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   JonTutorposted 14 years ago

   http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/19061?page=8#post300434
   
   That guy resorts to ad hominem against liberals... I wanna know why his mocking statement is allowed.... and I can't respond to it.

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   Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago

   I guess it was getting too personal. Ignore the yappy dog and you will be happy

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      JonTutorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      He keeps going after liberals like SweetiePie and Lita.... when they respond they seem "mean" compared to the "nice" replies of other conservatives who aren't at the recieving end.... liberal folks need to speak out too.

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   Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago

   I have tried but it's like hitting your head against a brick wall.

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      JonTutorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Did it hurt.... I'm gonna relax then.

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   Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago

   I find it best not to respond to him, although I sometimes find the temptation too hard to resist. I can't take anything he says seriously.

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      JonTutorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for the advice.

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   Lisa HWposted 14 years ago

   The person in question does the same kind of thing to fellow Conservatives from time to time.  It just may not be showing up in recent threads.  It's his "forum style".   
   
   Ideally, both Liberals and Conservatives would have their (reasonable) voices heard (even if things got a little heated at times).  It's too bad, though, that attempts at "legitimate discussion" so often dissolve into what they do.      (I have to admit, though, there's something really entertaining about an unreasonable knock-down/drag-out.      ).

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   JonTutorposted 14 years ago

   Gotta agree some folks are entertaining.... I miss Usmanali

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   Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago

   Let's not get carried away

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      JonTutorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      His freemason mania was hilarious

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      kirstenblogposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Awwww Please can we? Pretty please? With sugar on top?
      Its fun to get carried away

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         JonTutorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Done..... now you're in mars.

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   girly_girl09posted 14 years ago

   I do not agree with disrespectful attacks towards anyone, especially towards someone's character when they are attempting to respectfully present their viewpoints. While we're on the topic of ad hominem attacks, I don't think anyone can deny that they are exclusive to conservatives. Unfortunately, they are practiced by both sides on a frequent basis. I wish we could keep this out of HP all together.

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      JonTutorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      How unpleasant has been your experience with him compared to sweetiepie or lita?.... his discussion tactics are primarily aimed at liberals.... unless you haven't noticed who practices it more against whom.... both sides aren't equal.

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         girly_girl09posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I wasn't referring to HP. More so the media. I have had many personal ad hominem attacks off of this site. It is the nature of politics. I have been written negatively about in political blogs and quoted in D.C. tabloids. So, I've had a few unpleasant experiences. But, I understand that is the nature of political debate. There is a much larger political world outside of HP. It happens everywhere. If I started receiving attacks on character on this site, of course I wouldn't like it. But, I'm used to it.
         
         Either way, it certainly isn't right and of course I don't condone it, no matter the format and irregardless of who it is directed towards.

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            JonTutorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            We agree on civil discussion format.... but politics.... we can agree to disagree.

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               girly_girl09posted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Fair enough. And please, if you ever see me making a personal attack towards Obama or any other person that I do not agree with, call me out on it. (It'll never happen - that is just not how I operate - I'm all facts based).

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                  JonTutorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  You know right... "facts"/"statistics" can imply what we wanna say.

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                     girly_girl09posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Certainly. lol I mean text from the actual legislation. That, itself, is very indisputable. That is what I base my opinions (and concerns) off of.

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                        JonTutorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        A "text" gonna have multiple aspects.... pick what is convenient.... supporting my view point....  and ignore the rest.... gotta leave now.....  nice talking to you.... you're smart.

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                           JonTutorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Also gonna add.... same text but interpretation makes a lot of difference.

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   Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago

   Well, I know I've said it before but I'm done with the politics forum here. I only get aggravation out of it

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      JonTutorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Take it easy.... watch some funny youtube videos..... May I suggest Sarah Palin SNL 

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    Cls1321posted 14 years ago

    hey, look at that. You two actually know how to disagree and talk respectively. If only certain individuals on the forums in question could learn that skill. Instead they stick with the "I'm right all the time and even if you prove me wrong I won't back down and will just start making personal attacks on you" attitude.

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       JonTutorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Maybe those folks get there kicks online..... I wanna simply learn and discuss...... and girly does have a good grasp of what she is talking... I admire smart folks.

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    tksenseiposted 14 years ago

    Best to point out such things when you see them. That way all can see if there really is an ad hominem 'attack' or if someone is interpreting anything in opposition to his or her opinion as an 'attack' and/or has deliberately decided to make the discussion about him or herself.

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    kirstenblogposted 14 years ago

    

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       JonTutorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Good job.... We always send "non humans" first.... now mars is safe for us.

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          kirstenblogposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          ROFLMFAO!

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             JonTutorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             

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    Leta Sposted 14 years ago

    Just came across this...
    
    Jon, ignore the one in question if you possibly can.  Too many have tried and failed to call him out (although everyone knows).  Take my word for it.  He's the reason, ie, some no longer are on the forums by choice....  And they won't get rid of him.
    
    My one hub, on the spirit vs. the letter of the law is about this situation.
    
    One of the graphic designers I work with didn't show up for to work for two days.  Just because.  He's still employed.  ie, some get away with it, some are doubly censored.  And sometimes management is blind or turns a blind eye.

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       SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I agree with much of what you say.  Personally I am just not letting him bother me as he seems to enjoy asking way too many questions.  I need to learn not to participate on certain threads.  It seems really important for certain people to always be right, if you know what I mean, and his need really drives the inquisitions .

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       JonTutorposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks I'm gonna watch out.... maybe this topic also gonna be considered as "personal attack".... gotta be careful.

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