Adsense makes no sense ;)

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   visitmaniacposted 15 years ago

   Ok, I got another wonderful question about adsense now that some clicks are coming though. Is it possible to see what pages the click came from? Or are those stats up in the air and nothing is given?
   
   If I am getting more clicks on a certain kind of hub well dang I wanna check it out and see what I did with it that I might not have done with my others.
   
   Thanks for the help.

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   darksideposted 15 years ago

   You can set up Channels. Once you're logged in and on that page click on the "URL channels" link.
   
   Add hubpages.com. Make sure it's like that, no www.
   
   You can also add your other URLs if you want earnings for each URL. Seeing that you only have 4 hubs it shouldn't take long to add those.

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      Antoncesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Hi darkside. I have just joined in the Hubtivity 24 hours ago. So far, what I have only done is to create hubs that I am passionate about. Do you have any tips for a beginner like me?

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         darksideposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         1) Keep making hubs on topics that you are passionate about.
         2) Learn a bit of keyword research if you want to narrow down those passions to something that's a little more lucrative.
         3) Don't worry about your hubscore. If you publish original hubs, and they start to pick up some search engine traffic, your hubscore and hubberscore will take care of itself.
         4) Enjoy yourself!

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      hudsonj1994posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah that is perfect!

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   frogdroppingposted 15 years ago

   I shall bump this up and let's see if lrohner happens along. She's the queen of adsense, analytics and related stuff
   
   Oh and the answer is 'yes you can' - but lrohner is fab at explaining how/why. I understand it but I get brain freeze explaining teckie stuff. I waffle

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   lrohnerposted 15 years ago

   Add your URL's to Adsense as Darkside suggests AND set up Adsense in Analytics as FrogDropping suggests.
   
   There's almost always a discrepancy between the earnings reported by Analytics and those reported by Adsense, but it's minimal, probably a timing issue, and I use the two for different things so it's irrelevant.
   
   I really use Adsense to track definitively how much I've earned and if I've hit the payout threshold. That's about it. (Remember, each time you publish a hub, you have to remember to come in and add the URL to Adsense. And there is a limit to the number of URL's you can track, but it seems you have a while before you'll hit that!)
   
   I use Adsense tracking in Analytics to get a better sense of what's earning -- not how much. (Oh, and tracking in Analytics of your individual hubs is automatic, so if you forget to add a URL to Adsense, Analytics will track it for you.)
   
   So on my highest earning hub, Analytics tells me that I'm right on track. U.S. Google searches for my primary keyword are the top earners. Job done (for the moment). Move onto another hub.
   
   On my second highest earning hub, still top source is Google, but the earnings are split between US and Hungarians and my primary keyword has made me nothing. It's all from the longtail keywords. So that leaves a lot of room to make things better by doing a better job with my primary keyword and attracting a larger US share of audience.

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   frogdroppingposted 15 years ago

   Ahhhhhh lrohner ... so glad you dropped by. I love your adsense/analytics explanations. Nobody does it better. Not even Google - and they own it

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   KCC Big Countryposted 15 years ago

   I have an Adsense question I thought I'd post here instead of opening another thread for it.  When you're looking at your main report summary screen it shows you how many page impressions by URL (I have my hubs set up in URL channels) and then it shows clicks.   
   
   Here are my questions:
   
   Why is there a decent discrepancy between the pageviews between HubPages and Adsense?  Is it because HubPages counts my own clicks on a hub where maybe Adsense does not?
   
   Why do I sometimes have money earned on hubs where there are no clicks, only pageviews?
   
   Then I just thought of an Amazon question I'm going to throw in here.....do we not get paid when people buy Kindle books?  I have 4 shown as sold and how much they sold for, but I don't seem to get any of that.  I wonder why they even show it, if we don't get paid on it.   Or maybe we get paid after we've sold so many? Anyone know?
   
   Edit:  Just thought of another Adsense question.  Has anyone else experienced reaching an amount over $100 and NOT gotten the payout that month?  Those thinking they should get paid for September, does it show your payout already or am I jumping the gun a bit?  I thought last time, it showed it pending earlier than this and started a new "since last payout" amount.

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      yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      You ask a lot of question for a wind-up monkey, but I think I can answer a few ...
      
      Part of the discrepancy (perhaps most of it) is the fact that 40% the ads displayed belong to hubpages. As such, 4 out of 10 page hits don't display your ads. Also, the counter on hubpages is a rolling 24 hour clock that shows a timeslice, whereas the counter on adsense starts at a certain time of the day and rolls up for 24 hours - then recycles back to 0.
      
