A Drastic Drop in Traffic

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  1. hclpd profile image93
    hclpdposted 12 months ago

    While the traffic has been dismal for the last year or so, it has continued plunging in the last few weeks. I've witnessed more than 20% of traffic plunge in the last week alone. Worrying times ahead.

    1. JerryFisher profile image95
      JerryFisherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Absolutely the same. Articles getting an average 120 views per day and have been for years are now consistently sitting at around 80. Tweaking them hasn't made any difference.

    2. Kenna McHugh profile image88
      Kenna McHughposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      In the last couple of days, it's been down about 20 percent.

    3. SerenityHalo profile image94
      SerenityHaloposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      So far October is worse for me than September. It's a little early to tell which way October will go. If it continues in this direction, I'll have to make some serious changes.

    4. divacratus profile image88
      divacratusposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Traffic and earnings both are down sad

    5. SerenityHalo profile image94
      SerenityHaloposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      So… anyone recovering yet?

      1. Shesabutterfly profile image94
        Shesabutterflyposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        For this month so far I'm up 1-1.5k over Aug-Sept and 2k up over July, but I'm still down 2-3k compared to Jan-April. CPMs are relatively low and despite the nice uptick in traffic the last couple weeks I'm not making much more than when views were lower.

        My traffic has dropped slightly the last few days, but so far nothing like the inital drop I saw a few months back. I'm assuming it's a natural ebb/flow at this point, unless something more drastic happens I'm not too worried about it.

        CPMs are what I'm concerned with. Increase in views doesn't matter much if it takes more than in the past to even reach payout. I need this nice boost to level out and not drop, but I also need more views than I had in Jan-April to even get close to bringing in the same revenue. Hopefully CPM's will recover soon.

  2. PaulGoodman67 profile image94
    PaulGoodman67posted 12 months ago

    There's talk that there was a big Google algo update at the weekend. https://www.seroundtable.com/google-sea … 32159.html

    1. hclpd profile image93
      hclpdposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      With intrusive ads on all the niche websites, no wonder we're going down the hill.

      1. JerryFisher profile image95
        JerryFisherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Yeah on a reasonably lengthy site of mine I've counted 25 ads. They're slow to load and you trip over them. Terrible experience for a reader. Google used to recommend for websites no more than two ads a page. If Maven were using Google ads they's likely be banned.

        1. CYong74 profile image95
          CYong74posted 12 months agoin reply to this

          AdSense has an auto-ads function for a while, which they heavily recommend. When I switched it on for my blog, my posts were flooded with Ads in the same way as HP. Frankly, I think what we're seeing now on HP is because of this auto-ads function.

          Not sure what has happened but apparently, Google no longer care much about the previous figures.

      2. PaulGoodman67 profile image94
        PaulGoodman67posted 12 months agoin reply to this

        I don't think the ads are necessarily the problem, as it's relatively easy to measure their impact, and adjust your approach accordingly, regarding numbers and placement etc.

        HP aren't so amateur, in my experience, that they would make such a simple error.

        It also isn't borne out by what's happening in the various niches, some of which are doing relatively well, despite using a similar ad set-up to the others.

        Understand, I'm talking about the general HP ads. Amazon Ass. ads are another matter, and likely at least part of the problem, in my estimation.

        As for me, the problem recently has been that whil emy overall traffic is up, earnings are still very mediocre. The cause of that is that the less lucrative niches are doing well, while the ones that earn me most money are still in the doldrums.

        1. SerenityHalo profile image94
          SerenityHaloposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          I'm one of the weirdos that doesn't rely on Amazon ads. Adsense has been less, but it mostly can be attributed to Google traffic. I've dropped anywhere from 2,000-4,000 daily views. I'm looking at my old hubs and seeing which ones are not performing as well as they used to and adjusting those. I'm also trying to do better about Pinterest as I think I should have more traffic from there than I do.

          I'm curious to see what October, November, and December will have in store. September has been the strangest month this year for me, so I'm curious to see if it's a fluke or if it will be a longer trend.

          1. PaulGoodman67 profile image94
            PaulGoodman67posted 12 months agoin reply to this

            It doesn't necessarily matter much whether you use Amazon or not. Since Panda 10 years ago, Google has often taken to punishing the entire site (or niche nowadays), rather than targeting individual articles.

            This is why I suspect that Dengarden is doing much worse than Soapboxie. Dengarden has lots of kitchen and gardening product reviews. Soapboxie has few.

    2. Kenna McHugh profile image88
      Kenna McHughposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      That's what it was. Well, it should go back up then. It happens whenever there's an update.

    3. TessSchlesinger profile image86
      TessSchlesingerposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Makes sense. My Medium traffic has dropped quite a bit.

    4. Okoye Chinyere profile image81
      Okoye Chinyereposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Thanks for this information is helpful.

  3. emge profile image80
    emgeposted 12 months ago

    i do not know how accurate the figures which are given are  true. Is there any way  these figures can be verified? traffic has definitely gone down but that could be an overall policy. As far as I am concerned, I'm not really bothered about traffic at all, because either way it doesn't lead anywhere. I just write for the satisfaction I get and much of my earning is from the books which I write and the short stories which are published in other magazines which pay reasonably well.

