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Wanna know why this topic is closed for discussion??

  1. JonTutor profile image53
    JonTutorposted 8 years ago

    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/19061?page=8#post300434

    That guy resorts to ad hominem against liberals... I wanna know why his mocking statement is allowed.... and I can't respond to it.

  2. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 8 years ago

    I guess it was getting too personal. Ignore the yappy dog and you will be happy smile

    1. JonTutor profile image53
      JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      He keeps going after liberals like SweetiePie and Lita.... when they respond they seem "mean" compared to the "nice" replies of other conservatives who aren't at the recieving end.... liberal folks need to speak out too. smile

  3. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 8 years ago

    I have tried but it's like hitting your head against a brick wall.

    1. JonTutor profile image53
      JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Did it hurt.... I'm gonna relax then. smile

  4. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 8 years ago

    I find it best not to respond to him, although I sometimes find the temptation too hard to resist. I can't take anything he says seriously.

    1. JonTutor profile image53
      JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks for the advice. smile

  5. Lisa HW profile image83
    Lisa HWposted 8 years ago

    The person in question does the same kind of thing to fellow Conservatives from time to time.  It just may not be showing up in recent threads.  It's his "forum style".   smile

    Ideally, both Liberals and Conservatives would have their (reasonable) voices heard (even if things got a little heated at times).  It's too bad, though, that attempts at "legitimate discussion" so often dissolve into what they do.    hmm  (I have to admit, though, there's something really entertaining about an unreasonable knock-down/drag-out.   smile   ).

  6. JonTutor profile image53
    JonTutorposted 8 years ago

    Gotta agree some folks are entertaining.... I miss Usmanali lol

  7. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 8 years ago

    Let's not get carried away smile

    1. JonTutor profile image53
      JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      His freemason mania was hilarious lol

    2. kirstenblog profile image75
      kirstenblogposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Awwww Please can we? Pretty please? With sugar on top?
      Its fun to get carried away big_smiletongue

      1. JonTutor profile image53
        JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Done..... now you're in mars. lol

  8. girly_girl09 profile image69
    girly_girl09posted 8 years ago

    I do not agree with disrespectful attacks towards anyone, especially towards someone's character when they are attempting to respectfully present their viewpoints. While we're on the topic of ad hominem attacks, I don't think anyone can deny that they are exclusive to conservatives. Unfortunately, they are practiced by both sides on a frequent basis. I wish we could keep this out of HP all together.

    1. JonTutor profile image53
      JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      How unpleasant has been your experience with him compared to sweetiepie or lita?.... his discussion tactics are primarily aimed at liberals.... unless you haven't noticed who practices it more against whom.... both sides aren't equal. smile

      1. girly_girl09 profile image69
        girly_girl09posted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I wasn't referring to HP. More so the media. I have had many personal ad hominem attacks off of this site. It is the nature of politics. I have been written negatively about in political blogs and quoted in D.C. tabloids. So, I've had a few unpleasant experiences. But, I understand that is the nature of political debate. There is a much larger political world outside of HP. It happens everywhere. If I started receiving attacks on character on this site, of course I wouldn't like it. But, I'm used to it.

        Either way, it certainly isn't right and of course I don't condone it, no matter the format and irregardless of who it is directed towards.

        1. JonTutor profile image53
          JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          We agree on civil discussion format.... but politics.... we can agree to disagree. lol

          1. girly_girl09 profile image69
            girly_girl09posted 8 years ago in reply to this

            Fair enough. big_smile And please, if you ever see me making a personal attack towards Obama or any other person that I do not agree with, call me out on it. (It'll never happen - that is just not how I operate - I'm all facts based). big_smile

            1. JonTutor profile image53
              JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              You know right... "facts"/"statistics" can imply what we wanna say. lol

              1. girly_girl09 profile image69
                girly_girl09posted 8 years ago in reply to this

                Certainly. lol I mean text from the actual legislation. That, itself, is very indisputable. That is what I base my opinions (and concerns) off of.

                1. JonTutor profile image53
                  JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                  A "text" gonna have multiple aspects.... pick what is convenient.... supporting my view point....  and ignore the rest.... gotta leave now.....  nice talking to you.... you're smart. smile

                  1. JonTutor profile image53
                    JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

                    Also gonna add.... same text but interpretation makes a lot of difference. smile

  9. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 8 years ago

    Well, I know I've said it before but I'm done with the politics forum here. I only get aggravation out of it smile

    1. JonTutor profile image53
      JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Take it easy.... watch some funny youtube videos..... May I suggest Sarah Palin SNL  smile

  10. Cls1321 profile image59
    Cls1321posted 8 years ago

    hey, look at that. You two actually know how to disagree and talk respectively. If only certain individuals on the forums in question could learn that skill. Instead they stick with the "I'm right all the time and even if you prove me wrong I won't back down and will just start making personal attacks on you" attitude.

    1. JonTutor profile image53
      JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Maybe those folks get there kicks online..... I wanna simply learn and discuss...... and girly does have a good grasp of what she is talking... I admire smart folks. smile

  11. tksensei profile image61
    tksenseiposted 8 years ago

    Best to point out such things when you see them. That way all can see if there really is an ad hominem 'attack' or if someone is interpreting anything in opposition to his or her opinion as an 'attack' and/or has deliberately decided to make the discussion about him or herself.

  12. kirstenblog profile image75
    kirstenblogposted 8 years ago

    big_smiletongue

    1. JonTutor profile image53
      JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Good job.... We always send "non humans" first.... now mars is safe for us. smile

      1. kirstenblog profile image75
        kirstenblogposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        ROFLMFAO! tongue

        1. JonTutor profile image53
          JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          lol

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    Leta Sposted 8 years ago

    Just came across this...

    Jon, ignore the one in question if you possibly can.  Too many have tried and failed to call him out (although everyone knows).  Take my word for it.  He's the reason, ie, some no longer are on the forums by choice....  And they won't get rid of him.

    My one hub, on the spirit vs. the letter of the law is about this situation.

    One of the graphic designers I work with didn't show up for to work for two days.  Just because.  He's still employed.  ie, some get away with it, some are doubly censored.  And sometimes management is blind or turns a blind eye.

    1. SweetiePie profile image83
      SweetiePieposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I agree with much of what you say.  Personally I am just not letting him bother me as he seems to enjoy asking way too many questions.  I need to learn not to participate on certain threads.  It seems really important for certain people to always be right, if you know what I mean, and his need really drives the inquisitions smile.

    2. JonTutor profile image53
      JonTutorposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks I'm gonna watch out.... maybe this topic also gonna be considered as "personal attack".... gotta be careful. smile

 
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