      Money on hubs with no clicks? I have a few of these, but they are only pennies. My guess? these are ads that aren't pay-per-click - they're pay-per-view, and they pay very little. That's a guess - not a fact. Anyone care to confirm this?
      
      What? Amazon questions too? Sheesh! Lucky for you I think I can answer those too. Just stay away from the Ebay questions, as I have no fuel for those - haha!
      
      With Amazon, you might show clicks that produce no income for a day. These are waiting for the customer's payment and when (and if) the customer's payment is verified and received you get your cut.
      
      Any more questions?

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   KCC Big Countryposted 15 years ago

   Help me Yoshi.  Explain the 40% HubPages part.  I thought (and evidently incorrectly) that ads were ads and clicks were clicks.  I knew we shared the revenue with HP and I thought that's where the percentage came in.  But, you seem to be saying it differently.  Can you explain it further?

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      yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Someone jump in and correct me if I get this one wrong, but I think I have it figured out.
      
      Let's say you had 100 page views today. You look under statistics and sure enough you have 100 page views. Now, on 40 of those page views hubpages displayed their ads, so any of those clicks went to hubpages. On the other 60 page views, all of those clicks went to you.
      
      Of course, some might shout ... hubpages is stealing all me monies!
      
      Not at all ... that's the agreement we all go with when we sign up. And in return, we get our pages posted on a PR6 site that bumps us up way higher than if we started a PR0 page fresh on the internet on a site we just developed.
      
      And as for the 40/60 split. Well ... being bumped up the ladder in Google means many more hits than you would get out on your own (provided you don't have an established site to place your articles on), which means you profit better on the 40/60 than you would no your own.
      
      Now remember, this information is based on the premise of you starting your own website right now at PR0 and trying to get it seen.
      
      Again, if any of the older hubbers knows this to be different please step in, as I am going off of what I remember reading when I joined ... and that was many moons ago.

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   KCC Big Countryposted 15 years ago

   BTW, the money on hubs with no clicks is pennies for me too, but if there's pennies to be made I wondered if I could do something to make those pennies turn to dollars.

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   sunforgedposted 15 years ago

   Sometimes you get ads that are PPI - pay per impression
   
   As a view and an impression are different, its worth pointing out, if an ad is served twice on your page thats 2 impressions -although only one visitor view
   
   Its always pennies,there is nothing to do to increase that, except maybe get lots of social traffic to that article
   
   You dont share revenue with hubpages - you share impressions- 60% of the time your pub-id is inserted in the ads, whatever you earn during that time is yours.
   
   Hence you should always have a large discrepancy in adsense reported views and analytics reported views
   
   

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      KCC Big Countryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Ok, sorry to be sounding thick here, but how does "it" know to insert my pub-id 60% of the time?  You know what I mean? In an elementary way....like sitting down and passing them out one for me, two for you, one for me, two for you?  I guess it would be more like 2 for me, 3 for you in this case...but like that?

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         yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this

         My understanding is that it's random (though I could be wrong), but the randomizer is seeded so that 40% of the page hits belong to hubpages and 60% of the page hits belong to you. Something like this:
         
         Page view 1:  display's Yoshi's ads
         Page view 2:  display's hubpages ads
         Page view 3:  display's Yoshi's ads
         Page view 4:  display's Yoshi's ads
         Page view 5:  display's hubpages ads
         Page view 6:  display's Yoshi's ads
         Page view 7:  display's hubpages ads
         Page view 8:  display's hubpages ads
         Page view 9:  display's Yoshi's ads
         Page view 10: display's Yoshi's ads
         
         That one's up for debate, and the real answer might be far simpler, but hubpages displays their ads on 4 out of the 10 page views you recieve and your ads on the other 6.
         
         And as for you appreciating the hubpages split ... I already knew you did. I only threw that in for some newer member that might read this thread and think that the split was unreasonable.

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    KCC Big Countryposted 15 years ago

    I'm not asking all these questions because I feel cheated.  I fully understand, and appreciate, the sharing of the impressions/clicks with HP and the value they give us in return.
    
    I looked at the Kindle ebooks again and they showed up in September on my reports.  In my opinion, they shouldn't show them to me until they are paid for or if I'm going to get paid on them.  Right now, all four continue to show zero earnings.
    
    Right now I'm concerned about my Adsense earnings rolling over into another month again.  I should have been paid for EOM September.  Instead, it's continuing to roll on with October being added to it.  It doesn't show that I have a hold and I don't know why I would.  I got the July stuff in August ok.  August I knew would roll into September because it wasn't enough.  August and September combined was more than the minimum.