  4. eugbug profile image97
    eugbugposted 12 months ago

    For me it's down 20% to 25%. The drop in seasonal Dengarden traffic should be made up for by an increase in Owlcation traffic this time of year but the effects of the last few weeks updates have been dismal.

    1. hclpd profile image93
      hclpdposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      They need to find out those vexing ads popping left and right.

  5. Kierstin Gunsberg profile image96
    Kierstin Gunsbergposted 12 months ago

    Yeah, traffic is baaaaad right now for me too.

    1. PaulGoodman67 profile image94
      PaulGoodman67posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      My overall views are terrible when compared with the first 5 months of 2021, but compared with 2020 (which was an effing awful year), they're reasonable.

      Big discrepancies with the niches, though. Soapboxie and Owlcation now get most views in this account for me, when Dengarden used to dominate.

      That makes earnings crappy. And I care about earnings more than views or impressions.

    2. NateB11 profile image88
      NateB11posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Yeah, over the past few days, I've had a major decrease in traffic and earnings. Still, as always, I wonder if it's just a normal fluctuation. Traffic is higher than it was a year ago but earnings are about the same as they were a year ago, due to CPMs being kind of low.

      1. PaulGoodman67 profile image94
        PaulGoodman67posted 12 months agoin reply to this

        I agree, I think that the most recent couple of algo updates have not been at all good!

        I'm not quite sure what HP is supposed to do when there's updates constantly for 4 months in a row!

        1. NateB11 profile image88
          NateB11posted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Well, what's funny is my traffic went back up. Not that it went up that much. Leads me think it's a normal fluctuation for me. This is not really my time of year for traffic. Strangely my time is usually best in summer, which I've heard for many is not a good time.

          1. PaulGoodman67 profile image94
            PaulGoodman67posted 12 months agoin reply to this

            My traffic climbed back a little, too. But that can happen after an update. It's still bad overall, though.

            Yes, there's a weekly cycle and an annual cycle and summer is generally bad.

            But not everything follows the cycle. Usually it's very obvious why, though. Gardening or travel articles etc.

            I also have articles like dealing with a plumbing emergency that are unaffected by seasons.

            However, the majority of my articles do follow the standard weekly and yearly cycles.

          2. Shesabutterfly profile image94
            Shesabutterflyposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            This is not usually my time for good traffic either. My traffic has almost doubled the last week or two after taking a huge hit 4-5 weeks ago. I've been waiting for it to plummet back down, but I'm wondering if this is going to be where my traffic stabilizes for a bit. My top 3 articles bring in almost 75% of my traffic and those views have been pretty steady the last week. It is making up for all the blue arrows on my other articles.

            As a whole my account has seen an increase of almost 3k views from Sep 1- now compared to this time last year. Despite that, I still made roughly the same as last year for Sept, because my CPMs are terrible.

            I think Paul mentioned one of the updates seemed to help opinion pieces. I wonder if that is the reason for the boost. I'm hopeful it will extend into my normal high traffic season which usually starts Nov/Dec. and I won't see such a massive drop in a few weeks.

            1. PaulGoodman67 profile image94
              PaulGoodman67posted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Yeah, in the last couple of years, my most popular hubs on this account have always been Dengarden.

              Now Soapboxie ones have risen to be the top of the pile while Dengarden ones have fallen.

              Earnings are terrible though, which is my worst worry.

              It's possible to see how the niches have each being doing using SEMRush.

              I blame it all on Amazon links, of course. Product reviews of kitchen and gardening products on Dengarden etc. That's why HP was recently testing a different format for product review articles, I believe.

              1. Shesabutterfly profile image94
                Shesabutterflyposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                I'm a bit worried about earnings too. I've needed almost double the amount of views/impressions just to make the same as I was a year ago. I don't need the money like some of the other writers here, but it's always nice to have the extra income.

                I know the topics I write on are part of the problem as they have lower CPMs in general and my top articles have changed around a bit in the last two years, but these numbers are still much lower than I would expect all things considered.

        2. Kenna McHugh profile image88
          Kenna McHughposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Mine are down, too. I also noticed thst when I do research for articles on Google, the results are cliche, yawn.

      2. eugbug profile image97
        eugbugposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        CPM 20% down on the values for last year for my account. Maybe The Arena Group are keeping a bigger chunk of revenue?

  6. Larry Slawson profile image97
    Larry Slawsonposted 12 months ago

    My traffic is down big time as well... my top article is the lowest I’ve ever seen it before. Really hope it bounces back soon.

  7. Solaras profile image95
    Solarasposted 12 months ago

    Pethelpful CPM is about as low as it has ever been. Very discouraging for new writing.

  8. Spiral Illusion profile image73
    Spiral Illusionposted 12 months ago

    I was just about to ask the question of how can we get traffic to our articles. I hit a plateau. Aside from having articles kicked back for duplicate information I am not doing good. This started out as a good relief of stress and a thinking assignment/hobby. I'm not sure what is going on now. Feel free to guide me in the right direction.

