Not sure about Houston, but we seem to have another problem

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   Mishaposted 17 years ago

   I was checking my delicious bookmarks, and noticed that all my HP links seem to be removed from public access. I know I have several pages bookmarked by many friends, and they should show this. They don't.
   
   Also, using SEOQuake that Jonathan introduced, I see delicious index zero for this links - as well as for any other hub by another author I bothered to check. All my other bookmarks are fine.
   
   It is obvious to me delicious has been spammed up to the throat, and they just banned Hubpages altogether. Guess I want to ask staff to investigate the issue and try to remedy it, if possible.

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   relacheposted 17 years ago

   I'm still finding HubPages links on del.icio.us, and some of them show that many people have bookmarked some links.
   
   Are you embedding trackers in your links?  I could see how doing that could get those links removed....

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   Mishaposted 17 years ago

   Thanks, Relache
   
   Nope, I don't use trackers at all.
   
   The fact that you still have normal HP links on delicious puzzles me though... I'll try to investigate further...

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   Mishaposted 17 years ago

   Umm, I just picked a few of your hot hubs assuming they should have some bookmarks - and here is what I get:
   
   There is no del.icio.us history for http://hubpages.com/hub/nose-piercing-info.
   There is no del.icio.us history for http://hubpages.com/hub/movie-tattoos.
   There is no del.icio.us history for http://hubpages.com/hub/david-beckhams-tattoos.
   
   ...go figure...

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   relacheposted 17 years ago

   Well, I'm seeing that the main HubPages homepage is bookmarked by 256 people and I'm finding other people's Hubs.

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   Mishaposted 17 years ago

   Yep, I used their internal search and found a few hubs - much less than I would have expected to be there, though...
   
   Anyway, it seems to be my own problem now, so I will investigate by myself.
   
   Thanks for your help, Relache

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   relacheposted 17 years ago

   I'm not so sure it's just you, Misha.  I can find other people's Hubs when searching, but I can't find my own.
   
   Perhaps this is just how the del.icio.us internal search works....?

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   Mishaposted 17 years ago

   OK, here is the test:
   
   I picked up a random hub that is already there and showed one vote currently
   
   http://hubpages.com/hub/Epic_Fantasy
   
   When I bookmarked it, nothing changed - see here
   
   http://del.icio.us/url/63d72a309cd09e768b0e4541cbc36f65
   
   Whoever is interested, try to bookmark it for yourself and see if it gets more votes. Mine did not go through.
   
   I suspect now my initial guess was correct, and hubpages *are* banned from delicious, and all those hubs were bookmarked *before* the ban...

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   Mishaposted 17 years ago

   Did anyone give it a try? Or I'm the only one concerned?

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    Mark Knowlesposted 17 years ago

    I couldn't bookmark it either.
    
    Guess too many people have been asking their friends to help

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       Mishaposted 17 years agoin reply to this

       LOL I got banned from delicious a couple of times before - I know what I'm doing - if you meant my friends of course

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    pauldeedsposted 17 years ago

    I don't think there is much that can be done about it.
    
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons
    
    "The metaphor illustrates how free access and unrestricted demand for a finite resource ultimately structurally dooms the resource through over-exploitation. This occurs because the benefits of exploitation accrue to individuals or groups, each of whom is motivated to maximize use of the resource to the point in which they become reliant on it, while the costs of the exploitation are distributed among all those to whom the resource is available (which may be a wider class of individuals than that which is exploiting it). This, in turn, causes demand for the resource to increase, which causes the problem to snowball to the point in which the resource is exhausted."
    
    "Articulating solutions to the Tragedy of the Commons is one of the main problems of political philosophy. The most common solution is regulation by an authority."

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       Mishaposted 17 years agoin reply to this

       
       Paul, I saw in another thread that you guys did talk to reddit in similar situation and reached understanding with them - and I assumed I might be able to influence you to talk to delicious, too.
       I can try to ask a couple of girls around to beg you for this

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          pauldeedsposted 17 years agoin reply to this

          We can try, but I don't see how we could make them believe that we will reform (since I don't see how we could force all of our many publishers to reform).  I think Mark has the right idea.

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             Mishaposted 17 years agoin reply to this

             Well yeah, and still...
             Right now - if the ban is truly there - even Mark's approach does not work
             I don't know if they have an ability to granulate the ban somehow and not apply it to the whole domain, but this is what would look like a solution to me in this particular situation. Not only for hubpages, but for any site with similar philosophy...

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    Mark Knowlesposted 17 years ago

    I was just giving you a hard time
    
    I am finding that writing stuff that appeals to the people who frequent these social bookmarking sites is much more productive than generating the bookmarks myself. I too have been banned from digg/delicious/ etc
    
    Not worth the effort as far as I am concerned.

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    vrecccposted 17 years ago

    Paul,
    
    Great point!!! Peter Senge talks about tragedy of the commons in systems theory. Great connection and explanation for what's happening with social bookmarking.
    
    Jonathan

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    Iðunnposted 17 years ago

    misha, I just checked another hubber's stuff on delicious and it takes my input and adds it onto the total.
    
    heh

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       Mishaposted 17 years agoin reply to this

       Can you post the link?

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          Iðunnposted 17 years agoin reply to this

          whoops you're right, it wasn't using mine, just the previous.  weird.

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    Mishaposted 17 years ago

    Sorry, Idunn, it was last bookmarked in September 06 - according to delicious...

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    Iðunnposted 17 years ago

    yeah just double checked and editted post to reflect
    
    it was two other people.  weird.

