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  1. thecounterpunch profile image60
    thecounterpunchposted 11 years ago
  2. Mark Knowles profile image61
    Mark Knowlesposted 11 years ago

    And these morons are doing it voluntarily.

    1. thecounterpunch profile image60
      thecounterpunchposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      According to this french media it is WE THE PEOPLE who want that kind of solutions big_smile This is clearly a demonstration of "Public Opinion" artificially crafted by the medias:

      I translate just this paragraph from french:
      "Différentes organisations internationales de défense des droits de l’homme cherchent à sensibiliser les citoyens sur les risques de ce type de technologie. Un travail plutôt difficile dans le contexte actuel, car la population trouve de plus en plus légitime ces tatouages électroniques qui aident les autorités dans leur chasse contre le crime."

      to english:
      "Several International Human Rights Organisations try to warn the citizens about the risk of that kind of technologies.But their work is hard within current context AS THE POPULATION THINK THAT IT IS MORE AND MORE LEGITIMATE THESE ELECTRONIC TATOOS WHICH HELP THE AUTHORITIES TO CHASE THE CRIME" !

  3. Mark Knowles profile image61
    Mark Knowlesposted 11 years ago

    They believe the propaganda - they grew up with it. Just watch Fox news from the US.  Suffice to say, I pay cash for everything ;D

    1. thecounterpunch profile image60
      thecounterpunchposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Fox news is not dangerous because you can SEE the propaganda. The french media "Le Monde" or the "New York Times" are much more dangerous because they seem to be neutral and even sound "leftist"  whereas they are infiltrated by neo-cons and neo-fascist like Brzezinski who makes some editorial for the New York Times ( http://hubpages.com/search/brzezinski ).

  4. Mark Knowles profile image61
    Mark Knowlesposted 11 years ago

    True, but Fox news is on all day, every day, all over the US and whether we like it or not, influencing that many people, that often, to the point where they do not object to having 50% of their taxes being spent on the military, you have a problem. You can see it for what it is, but the American public take it as gospel - or at least enough of them to confuse the issue.

    The same problem exists in the UK also - But it has never been any different - just because it's written in the Times, doesn't make it any less propaganda.

    I never watch TV or read a newspaper - because I do not believe it is news - any of it.

    1. Paraglider profile image94
      Paragliderposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Yet you still know what they promulgate? Neat trick. If it worked with text books I'd have ten degrees by now!

      Methinks you don't really mean that wink

  5. Mark Knowles profile image61
    Mark Knowlesposted 11 years ago

    Yes, I do. They have not changed their tune since they were created. Let me guess? Spend more, buy more, these are the bad guys, trust us, we need more control over you?

    Read 1984 - It is still the same.

    1. wychic profile image87
      wychicposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Sadly you have a point there...a friend of mine recently ridiculed me for refusing to buy a vehicle with OnStar installed (in case anyone is unfamiliar with OnStar, it's a GPS tracker that allows a third party to locate a vehicle and do anything you could with a remote such as unlock doors or start the vehicle), and I agree that if the government were perfect I wouldn't care if they knew my every move but since it's run by humans that just isn't the case. I have a cell phone, I use a debit card, but I can leave any of those behind at will...I live in the middle of Wyoming, I can't get very far if I leave my vehicle behind.

      Another friend has tried to convince my that human microchipping is a sign of the end times (much like the hundred or so comments left on that video clip suggest....or scream out), I don't know about that but I do know I'm fully capable of living in the mountains or the badlands if they ever try to force something like that on me. But who can resist free drinks? That sounds like an excellent price for your freedom.

    2. Paraglider profile image94
      Paragliderposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Read it in the 60s, and again, just for fun in 1984 of course. It describes a dystopia of total control by eugenics and mass brainwashing. It was a warning of how bad things could become, but they never did. Of course we're not in a utopia either, but to go along with the conspiracy theorists is defeatist and disempowering.

      I've worked in Broadcasting all my life. There is a great deal of accurate and valuable material in the News. Better than watching none is to watch a range - BBC, Al Jazeera, CNN, etc. and apply judgment, no?

  6. Mark Knowles profile image61
    Mark Knowlesposted 11 years ago

    I too have strong connections in the "news" arena. You too then must be well aware that a good proportion of the news is actually a press release from somewhere? These are included almost verbatim and touted as "news." I have, in the past done as you suggest and finally came to the conclusion that I would become less upset and irate if I simply ignored them.

    The governments and news media are working to their own agenda that I no longer believe has anything to do with my well-being.

    BBC and the Times included. These are two I used to believe provided genuine information. No longer big_smile

    We are headed towards the 1984 scenario, we just haven't quite got there yet. Look at all the scaremongering over the new "terrorists" And why? because the Russians are no longer a threat. If they ever were?

    This is what my government has done or is trying to introduce:
    Mandatory biometric ID cards
    CCTV cameras covering much of the country with biometric identification facilities
    Refusing to bring Rupert Murdoch before the Monopolies commission, despite the fact that he is breaking the law by owning the proportion of the British media that he does
    Increased spending on nuclear armaments, despite the fact that there is no apparent threat
    Silly laws regarding what you may or may not take onto a plane and increased taxes to cover the cost

    I could go on, but I am getting upset again big_smile

    It has become increasingly difficult, especially for our young people to sort through the misinformation from the gov and the media, to the point where we have a MAJOR problem with our teenagers. They are not as stupid as the gov treats them and London has one of the highest crimes against the person rates in Europe.

    Working in my best interests? I don't think so.

    I do not like the term conspiracy. I think "actively pursuing an agenda to satisfy the needs of the large corporations whilst spreading as much dis-information as possible," would be more accurate. Take a look at this video:


    It will help explain the reasons behind all these things. The minute we stop consuming and bowing to the controls, the present system will fall apart - They will do almost anything to prevent this.

  7. Paraglider profile image94
    Paragliderposted 11 years ago

    So, do you ever watch Al Jazeera?

  8. Mark Knowles profile image61
    Mark Knowlesposted 11 years ago

    I have seen it and it is just as bad - but from a different perspective. smile I have heard all the hezbollah rubbish too. "Blame the Americans, we'll give you the money you need to stand up and fight the infidels." Exactly the same, but from the other side of the coin.

    It's not just our governments, it is the opposition govs as well. Look at the way Communist Russia tried to do it. They are now adopting the Western approach, because that one works best.


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