    1. SerenityHalo profile image94
      SerenityHaloposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Paul is correct. We’re in a downward / plateau trend. There isn’t a lot that can be done. Hopefully this trend will change.

      Some suggestions on how to improve traffic:

      — Keep writing new stuff. You likely won’t see growth on it for months.

      — Check to make sure your posts have 2,000+ words.

      — Add relevant videos and quizzes.

      — Continue to grow (or start growing) a base on Pinterest.

      — Build your freelance writing efforts outside of HubPages. Don’t limit yourself.

      — Reread your stuff. You’ll likely find things that can be improved.

      — Submit old stuff to niche sites. I’ve been on HubPages for a long time, so I have a backlog of stuff to polish.

      — Add at the bottom of your posts references or other materials where people can find more info.

  9. PaulGoodman67 profile image94
    PaulGoodman67posted 12 months ago

    Earnings seem to be hitting new lows, for recent times, anyway.

    There's not much can be done by us. We're dependent on Google and HP.

    We can write new material and update old stuff, but it won't solve the underlying problems, as far as I can see.

  10. Solaras profile image95
    Solarasposted 12 months ago

    HP can jettison the "Reviews" section they snuck onto Pethelpful, right now.  How long does one keep a failed experiment visible to the world? 100+ execrable pages probably have a negative effect on one of the more profitable niche sites.

    Speaking of fecal matter, this stuff is still out there.

    From pooper scooper reviews:

    "The neighborhood is filled with different people. Some like dogs, others are cat people, while some might not either have or like pets. Incidents such as neighbors bickering over a dog pooping in the wrong place might be a common occurrence in your neighborhood. You must be considerate of the feelings of others and show that you’re a responsible pet owner by promptly disposing of your dog’s feces."

    OMG! Promptly dispose of this reviews section, and turn it over to the writers via assignments or whatever.  It's an embarrassment at the least. It could be affecting our pageviews, which are slumping.

    1. EricDockett profile image96
      EricDockettposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      HP removed the link in the footer and top menu, so unless they linked somewhere else (sneakily) those pages should fall out of the SERPs. I saw they were still listed the other day, but I can't find any now. I can't find the text you posted when I search with quotes.

      Are you still seeing them in search or just with a link you saved? It looks to me like they are gone. They may have hurt the site a little in the short term, but it should bounce back.

      1. Solaras profile image95
        Solarasposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        I put in the actual URL, because Google had saved it for me.  When I just search for Pethelpful reviews, it does not come up, as you noted.

  11. bravewarrior profile image90
    bravewarriorposted 12 months ago

    I agree with you entirely! I don't know why HP wouldn't have reached out to us to begin with. And how/why in the hell can they possibly think those poorly written reviews can benefit the site? Why are they still there?????????

  12. eugbug profile image97
    eugbugposted 12 months ago

    I recovered the traffic lost over the last month with a steep trend upwards since Saturday, however Wednesday's volatility knocked it back down over 10%.
    https://www.semrush.com/sensor/

    1. PaulGoodman67 profile image94
      PaulGoodman67posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      It's very difficult to get a sense of of any strong trend. The last 6 weeks or so have generally been up or stagnant, I was up 15-20% one week. But then it dropped 10% recently. Google is giving with one hand, taking with the other.

      I don't know what HP are supposed to do. At least with Panda, there was a massive drop but then HP knew where they stood. How do you adapt when the rules and landscape are changing every week?

      1. theraggededge profile image97
        theraggededgeposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        With today's earnings drop, how I'm going to adapt to it is to stop publishing here. There's no point.

        Medium's the focus now.

        1. PaulGoodman67 profile image94
          PaulGoodman67posted 12 months agoin reply to this

          I'm mainly focused on Medium for the time being, but I don't see much future in it at present.

          It's too much hard work for one thing. It's like living on a hamster wheel. I'm traveling to Greece and England soon and while my HP earnings will continue, my Medium money is bound to shrink.

          I will probably end up just using Medium as an income stream, it's good for certain sorts of article, but I'll try boosting something else. I have some other projects with potential that I've neglected since I tried out Medium.

          I just feel very jaded by Medium. It rewards the worst in humanity.

          Plus, to be honest, I'm still nowhere near earning what I get at HP. Passive income still rules for me.

  13. LongTimeMother profile image90
    LongTimeMotherposted 11 months ago

    I just wish the editors understood SEO and didn’t just make changes they think ‘make sense’ or ‘look good’. I’ve watched their edits knock my articles from #0 and #1 in google results for so long now that my previously reliable income has been smashed.

    I complained about their illogical random changes way back when editors first came on board. Their efforts haven’t improved and my traffic is pitiful compared to what it was. They’ve even changed titles (they obviously thought it was a good idea) so the article no longer delivers what the title promises.

    For heaven’s sake. Don’t rename something to a how to article if the text doesn’t actually tell you how to do it. Don’t change the order or rewrite content in articles getting strong traffic from search engines because they are obviously optimised already. In recent years I’ve not been able to check all the times I get messages about edits. I obviously should have.

