Depression, A dengerous symptom. Are you ready to fight it?

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   TommyGuyposted 17 years ago

   I was checking out the idea bank for new hub idea. Then I came across "depression Self help" topic.
   
   A few years back, I lost a friend because of depression. He killed him self. I was devastated because he actually did came to me, seeking help. Not openly. But he tried to tell me his feelings. All the signs of depression was there, but I choose to ignore them. To take it lightly. Then one day, he killed himself. Just like that. Alone and depressed.
   
   I took depression lightly and I lost a friend. You guy, choose not to do that. I've write a small article about self help for depressive person, do read it. If you have anything to add, please feel free to do so
   
   http://hubpages.com/hub/Depression_Self … eral_guide

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   tshirtsceneposted 17 years ago

   I'll go check your hub, I've recently had a friend diagnosed with clicnical depression. Should help me to understand a bit more, thanks.

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   thecounterpunchposted 17 years ago

   My father who was a doctor used to say: "Never go to see the psychiatrist you may get out even madder"
   
   By the way look at this:
   http://hubpages.com/hub/Strange__Funny_ … at_the_end

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   TommyGuyposted 17 years ago

   Hahah! That was funny CounterPunch. But on a more serious note, what your father said might apply during his times. But world today is a much harder place to live i. Some people do need help to cope up.
   
   And that my friend, is no laughing matter.
   
   tshirtscene,
   
   I do hope the little article I wrote do help. Cheers!

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   thecounterpunchposted 17 years ago

   "But world today is a much harder place to live i. Some people do need help to cope up."
   
   Yes that's true. But what's the cure ? Telling them : "cheer up" is just a psychological placebo that won't change things fundamentally for them that's the very reason their depression won't really go any better and even worse because people would think it's just "psychological".
   
   So cure the root cause: help the world be a better place. There's no hope for you and above all your children if you just keep thinking that you don't have any responsability about what's going on around  the world. You have big responsability by believing the medias, not enquiring by yourself. We can do a lot if people have knowledge. This article helps you here:
   
   http://hubpages.com/hub/Why_Democracy_d … us_of_this
   
   Learn yourself then learn to others to spread the world, that's the only way to prevent abuse from political and business powers which have consequences on everyday's life people like unemployment, loss of retirement etc. ... and so dispute in family and then depression.

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   TommyGuyposted 17 years ago

   TheCounterPunch,
   
   I think you are misunderstanding the term "Clinical Depression".
   
   It is an illness. It is a state of a person who fee depressed, sad, lonely, lazy, suicidal for NO REASON AT ALL. It is a valid sickness and has to be treated.
   
   Since it is a psychological condition, it has to be treated accordingly too. Our ancestors used to call these types of symptoms as being possessed by demons and such. But now we know, it is a mental condition only. And can be treated too.
   
   I used to think like you. That the depression is just an effect, a by-product of some other greater symptoms. It is not necessarily so. That is why, whenever applicable I use the term"Clinical Depression" not just depression.

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   thecounterpunchposted 17 years ago

   "suicidal for NO REASON AT ALL" ?
   
   Like at Columbine High School where 2 students suicide and kill others for "NO REASON AT ALL" ?
   
   Well maybe people should look behind what Gov and Media claim to be "UNEXPLAINED Random Shooting":
   
   http://hubpages.com/hub/OBE_Outcome_Bas … e_Religion
   About OBE (Outcome Based Education), Cult of Death of New Age and the Columbine High School massacre.

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      TommyGuyposted 17 years agoin reply to this

      Again, you are misunderstanding me totally. You are making blanket statement here.
      
      I am not denying that there are people who get depressed to the verge of suicide for external reason. hundreds of farmers in India commit suicide every day because of bad weather, not enough seeds, price hike in petroleum, etc.
      
      Likewise, there are many other external phenomena that might cause depression. I am not denying it
      
      These problems should be handled as such. The root cause of these should be addressed and resolved.
      
      But my post was not about this socio-cultural suicidal depression. I wrote about clinical depression, which is equally fatal and should be treated by professionals. Since it is a psychological condition, it should be treated as such too.
      
