After 4 years I am done.

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   Doc Andersenposted 8 weeks ago

   I can understand the evolution of editorial standards. In the past 4 years, I've had 9 articles that were not deemed acceptable.
   I get that.
   But I've had published articles and then the ratings change.
   I've had articles that I've put in other forums and they are read by 1000s.
   
   I am done.
   
   The changes in payment make Hubpages a mess.
   
   The site has declined in efficacy and value over the last four years.

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      Miebakagh57posted 8 weeks agoin reply to this

      Many here are aware of the challenge, and have expressed they views in a positive frame of mind.                                                 Yes, the site's in decline. But Hubpages' here to stay.

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         Doc Andersenposted 8 weeks agoin reply to this

         well my stuff will stay here but my new stuff will be elsewhere.

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      jansharesposted 8 weeks agoin reply to this

      I feel you, Doc. A lot of us are hanging on by a thread. I've been here for 11 years. I understand that standards change, but coupled with everything else, it doesn't feel worth the trouble anymore.
      
      I recently received a long email about why my article has been demoted from a network site and back to Discover, detailing all the things I need to do to get it back to standard. All I could do is sigh and SMH. It's not worth the few pennies a day I'll receive for my work. I don't disagree that it could use some editing, but the incentive is no longer there.
      
      I wish you luck, prosperity in your writing, and peace of mind.

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         Doc Andersenposted 8 weeks agoin reply to this

         It is truly sad, but we move on. THnak you and the best to you as well!

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      Kenna McHughposted 8 weeks agoin reply to this

      I reviewed the articles. Regrettably, they are at HP standard. You're doing better elsewhere. I don't blame you for leaving. I would do the same.
      With that, I have observed that writers are doing well on HP. If they say they are doing well and post the fact, people knock them down, saying it's only temporary, and if HP doesn't change...blah, blah.
      Also, one writer said they were a lazy writer at HP for a long time making money. Now, they are not making money and have to work at it.
      I find that interesting because Paul E. used to post the words, "Work hard because it's not easy making money here."

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         Kenna McHughposted 8 weeks agoin reply to this

         I meant to say they are not at HP standard. Sorry for the confusion.

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            Doc Andersenposted 8 weeks agoin reply to this

            Let me put this simply to help you in the future.
            1. its you not me, is NEVER an argument to use, you did just do that by saying the article wasn't up to HP standards. Even though it was rated at the SAME level as more than 10 other articles. So, frankly i would say that isn't fair and isn't true.
            2. it is so hard to communicate with Hubpages. That, is just beyond frustrating.
            
            A wise person once said be careful who you poke.

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               greenmindposted 8 weeks agoin reply to this

               Yes very frustrating. However I read many of your articles and there are several small glitches that an editor could easily fix in one or two passes. Have to agree with Kenna that overall article quality may be an issue.
               
               I also noticed that relatively few of your articles are on a Network ("Niche") site (a few are on LetterPile but that site apparently does not pay as well as some of the others). In my experience, having articles on HP Network sites like Owlcation and Dengarden means more views and more income.

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                  Kenna McHughposted 8 weeks agoin reply to this

                  That's explained well. Thank you.

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                  PaulGoodman67posted 8 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Doc: In general terms, if you're going to start a thread in a public forum, then you will encounter differing views to your own. I don't agree with a lot of what Kenna espouses but I don't see her being disrespectful or "poking" you with her opinion.
                  
                  That said, I agree your writing would need work to get into the niches, as Greenmind (and Kenna) wrote above.
                  
                  HubPages is pretty clear about what they require. They lay down strict guidelines for almost every aspect of what they expect with articles. This wasn't always the case, things were pretty laissez-faire when I joined thirteen years ago, but it has certainly been the situation for a number of years.
                  
                  For instance, stylistically, they recommend paragraphs of three sentences or less. This is because most readers now use their phones to read. Your paragraphs would need breaking up to meet the guidelines.
                  
                  There are plenty of other strictures that you'd need to follow to stand a chance of success. Maybe HP just isn't the right fit for you.
                  
                  Having said all that, even if you do follow all the guidelines, things are difficult nowadays. I also agree with Jan that pretty much everyone is doing badly here.

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                     Miebakagh57posted 8 weeks agoin reply to this

                     Congratulations!  Perhaps on your blog or website?

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                     Doc Andersenposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                     While i do understand your point your arrogance came through in your opening statement, as hers did in her opening statement.
                     
                     I wish you the best, but honestly the arrogance and FAILURE to communicate effectivly is why i am gone.

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                  Doc Andersenposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

                  All is relative. Thank you for being a critic.

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         Doc Andersenposted 8 weeks agoin reply to this

         While I understand as a reviewer you have standards, i disagree in the application of those standards. I suspect that in the end, the application of those standards in what I would consider to be a hap hazard manner is part of the issue. The changes in the policies around views is another.

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         greenmindposted 8 weeks agoin reply to this

         All true, thank you.

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            Kenna McHughposted 8 weeks agoin reply to this

            You're welcome.

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   Genna Eastposted 7 weeks ago

   I have to agree with Paul.  Most of my work is published on LetterPile as I am a creative writer.  But I do recall with one article, I was sent a set bullet points that listed I must include "Sources".  Actually, it was rather humorous and boiler plate, and obviously Sources did not apply.  The "editor" couldn't have read the article to begin with.  Hope you are enjoying your weekend.

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      Kenna McHughposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      Yes. I sent a query to clarify, and the editor woke up and gave some good feedback. It ended up in a Network site, doing well.

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   Rupert Taylorposted 7 weeks ago

   It's not helpful to level unfounded charges of arrogance at people who genuinely offered help. Nor is it a good idea to threaten people who "poke" you. Such comments only reflect badly on you and in leaving HubPages you will not be missed.

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