    Too late to regain top spots I’ve lost. I’m still holding a few but I fear it is just a matter of time until another editor who clearly doesn’t understand how to structure an SEO-effective article butchers those as well. Sad. I think I’ll have to write elsewhere to win back top spots … somewhere that doesn’t destroy my results after I spend ages carefully choosing and placing keywords.

    1. Kenna McHugh profile image88
      Kenna McHughposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      SEO is essential, and I am so sorry to hear this. It's also scary because I've had similar edits. They're painful.

      These editors should work closely with the writers. It's called teamwork.

      1. LongTimeMother profile image90
        LongTimeMotherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        My top performing article (numbers wise) has had over 590,000 views. All traffic from search engines according to the stats, except for 12k from Pinterest and 12k from Dengarden.

        So let’s call it 570,000 views courtesy of search engines. It used to get less traffic than other articles but they’ve dropped back after edits. I genuinely want to know how many of these editors have written a single article capable of attracting over half a million views on a topic that’s not particularly popular.

        Another of my articles sat for years at the very top of page one on a topic with 226 million search results. I think anyone would agree that’s a lot of competition. Their ‘premium edit’ butchered my hard SEO work and it began to slip.

        It currently sits on page 2 which means, obviously, all that traffic it used to get has dropped. I would like to restore it to its previous version but hp threatens to remove articles from niche sites if we change them back.

        Do you think it is worth the risk? Would you restore your original format?

        1. Solaras profile image95
          Solarasposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          I would compromise and restore what I felt was most important, and let them have a few things too.  I just did that to an article where they put in a table where there was once a list.  Tables are just plain hard to read, and it was the first capsule following the intro capsule. I saved the table as "hidden" and put in a list in its place.

          This article, the editors did some nice things on it with images and the page description. The table thing, I think was a fad, and I don't think they will mind. But I saved the old table just in case they felt they had to have it, or the pageviews fall off a cliff after my meddling. lol

        2. TessSchlesinger profile image86
          TessSchlesingerposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          why would HP do that?

          I never understood why they would change articles that would then slip from the number one position. They've done that to me several times through the years.

          The only concllusion I can come to is that they honestly don't know, and when you tell them, they're too proud to admit it.

        3. NateB11 profile image88
          NateB11posted 11 months agoin reply to this

          This is something that’s mystified me too. How they can take can article that is performing exceptionally well and edit it and destroy it’s traffic. This happened to me with an article that was at the top of the SERP, it was edited, lost most of its traffic and the account it’s on now makes payout every several months. It kind of blew my mind to tell you the truth.

          1. NateB11 profile image88
            NateB11posted 11 months agoin reply to this

            Although I'm glad we have editors at the same time.

            1. PaulGoodman67 profile image94
              PaulGoodman67posted 11 months agoin reply to this

              While I've had a handful of bad editing experiences regarding factually incorrect content being inserted, I trust them on SEO. In fact, when they change one article, I often copy those same techniques and approaches and use them elsewhere.

              The truth is that traffic goes up and down. It's not always straightforward to assess causal relationships with limited data.

              I don't see myself as a slouch on SEO, but I consider HP much better placed than me. In part because they have much more data, so can see what's working across the site.

              1. SerenityHalo profile image94
                SerenityHaloposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                For the most part, most of my articles get more traffic when they’re moved to niche sites or edited by HP.

              2. NateB11 profile image88
                NateB11posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                While I agree the editing is generally good and glad we have editors, the particular case I was talking about was definitely due to an edit. But I kind of take the good with the bad in this context.

              3. TessSchlesinger profile image86
                TessSchlesingerposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                So why would one lose traffic after they edited it?

                1. Solaras profile image95
                  Solarasposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  In one instance, they had remove the keyword from the entire article, except in one capsule title. Trying not to keyword stuff lol.

                  I was furious.  I went back and put them back in where appropriate and it started rising in page rank for that which the article had originally been written to be optimized.

                  1. TessSchlesinger profile image86
                    TessSchlesingerposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    ++++

          2. TessSchlesinger profile image86
            TessSchlesingerposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            +++++

  14. PaulGoodman67 profile image94
    PaulGoodman67posted 11 months ago

    Terrible earnings today. I always expect a dip at the start of October as it's a new quarter, but still...

    HP have had bad periods before, so hopefully they'll find a way through, sooner rather than later would be preferable.

    1. JerryFisher profile image95
      JerryFisherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Yeah me too. Drastic drop in views and earnings of main articles, but bizarrely holding their page rank.

  15. TheShadowSpecter profile image86
    TheShadowSpecterposted 11 months ago

    Same here.

  16. Solaras profile image95
    Solarasposted 11 months ago

    Saturday earnings were abysmal. Off another 40% of usual earnings.

  17. Kierstin Gunsberg profile image96
    Kierstin Gunsbergposted 11 months ago

    Woweeeee my earnings are down 50% of their "average." Wtf. Are they holding more of our earnings now? My traffic isn't great but I would typically still be earning more than I have recently.

