' abortion, abortion for no other reason, than the 'I dont want it' mentality, should not be tolerated, especially as other arrangements such as adoption can be made.

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                                    marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    Ok, remember this is an experiment lol. I have no set plan. Try to give me some questions about abortion. I will try to answer assuming your logical answer.

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                                       Hawkesdreamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       An eighteen year old gets pregnant, she doesnt like contraception and refuses to protect herself. Pregnancy is not wanted, she applys for an abortion..Is this right??

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                                          marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                          lol you may have given me too easy of a question from what I previously read. I will attempt an answer on my assumption of your logical answer to the question.
                                          
                                          I think you would say that the girl should not be allowed abortion without proper reason. I believe proper reason in your logic would either be health issues that may kill the mother or maybe in an instance of rape. Maybe you would have abortion illegal to those using abortion as birth control. If the mother was not in any health risk or had been raped, possible she should be forced to have the child rather than abortion. If she doesn't want the child, she should still have the child and give it up for adoption if the child is still unwanted. I don't know how I did, hopefully didn't say anything offensive.

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    Lisa HWposted 14 years ago

    "In somes logic, they may refuse to learn. Some may logically think they know everything. "
    
    Ah.. but if someone is truly logical-minded he will be more aware of all that he doesn't know than someone who is less skilled using logic.   

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       Jodi Hoekselposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I like your thoughts, and agree..

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       dennisemattposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I must be a superhero at using logic skills, cuz I am very aware of all teh stuff iodnt know!!! I have to say, the politics and religion forums woudl be waaaaaay boring if everyone had/used the same logic.

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          marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Agreed. If everyone was on the same logic, we would never have debate.

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       marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Agreed. How do we know a bar for logic with everyone having a different sense of logic?

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    andromidaposted 14 years ago

    Logic level varies from person to person due to the differences of  analytical abilities. The best logic can be decided based on the facts that  provide more realistic evidence to support it.

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       marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I partly agree. On another view, what is "fact" to one may not believed as "fact" to the other. Example: The Bible.

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          dennisemattposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          or evoloution, or if fish is meat.....facts get fuzzy with illogical people...

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    Pete Maidaposted 14 years ago

    What seems logical to people is based on their background and life experience.  People in India may think, and if I'm putting words in the mouth of my Indian friends I apologize, that reincarnation in logical where other may not see it that way.  Americans think it is logical for everyone to have the right to vote; others don't.
    What people think is logical doesn't have a lot to do with the facts.

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    dennisemattposted 14 years ago

    From Wikkipedia...
    "Logic, from the Greek λογική (logiké)[1] is defined by the Penguin Enclyclopedia to be "The formal systematic study of the principles of valid inference and correct reasoning".["
    
    the problem is..who decides what correct reasoning is?

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       marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       The politicians and lawyers of couse.

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          dennisemattposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          OH!! silly me, I should have known...

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             marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Bet it didn't list that in wikipedia!

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                dennisemattposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                How would I know? I copied the definition and moved on. Im not actualy all that concerned about if people see me as logical. I know I am not!!!

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                   marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Everyone is logical in their own logic. lol

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                      dennisemattposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      this has been fun. I gots to go cook dinner. Have a good time..ill be back on tuesday!!

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    Leta Sposted 14 years ago

    Some say logic is a thing that can be learned...that there are even classes that you can take that lay out basic arguments and fallacies.  Some say that the study of logic goes back to the ancient philosophers even.  Is this logical to think? 

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       marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Maybe it's logical to think if one thinks using logic. Maybe not so logical when one uses emotions or irrationality.

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    logic,commonsenseposted 14 years ago

    It would be logical to think that logic is logical but not to all. 
    Logic is based more on experience and vision, a willingness to be dispassionate when viewing an issue.

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       marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       lol nice name! Is it logical to assume you try to use logic rather than irrationality of an emotional decision?

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    marinealways24posted 14 years ago

    hmmm, then again, it's not really logical for me to assume anything. lol My logic was vacant causing an irrational assumption.

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       Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Marine...lol...I'm writing in between working on a graphic design...  I'd never think that of you!   Your statement was logical.

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          marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Ah, Thanks Lita! What if my statement was only logical to you and no one else providing everyone has a different sense of ligic? lol

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             Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Yeah, concerning 'ligic,' there might be a problem, haha.

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                marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Dammit!!! I tried to edit and change that before you posted back!

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    marinealways24posted 14 years ago

    Yet, the assumption could be based on my logical idea of your logic providing logic for my assumption.

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       Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Could be, .  But I doubt it!

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    marinealways24posted 14 years ago

    Just for you Lita, I changed it back to Ligic since you beat me to the punch.

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       Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Yeah, you have to be quick with ligic, you know...lol

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          marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Still trying to find my logic in my ligic. It's not very fair with the "I" being right beside the "O" lol. Then again, this is not a very logical excuse.

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