I propose that people who are not publishing hubs and are on the forums solely for the purpose of proseletyzing a particular faith must have a minimum HubAuthor score of at least 50 to post a topic in the Religion and Beliefs section or why not? any forum area. I am a serious writer and I post on the forums to exchange ideas with writers, not people with other agendas.
this would not shut out the legitimate hubbers who do have something to contribute whether you agree with them or not but keep the religious trolls from being able to start new threads.
because it's obvious that some people are here not to advance the hubpages community but themselves and they shouldn't be given that opportunity.
Yes Hubpages is writers community. For me, I don't prefer views from the profile which are just for the debate or are just for the agenda of some faith or no-faith. Also fake profiles are there as well just for the sake of forum discussion, i spotted 2 so far. Not sure your idea of 50 or more score will help cause hubscore drops for anyone anytime. But yes, have to look at their hubs content if they're here just for the sake of some agenda or to make offense.
i'm not saying they can't participate but for Hitler's sake, why let them start new threads?
i have no problem with people posting topics about their religious experiences... it's just under the present system, anybody can set up an account, never publish a single hub, and subject the forum goer to their pathetic attempts to aggrandize their religion.
O.k... Supposes they were to ask them to have a minimum HubAuthor score of at least 99 to post a topic in the Religion and Beliefs section?
50 is a reasonable score that any hubber can maintain if they are trying earnestly to get their message out. no matter how illiterate they are because of socioeconomic background or nationality. it's really not too much to ask.
yes, i support this too.
great idea, hamstermessiah. can i call you that? lolz
just hamster is fine... i'm not saying shut them out... just keep them from starting threads other than those sincerely asking for help with HP issues.
yes, i agree, there are some i have encountered who had not had any published hubs but were still delightful to chat with.
I prefer messiah if that is ok?
Slippery road this one. Those of us who are preparing to follow you into the new millenium, after 2012,13,14,15 or whenever you decide to pull the plug and bring us into the fold of your merciful reality, would have to object.
Also some of the religious threads attract quite a lot of people who cannot write, or spell often and excluding them is to deny free speech.
all i'm saying is that there needs to be a way to get the people who are not publishing hubs, and maybe that's the key, force them to put their money where their mouth is, to not have the privilege of confronting this community with their self-serving diatribe.
There is some discussion on other thread about black hatting or something which I understand is people coming onto the forums to get a backlink ? Would some rule that required a hub before posting a new thread in the forums fix that problem to some extent also ?
Not a fan of limiting anyone for anything I'm afraid. It is not just religionists pushing their version of the truth. Plenty of Internet marketers use the same technique to promote whatever they are selling.
It is just spam and should be marked as such. In any case - they will just drop reams of bible nonsense into hubs before posting. That last one was here for one reason only. Spam.
i also said why limit it to religion forums... this abuse goes on elsewhere too i know.
Trouble is - everyone starts with a low score. This would also prevent legitimate people from asking questions when they first joined.
Not a big fan of limits like this because the ones it hurts will be the genuine users. The religionists will just go find another site to shout about the LORD!
I don't like censorship much at all, but as it is a writers site that may save some bandwidth.
..... but would they not just cut and past bible quotes or other rubbish and call them hubs?
I do not know one hubber/believer here who is a real hubber with a low score. Look at the moderate forum participants such as habee, AEvans, Valerie, they all have decent hubs and high scores, so it may be possible. We still need to hear from the zealots somehow though, I would rather they project their fantasies here where they can be replied to by sane people than have em run amok somewhere to a more gullible audience.
you may be right there earnest... i just hate to see people take advantage of a system that is so wonderful and maybe it's just the price we have to pay for freedom of expression.
.... but would they not just cut and past bible quotes or other rubbish and call them hubs?
NO - that is called religion
Why not let the market decide ?
When a thread is declared spam or rubbish proselytism, whatever the subject is, if people ignore it, it should die by itself.
And tend to disappear in the long term. Or just be restricted to the close circle of those who are "really" interested, thus being relegated to the bottom of time sorted list.
On the other hand, if people dive in it head first to "discuss",
"debate" or fuss, the thread becomes self justified and floats on top of the time sorted list.
So, one of the reasons those kind of threads exist on first page is because they become "important" with so much demand. Even if you post in it to state how much a nuisance you feel it is, you are making it important therefore justifying its purpose.
And it floats to top thus gaining in visibility.
dude your avatar scares the bejesus out of me!!
But I think you got some valid points there but unfortunately we live in a world were bad guys get away with it all and imposing restrictions really does harm the good guys and the faithful hubbers.
Those who like to protect "gullible" souls, belong to the number of those who might "influence" gullible souls.
So, they are at home in those threads...
But then again, we're here to have fun man right ?
We suppose that all who participate are grown up adults.
So... if you think they don't know what they're doing, ask forgiveness for them to the Father.
I am against all type of censorship.
What you don't like don't read.
What you have suggested has been suggested for the forums many times. Hard to just ignore them on days when every other thread is religious. Luckily the ones who are just here to preach and not write are not in the majority, and the ones who do not have an alternate account usually disappear.
How to stop religious topics from being every other thread.
1. Allow those interested in a topic to speak to each other without others going in to insult. You know, stay out of those threads
2. Start our own threads of interest
I always wonder about the threads that are posted simply to complain that there are too many religious threads, or people are rude, etc.
If you don't like them, don't read them. And most importantly, read #2 above.
If you want a positive thread about religion, it is possible to start one yourself. Ask the trolls to stay out, and let people know you want it to stay positive. You are not obligated to respond to every poster; ignoring is perfectly OK.
It is also possible to keep the hijackers out; just ask them to back off.
I'm confused when there is a thread that complains about another one, but when you go read the "offending" thread you do not see any posts from the person who is complaining...
Hamster, your idea is valid from the point of view that HubPages is a privately owned business that has the right to restrict access if it chooses.
But, especially on a site for writers, censorship and restrictions are bad news. (And bad for business )
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