    1. PaulGoodman67 profile image94
      PaulGoodman67posted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Yes, it's bad. Expected a small drop in Oct as it's new quarter but this is awful.

      And this is a relatively good time of year. What are earnings going to be like in mid-January, if things haven't improved by then?

      1. Kenna McHugh profile image88
        Kenna McHughposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        It's terrible. HP is messing with my articles, too.

        1. Solaras profile image95
          Solarasposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          I'm finding they have inserted a lot of tables, which is hateful.  Tables are hard to read, and hard to convert to normal text.

          Other than that, I do appreciate someone correcting the typos I seem to read over 30 times without noticing.

    2. TessSchlesinger profile image86
      TessSchlesingerposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Possibly the profit factor?

      1. Solaras profile image95
        Solarasposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        When things are so opaque, my mind goes there too.  I miss the days when Paul would come on the forums and address our concerns, by telling us, "Yes there is a problem. Here is what we are trying to do to fix it."

        Does anyone know who is running HP now? What is their previous experience? How dedicated are they to the success of HP, and the writers?

        1. letstalkabouteduc profile image96
          letstalkabouteducposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          I was thinking about Paul as well during this time and missing his input. Does he still work for the Arena group? We haven't had a forum moderator for quite some time and that seems like a bad sign. It's not the same when we get a message from a nameless/faceless person.

          1. TessSchlesinger profile image86
            TessSchlesingerposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            I'm betting that assets are being withdrawn from hubpages. Not sure about it, but it's a fair guess. If assets are being directed towards magazines that focus on sports and finance "beause that's where the money is," you can pretty much assume that it's not being invested in hubpages.

            1. JerryFisher profile image95
              JerryFisherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              I agree. I think staff have mostly gone from here. I've been waiting for over a month for a 5500 word article to be approved when in the past that was a 48 hour thing at most. I wonder since Maven have taken this over that they'll just let this die a death. It's likely taking a little bandwidth that they could put to better use. Here's an idea - Why don't we start our own?

              1. TessSchlesinger profile image86
                TessSchlesingerposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                When Google Plus died, there were a lot of IT professionals on board, and so they started their own social media. None of it  reached the heights of Google Plus. I don't think that if we started our own, it would have the same reach that Hubpages has had in the past.

                That said, if there are a good few hundred people starting a content site that has good media, and if they are using Adsense and affiliate marketing, there is no reason why the site shouldn't flourish. Other websites do. The problem is - who will design it, ensure fair distribution of funds, and pay for needed services.

                For the past few years, I've been spreading where I am - Amazon, KDP, Smashwords (all book stores), Medium, Quora, etc. When Maven bought Hubpages, I pretty much guessed where it was going to land up. Of course it was a guess. The same guy bought Associated content (he was the head honcho of Yahoo), assimilated it into Yahoo voices, and I was never paid again. My content disappeared with the absorption of A.C. into Yahoo Voices. Of course, Yahoo Voices has long gone as well.

                So, first Hubpages is absorbed into Maven, then Maven changes names (Arena Group) and announces it is going to focus on Sports and Finance because that is where the money is.

                Simultaneously, writers are paid less and staff start disappearing, or so it seems. Yes, I understand the reasoning that Hubpages will pull through because it has always pulled through, but I think a logical deduction of all evidence proves that it is going to go the way of the dodos.

                And, yes, I can be wrong.

  18. Solaras profile image95
    Solarasposted 11 months ago

    My best preforming article is off 60% since February of this year, and CPM blows.  I feel sick looking at it.

    I am on the verge of doing something drastic. So drastic, I can't even type the words.

    1. PaulGoodman67 profile image94
      PaulGoodman67posted 11 months agoin reply to this

      My drastic thing was to join Medium. But I don't think that you'd find it much of an improvement.

      And yes, I think we all miss Paul E's analysis and guidance in the forums.

      1. Solaras profile image95
        Solarasposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        I joined Medium, but have not been very motivated to write for them.  I am confused by all of the "publications" and circulation or whatever they call it, plus setting up your own publication. 

        It seems like a lot of work for little return in the short  term, and still a lot of work in the long run. 

        My drastic thing would be to reactivate my blog by turning its content into a Wordpress site, and then migrating my hubs to it, leaving the 15 best performers on HP and seeing which one earns more income. Then going all in on the winner.  That is a lot of work too, but if my earnings keep going down here, I will literally have nothing to lose.

        1. eugbug profile image97
          eugbugposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          You could setup a niche publication on Medium and duplicate your content from Hubpages and any other places you write onto it. That's what I'm trying to do by creating a DIY publication (Mine seems to be the only one). Medium is a somewhat highbrow writing site, so I don't know whether there'll be any interest in my mundane content, but it's worth a shot. Meanwhile I'm putting my science articles on "Everyday Science," a popular science publication. The editor there has advised me to break down my long articles (some Hubpages imports were over 20 minute reads) into smaller ones because the Medium algorithm they reckon only records a read if the reader scrolls to the bottom. Also the unfortunate problem with Medium is that older articles disappear from view on profiles or on the homepages of publications and have to be searched for by keyword or in archives. In any case, the first thing you need to do is get your 100 followers there. I just wrote a soapbox article and promoted myself and announced what I wrote about and that started bringing in lots of followers.