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       yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I don't mind answering your questions ... it's how we learn.
       
       
       Cut ... pasted ... and edited from Google's site:
       
       When your total unpaid earnings reach the payment threshold, Google will send you a payment at the end of the next month. This threshold varies depending on the reporting currency in your account.
       
       Let's say, for example, that the payment threshold for your account is US$100. In this case, if your total unpaid earnings reached $100 during January Google would send you a payment at the end of February.
       
       If your total unpaid earnings haven't yet reached the payment threshold, they'll roll over to the next month and accrue until they meet the threshold.
       
       Payments are sent within approximately 30 days of the end of the month. See the timeline of our payment cycle in the Payment Timelines section below.

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    KCC Big Countryposted 15 years ago

    I appreciate your help Yoshi and Sunforged. 
    
    I exceeded the threshold at the end of September, but it's not showing me due to get paid in October.  It's still rolling the numbers as if I haven't met the threshold and it's telling me I'm due to get paid within 30 days of the end of this month.  My fear is that I still won't get it then, and it'll still continue to roll.  They just don't make it easy to contact anyone to find out what's going on. I know of at least one other person this happened to.

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    KCC Big Countryposted 15 years ago

    I understand, but I don't understand.  I understand why it does what it has to do, I understand the numbers...it's now trying to understand how it goes about it.  My thing is, what if, after pageview 2 in your example, I closed out my account, everything is pulled from the internet and no more pageviews are even possible?  At that point, it would have displayed your ads 50% of the time and HP's 50% of the time.  It can't maintain a 40/60 split all the time.
    
    That's why I thought clicks were clicks and ads were ads, but when all was tallied, we split it then.  I assumed a revenue split, but ok, if it's an impression split, that's fine too, but I didn't see how it could tally that until the end of some period (hr, week, day, etc).

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       yoshi97posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Well ... the obvious answer to this dilemma is to never leave Hubpages ... insuring yourself a 40/60 split every day ... muhahaha!!!!!!
       
       Actually, they might go so far as to show 6 pages of your ads and then 4 pages of theirs, which would always insure a 40/60 split or better in your favor. Only Paul and the staff know, and I think it best we trust 'em (so I can get my nickel a day kickback for creating belief in the forums - ha! )

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    KCC Big Countryposted 15 years ago

    Well, perhaps one of them will pay this thread a visit and clear that up.  It's not a huge deal. I'm not leaving HP until they ban me.    I'm having way too much fun.

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    KCC Big Countryposted 15 years ago

    I thought about this some more.  Do you think Google inserts the 40/60 split of ads within one page PER impression?  Meaning....everytime someone looks at a page, the ads that appear there will have been coded via the 60/40 split so that each viewer has the same option when they see the page?  Not sure if I am making sense.  But, that would be fair since each viewer could pick whichever ad interests them and it's just whichever info is embedded as to who will end up getting the credit for that click.  Anyone able to confirm this?  Just curious.

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    Blake Flanneryposted 15 years ago

    This is just a thought.  HubPages is owned by or created by Yieldbuild, which is a revenue optimization company.  What if they were so smart that they studied what time of day and what hubs of yours make the most, to take THEIR share from.  You wouldn't know, and HubPages could be making 80% and you could be making 20%.  It doesn't sound like it would be that big of a deal, but multiply that across thousands of writers and you could easily have $$$$$ in profits for HP.  They would still be able to say 60/40, technically.  I want to know the details myself.

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       darksideposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Here's a fact: Yieldbuild was created and owned by HubPages. HubPages came first.
       
       And just so you know, there's 24 hours in a day, and we all don't have our watches set to the same time. So that's some pretty tricky programming they must have there, to be making such an effort to snap up all the best potential ad impressions for themselves.

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          Blake Flanneryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          I was going off of this information on the "About Us" page here on HubPages: "HubPages is part of YieldBuild..."  So are you saying that YieldBuild was created by HubPages, yet "HubPages is part of YieldBuild?"  What is your source?  And where is your source for saying that tracking and statistics couldn't make this possible, even with different time zones.  I still think it's possible and would be smart for HP to do this.  I haven't seen the details of how the 40% HP impressions are timed in writing from anyone official, so please point me to your sources.

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    mistywildposted 15 years ago

    It took me a couple of days to get it all set up, wait till you get to analytics or any of the other affiliates.

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