      Now, are you denying the fact that clinical depression (a situation where the patient feels lazy, lonely, sad, useless, depress for NO REASON AT ALL) exists?
      
      Maddie Ruud and Spuds,
      
      Thanks

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         thecounterpunchposted 17 years agoin reply to this

         http://hubpages.com/hub/Demings_experiment
         
         As Deming puts it, you "confuse special causes with common causes"
         
         Don't have time to detail, have to go to work

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   Maddie Ruudposted 17 years ago

   counterpunch, it was phrased oddly, but give tommy the benefit of the doubt, here.  we know what he meant... clinical depression is different from normal sadness caused by everyday occurences.  it is chemical as well as environmental, and needs to be taken seriously.

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   spudsposted 17 years ago

   Depression is serious. Great hub!

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    Maddie Ruudposted 17 years ago

    Call me Maddie.  My full name makes me feel like I'm six years old, getting called up to the front of the class... or worse... sent to the principal's office.

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       TommyGuyposted 17 years agoin reply to this

       Maddie it is, then
       
       Nice to meet you Maddie.

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    Maddie Ruudposted 17 years ago

    you also, Tommy.  can i bum a cigarette?

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       TommyGuyposted 17 years agoin reply to this

       maddie,
       
       I wish you could. But there is no cigarettes. Not anymore. I am smoking, no more. 158 days and counting
       
       and CounterPunch,
       
       I did not get you. Come again?
       
       anyway, let me put up my question again. Its a direct one.
       
       Are you denying the existence of "clinical depression"? Are you denying that people do get depressed (lonely, lazy, suicidal) with no reason whatsoever?

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          thecounterpunchposted 17 years agoin reply to this

          OK I come again I'm not denying the existece of clinical depression, as well Deming is not denying that they are are depressed/bad worker. What Deming says is that people tend to attribute the ROOT CAUSE of the behavior to the individual himself instead of looking at the system around including the Manager's Behavior (or the family, friends, if at home). It is very fashionable today to tell people to "take responsability" upon themselves.
          
          For example 2 days ago someone posted an article on Hubpages - I don't remember where though - where he claimed that when you lose your job, don't cry it's your fault. Oh so it would be worker's fault if one day the Wall Street Sharks fall upon a firm asking 30% return on investment which means to lay off thousand of them because it's impossible economicaly with a nearly "zero growth" economy.
          
          When you encounter someone who is depressed, well you and me are annoyed, so it's convenient to hear him a few moments or even a few days and tell him go to see a doctor whereas the doctor will just recite a psychological mantra which will make him better on short term, then he will fall again into depression since the root cause is still there. He won't come back to see us again as he knows the answer: go and see the doctor once again.
          
          The root cause is society. But society is like God for many people: they don't dare to criticize it fundamentally: we are already heading towards a Drakka Society:
          http://hubpages.com/hub/The_Domination_by_SM_Stirling
          "all is done to maintain ignorance through values of apparent democracy by allowing and even encouraging some form of criticism for the people: but only the "tactical" form of criticism (e.g. freedom of speech and association ) whereas the fundamental form (e.g. of serfdom) is not permitted."

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             Maddie Ruudposted 17 years agoin reply to this

             did you have a bad therapist once or something?  not all psychologists have their heads up their behinds.
             
             and i agree, we need to change society.  but we have this amazing thing called metacognition which helps us process when the change is slow to come.

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             Power Advisorposted 17 years agoin reply to this

             I agree, I feel that more often than not, society has a cruel way of treating individuals. People are so obsessed with "norms" when the truth is that there is no "norm" when it comes to humans. No 2 people in this world are exactly alike, yet those who find like-minded individuals find no problem with banding together to put down others who are not like them.
             
             The ways of society can break even the strongest person. I am not a hateful or vengeful person. But sometimes when I see the way people of this world act and treat others, it brings about feelings and thoughts that I work so hard on a daily basis not to have. Sometimes the things I see make me feel hatred towards certain people or races or genders or whatever. And sometimes, though I strive to be an honest and helpful person, and I work hard to reach my goals, the ways of society beat me down until I feel it's almost impossible to succeed.
             