        2. PaulGoodman67 profile image94
          PaulGoodman67posted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Yeah, I'm not yet fully sold on Medium myself. My comment had a flippant element.

          I would describe Medium as "bloggy" rather than "highbrow". Although it does have an academic element, it also seems to operate more like a kind of demented Facebook at times.

          Eugene is right though, I believe. You'd do better with HP articles at Medium than WP.

          That said, problem with Medium is that they introduced rule that you needed 100 followers to start earning which is crappy for beginners.

          The rules and features at Medium seem to change every week. They're constantly changing direction.

          1. TessSchlesinger profile image86
            TessSchlesingerposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            My experience on Medium has been very different. It took me a year to get going. That said, things changed the moment I left Africa and went to Europe. Judging from other people have said about Africa, the algorithms don't give you much traffic if you're living there.

            All told, my earnings on Medium, together with the donations (from Medium readers on Kofi and the increase in Patreon supporters) has never been below $1500 in a month and has been up to $4300 in a month. I've had gifts from readers who hand out amounts like $100 and $50, just because they like a particular piece you wrote.

            There are certain pieces that do better than others.

            1. IT is about 50%.
            2. Politics do well.
            3. Self-help does well.
            4. Articles about writing do well.

            That said, there has been a switch between publication types. Initially, the well-performng publications dominated. If you got into them, you did well. If you didn't, you struggled.

            Earlier this year, Williams shuttered them claiming that they weren't worth the money. They didn't draw the kind of traffic for what he invested in them. He also said that people followed writers - not topics.I didn't agree with him at the time, but it turned out he was right.

            So he increased the ability of writers to have their own publications, plus gave them the ability to have subscribers - people willing to give you their emails (pure gold in the writing world) so you can export them from Medium and use them elsewhere, plus you can use affiliate marketing.

            The downside with affiliate marketing is the email that Amazon just sent out. I'm going to look for other options on that score.

            The difference between hubpages and Medium are vast.

            1. Medium traffic is like that of a newspaper or magazine. What you wrote yesterday does not have that much relelvance. Hubpages is dependent on  topics being ever green and hitting the top of the SERPS. In other words, hubpages is pure passive income while Medium is a combination with about 15% being passive income, and the rest pretty much dependent on what you wrote during the past three months.

            2. If you leave hubpages or hubpages goes bang in the middle of the night, you are left with nothing. If you have built up a body of subscribers, you leave with pure gold. According to every single writer out there, your list of subscribers is your ticket to heaven. You make a lot of money out of it. Medium gives you that. Hubpages does not give you the names and email addresses of your readers.

            3. If someone signs up to Medium based on your link, you get paid $2.26 for every month they are paying. On Hubpages, you get paid a percentage of their income. As 95% of hubpage registered writers earn nothing, but if you got in early on hubpages, that may or may not be a lot. I don't know.

            4. Hubpages is dominated by right wing. Medium is left wing. I'm not sure about it, but my experiences with the Maven owner when he bought Associated Content and then turned it into Yahoo voices is not good. I wouldn't dismiss the idea that HP will be eventually dismantled. Of course, all content sites come an dgo. HP has hung on better than most.

            5. Medium isn't constantly changing direction. It has been continuously moving in one direction - to take the power away from the top and distribute it to the kind of writers people want to follow. It has been a step by step process.

            1. Solaras profile image95
              Solarasposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              The Amazon email - are you referring to the requirement that the author say, "we make pennies in commission if you click on this link and buy something."

            2. PaulGoodman67 profile image94
              PaulGoodman67posted 11 months agoin reply to this

              Ev William's approach is to constantly experiment and alter direction in the hope that he'll eventually find a profitably model, he describes his approach thus:

              "Entrepreneurial success is almost always harder than you think and almost always takes longer than you expect….Here is the key: If you can survive long enough, and you are constantly iterating, experimenting, and improving your business, then eventually the timing will be right!"

              Medium's current "exciting new thing" is a referral program! You get them a member and receive some money. Same sort of thing that every other business that's online has been doing for many years. They're trying to pretend it's some great innovation, which I do find a little condescending.

              It's an enclosed ecosystem with an owner who's constantly tampering. And there's little gatekeeping or quality control, so there's a lot of bad info and fake news, plus it can feel a bit like Lord of the Flies at times.

              From an earning/writing perspective, I think it's okay for certain sorts of article. Rants and opinion pieces do well, for instance. So it doesn't actually have much overlap with HP.

              Articles are kind of bloggy and evocative, polarizing stuff does well. Rather than the more neutral, balanced, authoritative tone for HP. That's why I don't think most HP articles will do well there. But as it's little effort, there's certainly no harm trying it, as Eugene is doing.