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    Mishaposted 17 years ago

    I'm pretty much sure by now it's a total ban for the whole domain

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    Mark Knowlesposted 17 years ago

    I just bookmarked that one. But I couldn't book mark the other one.

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    Mishaposted 17 years ago

    May be you bookmarked - but it did not get through...
    
    http://del.icio.us/url/97a29c3b11a871b4bc4cbe02dfc19304

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    Mark Knowlesposted 17 years ago

    It says 3 people now - not me?

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       Mishaposted 17 years agoin reply to this

       Mark, look to the right of the screen where you get by my link  - and try to find yourself there

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    vrecccposted 17 years ago

    This sucks!!!
    
    There is just so much temptation to bookmark our stuff. What confuses me is that it also benefits the bookmarking service that we use it, doesn't it. Or, maybe spammy  entries are burdening their servers.
    
    Jonathan

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    Mark Knowlesposted 17 years ago

    You are right - I am not there.
    
    Sorry - it's been a while since I used delicious.
    
    This is part of the issue I am finding with these social networking sites. Unless you are careful, they ban people and websites. But imagine how many hubbers submitted their own stuff and got a few friends to "delicious" it - I can't really blame them for banning us.
    
    As you rightly point out - my approach is not going to work with this site now either - If hubpages is banned, them hubpages is banned.
    
    I will stick to doing it the way I am doing it I do find I get far better traffic if a genuine user from one of these sites submits a page anyway - but, sometimes I miss and no one sees it

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    Hope Alexanderposted 17 years ago

    I'm sure I'll get my head ripped off, chewed by rabid dogs, and handed back to me for saying this,  but isn't this kind of our/your/whoever was abusing the system's own fault? The whole idea of those sites is that people are supposed to come across interesting internet content and submit it because they like it. It has never been designed for publishers of said content to put their own content on the site and then get their friends to vote for it.
    
    I see there is another thread where people ask people to Digg things for them, and you know, more power to them if that's the way they want to go. I wouldn't be overly surprised if HubPages earned a ban over there too eventually.
    
    I've been doing this for a wee while now, and I've investigated this social bookmarking/social networking/whatchamacallit seo deal. At the end of the day EVERY single source I have ever seen has always returned to the same pivotal point: Write Good Content. 'Content is King' is the phrase that's pasted all over the Internet, and yet it seems people want to cut every corner possible in the rush to get traffic, and trick the social bookmarking sites, search engines, whatever, by attempting to manipulate their way onto the radar.
    
    Maybe if instead of running around friending every person in the world and begging for diggs, backlinks, stumbles, and whatever other trendy traffic getting devices are in vogue at the time, people just wrote content that had some value, they might find they got traffic that way? I kind of thought that was the whole HubPages philosophy, what with the 'Evergreen Content' slogan and all...
    
    Just a thought or five...

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       Greg from Maineposted 17 years agoin reply to this

       The best content in the world will not get any traffic if nobody is able to find it. How will people know it is there unless you get the word out? I absolutely agree that content should be good enough so that people will want to bookmark it on their own without being bribed/asked/encouraged etc. But as Misha pointed out, there has to be some initial promotion so that people can find the content. How can they find what they don't know exists?

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    Mishaposted 17 years ago

    Umm, well, I'm definitely not going to rip off your head
    
    I do agree to you that content is a king, and if one has crappy content, no amount of promotion can help.
    
    However, I think the opposite is true, too - if one has excellent content and does not promote it at all, his/her content is not going to be seen. If you give it a thought, you will see that posting your work on Hubpages is already promoting it. Why not post to some forgotten article directory, or on AOL or better another free hosting site nobody ever heard about?
    
    I think one has to strike a balance on this, putting effort in both content and promotion. And this is a tricky part, of course

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    Hope Alexanderposted 17 years ago

    Curse you Misha, how can I maintain my disinterested veneer of not caring about who reads my writings if you go and point out the fact that if I really didn't care I would keep them in a tiny box buried in my backyard and never let them see the light of day?
    
    *Disappears in a puff of logic*
    
    (With apologies to Douglas Adams)

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       Mishaposted 17 years agoin reply to this

       I actually enjoy reading your hubs, so I personally would be disappointed if you bury them in your backyard.
       
       And who is Douglas Adams?

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          Mark Knowlesposted 17 years agoin reply to this

          Heathen ! Douglas Adams is my own personal Messiah. Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy author - amongst others

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             Mishaposted 17 years agoin reply to this

             Guess I have to read it then. Ok, putting it in the queue right after Plato

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    gamergirlposted 17 years ago

    *waves around her towel while avoiding big lumpy poets*

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    Mark Knowlesposted 17 years ago

    Plato is a lot harder work, LOL

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       Hope Alexanderposted 17 years agoin reply to this

       And reading Plato risks making you sad, which anything by Douglas Adams is guaranteed never to do. If Douglas Adams had laid the philosophical foundations for Western Civilization, you can guarantee life would be a great deal more interesting.

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          Hope Alexanderposted 17 years agoin reply to this

          To demonstrate:
          
          Plato - "Until philosophers rule as kings or those who are now called kings and leading men genuinely and adequately philosophise, that is, until political power and philosophy entirely coincide, while the many natures who at present pursue either one exclusively are forcibly prevented from doing so, cities will have no rest from evils,... nor, I think, will the human race."
          
          Douglas Adams - "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move."

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    knolyourselfposted 17 years ago

    'Tragedy of the Commons', Paul Excellence, is the exact formost problem of the modern cononedrum - to exist or not - the difference between capitalists and socialists.

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