             Every time I turn on the news, some has died, been killed, been kidnapped, or raped or molested...this is enough to depress anyone! And then I look at our society, which is so good at turning a blind eye when it comes to issues like how we're ruining the environment, how we're ignoring the mass genocide going on in other countries. Sometimes people's unwillingness to make things better sickens me to the point where I don't even want to claim that I'm a member of the same species!
             
             Clinical depression does exist, and I believe it's caused by things like this. There is a blanket of hopelessness that covers our world. Despite the few who try to do good, the bad done far outweighs anything else. I am engaged, soon to be married, and my fiancee and I very much want children. But with the way this world is going, we're a bit scared about bringing our children into it. Sometimes I feel the safest and happiest way to live is within the walls of my own home.  But I know that this won't work, because I'm a social creature and I need interaction with others. Not to mention, problems have a way of showing up on your doorstep, whether you invite them or not.
             
             Yes, I believe that man, and our greedy and gluttonous, self-absorbed ways, can be linked to much of the depression being suffered in this world. Think of what the world would be like if people just lived and let live? If people weren't so cruel as to put another human down for being of a different race or nationality? If Corporate America was more considerate of its workers? If we were all willing to look past our own little bubbles and reach out to those around us? I guarantee you that society wouldn't have as many of the problems that it has now! And with fewer problems on the grand scale, you can bet there would be more neutral individuals, calmer, less moody, less stressed, less depressed individuals.

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    Maddie Ruudposted 17 years ago

    um, counterpunch, maybe i shoulda worn my hair up today to catch everything that goes over my head, but...
    
    i fail to see how what you said follows from the conversation at hand.

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    TommyGuyposted 17 years ago

    Again, you are posting totally irrelevant thing. There is no "root cause" in clinical depression. that is why it is being define as
    
    "...the feeling of laziness, unworthiness, anxiety, loneliness, fear etc FOR NO REASON AT ALL..."
    
    To treat this one, you have to go to a Doctor. a certified psychologists. And, I am really sorry to break up your version of "perfect vision of psychologists", they do not usually recite any psychological mantra unless it is very necessary. For "clinical depression" they might prescribe medication and suggest change of lifestyle. That is as much as I know.
    
    Again, I am referring to "Clinical Depression" only. There are other type of socio-politic and economic depression which we might want to look at the "root cause"
    
    Again, there is no "external cause" for Clinical Depression

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    Power Advisorposted 17 years ago

    Hello all! I'm fairly new to HubPages, but not the topics being discussed here. I too have lost more than one friend to depression, and in more than one way. I now have a brother who I haven't seen or heard from in years, though we were very close before he left home. He was going through something that the family and I didn't recognize (my sister and I being a bit young, and my father not understanding). Now it has been more than 10 years since I last say him, and more than 2 years since speaking to him on the phone. We don't even know if he's still alive....
    
    Because of this, and because of other things going on in our lives, I really got into researching depression and anxiety, how they really affect people, what the best methods are for helping someone suffering from depression. What I found was enlightening. A person doesn't always need a licensed therapist (though if to the point of suicidal thoughts, that may be necessary) or medication to cope. Sometimes, just knowing that others care and will not be judgmental can be the biggest help in the world. More often than not, I've seen and heard of cases where a loved one realized all too late what was going on. All too often I hear things like "the signs were there, but I wasn't seeing them..." Sometimes all it takes is just a little more awareness on our part, the friends or loved ones of those suffering.
    
    I have created a website and forum where these topics can be freely discussed, without worry of being judged or criticized for actions or feelings. I would like to encourage everyone here, and anyone you think may be suffering from depression, anxiety, over-aggression or serious emotional crises that can bring these on, to visit my site and forums and express themselves. I'm offering simply life-coaching, and I hope to build a community where group support can be given and received by all. If interested, visit online at www.thesuccessmindset.net, and click on group support.
    
    I also study and offer life-coaching in the areas of positive thinking, goal-setting, focus and concentration and so on. We're currently gathering resources (breaking news and so forth) that everyone can benefit from. 
    
    I'm enjoying the discussion here, and hope that perhaps I can offer help here as well. And of course, anyone can feel free to contact me anytime! I work from home, am always available, and my "door" is always open!
    
    -PA

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