              1. Solaras profile image95
                Solarasposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                Do you have to write in the first person, "my thoughts," "My outrage" or "my experience" - it seemed like what they wanted for their contest, which I am not comfortable with.

                1. PaulGoodman67 profile image94
                  PaulGoodman67posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  It's not obligatory, so in theory no - but in practice you're generally expected to give a personal take, so that means the answer to your question is yes.

                  It's an odd place. On the one hand, there are long academic style articles that are well-researched and somber. On the other hand, there are articles that are just personal attacks and rants against other writers, like it's some puerile social media battleground.

                  There are some people that make four figures but many of those seem to  write there virtually full-time, so they're often still not really making much if you treat it as an hourly wage.

                  And the rules and algorithm keep changing so it's pretty insecure.

                  I'm trying to figure out a strategy of making a viable income stream there without working too hard!

              2. TessSchlesinger profile image86
                TessSchlesingerposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                I think Maven is experimenting with Hubpages as well. They just don't tell us.  The different types of ads that destroy the presentation,  etc. and who knows what else.

                Basically, the people who get in near the beginning of any publication are the ones that tend to benefit in the long term. Medium is no different. It gets harder and harder when oldies are established and they take most of the traffic. Nevertheless, it's possible.

                No, there's no  overlaop with Hubpages. but what are you going to do when Hubpages goes? I think it's always wise to have several different sources of income.

                The figures for Hubpages and different niche sites are interesting (Alexa).

                https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/dengarden.com
                https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/hubpages.com

                What interests me is that dengarden has a way lower ranking that hubpages. It also has a bounce rate of 86.2% while discover hubpages (or the original hubpages) has a bounce rate of 39%, Also hubpages traffic is going up.

                So why the drop in figures.

                I don't understand.

                My view is this.

                We will never really understand what is going on for any site we write on. Most of what we do that is successful is a lucky guess.

                I just prefer to be spread more widely.

        3. JerryFisher profile image95
          JerryFisherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          I had the same thought except to duplicate just one article to a single wordpress .com (not org) domain, as an experiment, to see if it ranks the same and then apply Adsense to it. At least I'd be collecting 100%. Not a lot of work in that if it worked (and then kill the HP article) but if it requires a lot of SEO then I couldn't be bothered. What I can't work out at the moment that like everyone my main articles are down 30% plus in the last three weeks or so with no real recovery, yet are still first page ranking. Maybe somehow in the latest algorithm update, google killed a lot of keyword associations? Brandon is another one who seems to have disappeared who was great at answering this stuff.

          1. PaulGoodman67 profile image94
            PaulGoodman67posted 11 months agoin reply to this

            You should try it you think it'll work. I feel like I've gone down that road in the past using Amazon links and Adsense and it didn't really work for me. Adsense is moribund, in my opinion, a shadow of its former self.

            When an article is riding high in the SERPS it's often seen as authoritative by Google, so is given authority on related keywords as well as the primary one. The article doesn't have to drop far in Google's esteem to lose some of its authority and therefore lose the traffic from the related keywords. That's how I understand it anyhow.

          2. Solaras profile image95
            Solarasposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            Don't bother with Adsense.  They pay pennies.  There are others like Mediavine and another someone mentioned, that is paying $20 CPM.  (Maybe they will weigh in on who that was again.)  They help with ad placement for you too, but it can't be on blogger, needs to be developed in wordpress.

            Edit: Media vine requires 30K impressions a month before you can join their network.

            1. JerryFisher profile image95
              JerryFisherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              Thanks to you and Paul. I think I'll just keep editing here in that case. At least it's a solid base without starting from scratch again. Fairly dispiriting to keep on editing when there's seemingly nothing left to edit. But I guess all of us that have been on here for years remember the good days when HP was just HP and we lay on the beach with a passive income for years with zero drop in traffic. Maybe those days have gone now from all over the net and we have to work for our money now?

              1. Solaras profile image95
                Solarasposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                One problem is the scumbaggery of other writers on the internet.  In checking out who stole my number 1, I find they copied my entire article, and interspersed each sentence with 5 words or phrases, to "Make it theirs." Another form of spinning.

                sick

  19. PaulGoodman67 profile image94
    PaulGoodman67posted 11 months ago

    Tessa, there was a series of Google algorithm changes in the summer. Some niches are up, but some, like Dengarden, are down.

    I believe the drop in some niches relates to the ongoing corporate war over the share of retail income, which began with Panda, when the big retailers complained to Google that sites like HP were taking too much of the pie.

    HP are trying to find a way around the Amazon issue.

    I remember you writing about how you don't believe in critical thinking.

    I'm a rationalist, I think one's chances are improved considerably by taking an analytical approach. Because, lets face it, only a small percentage of people make much money at HP or Medium. It's difficult to achieve and difficult to maintain.

    Genuine diversification is good. I scrape along with Air BnB, writing online, and selling t-shirts. (The Air Bnb being the main source and the most reliable)

    I'm not reliant purely on HP and Medium, because the publishing world has not found a profitable model since the internet began.

    When considering something, I try to work out what's worth my while, and how much effort to put in. I enjoy writing, but I like to have a life, too.

    There's a business term called "scaling up". The thing with say, HP is that I can, in theory, create 10% more hubs and get 10% more income. The same goes for the t-shirts. With Air Bnb I can get an addition built and expand the business that way.

    I'm wary of incomes where you can't scale up. The earnings max out and plateau. You can then end up working your arse off just to survive.

    I'm still exploring strategies for earning at Medium.

    People can make their own decisions. I like passive income and the opportunity to scale up when possible.

    1. TessSchlesinger profile image86
      TessSchlesingerposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      No, I don't believe in critical thinking. I believe in logical thinking. Critical thinking criticizes and pulls to pieces.

      Autistic people are extremely logical thinkers.

      I do understand what you're saying. And I wish there was a way of earning passive income as it was in the old days. I think those days are gone.

  20. TessSchlesinger profile image86
    TessSchlesingerposted 11 months ago

    https://digiday.com/media/maven-rebrand … d-finance/

    So the Arena Group is going to focus on Finance and Sports. Hubpages got any finance and sports niche sites?

    1. Solaras profile image95
      Solarasposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      How they play and Tough Nickel

    2. Solaras profile image95
      Solarasposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      When I was in Whistler, BC, I believe I met Jim Cramer.  There was a Wall Street website owner with a subscription model; $10,000.00 per month got you the skinny on stocks. 

      He was not interested in joining that with Maven, however he was considering creating something smaller for newbies in the world of wealth, athletes & new celebrities, as a feeder into the big time subscription.  I am pretty sure it was The Street; looks like the man I sipped wine with.  I met a lot of people who were masters of their own domains: The King of Chocolate, the King of Kicks etc.

  21. EricDockett profile image96
    EricDockettposted 11 months ago

    If anyone wants to take a minute to actually look at the Arena Group website, you'll see there are three pillars the company has rebranded around.

    1. Sports = Sports Illustrated

    2. Finance = The Street

    3. Lifestyle = HubPages

    And similar sites, of course.

    HubPages is listed as one of the three core focuses of the new approach, not only on the home page, but also on the "Our Brands" pages.

    It seems unlikely that Arena would state that HubPages is a main part of their new business model if they were planning on abandoning the site

    In fact, doesn't that seem more like proof that Arena plans to invest in HubPages for the foreseeable future?

    It is hard to imagine that HubPages isn't a hugely profitable part of their business. Content is free. Editors and supervisors work across multiple Arena products, which is why they don't have as much time to focus on HP like they used to.

    I do think HP is dropping the ball in many ways and I wish they would make better decisions. It is hurting individual writers for sure. However, that doesn't mean HP as a whole isn't profitable or that it is on the way to failure.

    1. TessSchlesinger profile image86
      TessSchlesingerposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      The press releases, released by the company said that the focus would be on sport and finance as that was where the money was. However, right at the end, in one sentence, it said that the other aspects would also be continued. I guess I'm reading between the lines.

  22. NateB11 profile image88
    NateB11posted 11 months ago

    When I look at both the earnings stats here and my Google Analytics stats, there is no major change in traffic/earnings for me compared to same time last year. Indicating to me that it's a relatively normal fluctuation for some people and maybe traffic drops are not an across the board problem.

    1. PaulGoodman67 profile image94
      PaulGoodman67posted 11 months agoin reply to this

      It's very bad when compared to the first five months of this year.

      But yes, it's similar to what stats were like from Sept 2019 to Dec 2020, but that was actually a terrible period for HP.

      So it depends on which comparison point you use. I still see what's happening as bad myself.

  23. charleskikas profile image91
    charleskikasposted 11 months ago

    Found this thread after starting a new one with the same question. I see that it's not just me experiencing declining traffic, (50%) or more in the past 3 months or so. Tweaking articles and crossing fingers. Thanks everyone for the suggestions here.

  24. JNalbach419 profile image89
    JNalbach419posted 11 months ago

    I’ve actually seen in increase in traffic recently. Whenever I see a drop in traffic I know it’s time to go back through and update my articles which seems to help.

  25. PaulGoodman67 profile image94
    PaulGoodman67posted 11 months ago

    The October 18th Google algo change seemed helpful. I'm so jaded now, I'm waiting for another one to come along and wipe it out. There hasn't been this many changes before ever! It's not just me saying that, SERoundtable and SEMRush too!

  26. eugbug profile image97
    eugbugposted 11 months ago

    October 21st, Semrush volatility trend heading upwards again it seems which is usually a bad sign.

    1. Shesabutterfly profile image94
      Shesabutterflyposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Does that mean the likelihood of another update is high?

      1. eugbug profile image97
        eugbugposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        The Semrush volatility graph is in the orange most of the time it seems. I don't know whether all the peaks correspond to updates.
        https://www.semrush.com/sensor/

        1. PaulGoodman67 profile image94
          PaulGoodman67posted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Yes, I don't think volatility graph is predictive, plus updates can go on for ten days or two weeks and overlap with others, so it really only tells you how much activity, in terms of things like rankings moving around, is happening at any specific time.

 
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