Losing motivation, not making any money

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   princess gposted 14 years ago

   I realize it takes a while to start making money here. But it's hard to keep going when I only get a few cants for Adsense clicks. How long does it take to start making anything?

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      psycheskinnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It is hard to tell who makes very much here, or how.  My general approach online is to use a variety of platfrom and divde my time according to what they earn, not how engaging they are.  You can have all kind of nice hub metrics and hang out on the forums daily... and make nothing Don't be distracted from the money metric if money is your goal.

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      shazwellynposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe your writing is just too damned good!  No one wants to click on ads when you have a good article!

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         princess gposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         @shazwellyn
         
         That's it! It's obvious to me now:)

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            shazwellynposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            *wink*

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      relacheposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      That depends most often on what your Hubs are about and how well they are drawing traffic from search engines.
      
      I've got an interesting poll up on one of my Hubs where people have indicated how well they are doing.  Keep in mind the majority of the respondents are newer. 
      
      http://hubpages.com/hub/Improve-Your-Hub-Earnings
      
      When I update the poll this coming August, I'm going to add a 2nd poll where users can state how long they've been on the site.  And it's going to need at least two greater earning tiers from what I've read in the forums plus my own experience this past year.
      
      Many users need at least a year and somewhere between 50 and 100 Hubs to see steady earnings (often defined as monthly AdSense payouts).  If you've only had a single Hub up for most of the past two years, I think you still have a ways to go before you see productive results.

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      bigbellyfatposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi princess,
      
      Hang in there!  Making money online takes a lot of testing and trying different things.  Do a search on Google for a forum called the Warrior Forum.  They have tonnes of amazing information on how to make money online and there are many people discussing Hubpages in particular.  The nice thing is that the site does not cost money and it is a forum where people want to help each other succeed.  Good luck!

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      tony0724posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      princess I have barely made enough to buy a pizza and a beer here. And to tell you the truth I could care less. If you love to write I say keep writing. I write here because I feel a sense of urgency to communicate what I am feeling. And I also try to have fun with the interaction with fellow hubbers here.
      
      So I just keep saying what I have to say regardless of what my earnings may be. Writing is an artform and I am probably one of the lamest writers here , as I have no background in it. But art and commerce rarely intersect. So if money is your sole motivation this will always be a mundane labor. Have fun and write because you love it !

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      starme77posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Dont give up it will come - just keep on a writin

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   Mishaposted 14 years ago

   Well, with 22 month under your belt you obviously are doing something wrong, or not doing something you have to do. Some of my hubs touch on this

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      princess gposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I only had one hub up for most of that time

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         kirstenblogposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I think you may have spotted your biggest problem. One hub just aint gonna earn you that much money. To be honest only a few seem to have the skill to earn from 20-30 hubs. My goal when starting out was to get 100 hubs up and I am getting close. I am also seeing some small but consistent earnings (with one affiliate or the other, they trade off a lot). This stuff takes some serious work, the more work you put in the more you will get out.

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         princess gposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I meant I only had one hub up for most of the time I've been on here. I recently started writing more hubs.

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            kirstenblogposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            You may just start to see more rewarding results now that you are writing more hubs

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   Mishaposted 14 years ago

   Oh, I just visited your profile, and according to your hubs you should be teaching me the stuff, not vice versa. Since this is not the case, you may as well start with deleting all your online money making advice hubs

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      princess gposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I haven't had a problem making money anywhere else, just Hubpages.
      
      But thanks for saying that with a smiley.

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         Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hubpages are not materially different from any other place in terms of making money - you drive traffic, traffic clicks on your paying links. So, if you really are making it elsewhere, you should have no difficulties making it on HP.

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         princess gposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         That was my whole point for bringing up the question. I'm obviously doing something wrong here.
         
         I appreciate constructive critisism. Thank you.

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   Stacie Lposted 14 years ago

   I'm doing much better than last year but not as well as I had hoped...

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   Jamie101posted 14 years ago

   Don't loose hope! So you haven't become a billionaire over night, that doesn't mean you should quit. My advice is to just keep Hubbing. If your not making much money, and theres not a lot of people reading your hubs, just keep writing. One major problem might that maybe you have low scores and thats keeping people from reading them. Instead of just saying anything, you should write about something you know about. Just an idea. Good luck, hope it works out for you.
   
                             -Jamie101

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      princess gposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you for your suggestions Jamie

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   Pcunixposted 14 years ago

   Please correct ne if I am wrong, but:
   
   A quick glance at your hubs shows that many are about making money on line and one, ironically, is about maintaining motivation.
   
   And yet you ask this question..
   
   That makes me think that possibly you have little first hand experience with making money on-line and are just regurgitating stuff you have found elsewhere?  If that is not the case, I apologize; it just seems an odd question for an experienced person to ask.
   
   I DO make money on-line, about 75% of my total income comes directly or indirectly from what I do at my websites.  About 25% comes from advertising.  Yet you'll see that I don't write much about that subject - pretty much not at all here and only sporadically at my main site.  When I DO write about that I write from personal experience and knowledge, which is much better than simply parroting back what others have already said.
   
   I seldom make any money from those articles.
   
   Even though they are often very unique and are taking about this from a different approach than most, this articles usually don't make much money?  Why?  Who reads that sort of article?
   
   It is other people trying to make money, of course.  Do they usually click on ads? No,   And if they were interested in an ad, what do you think the chances are that they haven't already seen that ad at another on line money advice site?
   
   So - unless you have a unique product or service  to promote with those posts, I strongly suggest writing about something else.
   
   I hope you find this helpful and are not offended.

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      Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Oops, I apologize for the bad typing above.  In a hurry and banging it out on my iPad...

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         Website Examinerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         You could edit the post.

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            Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks - I did not notice the "More" button with the edit choice.

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               Website Examinerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Ah, so you are viewing in Threaded view. If using Chronological view, there is an edit button readily visible.

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                  sunforgedposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  hes on an iPad - maybe diff view altogether

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                     Website Examinerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     That's what I am beginning to suspect, thanks.

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                        relacheposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        The forum appear the same on an iPad and on a desktop or laptop.

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                           Website Examinerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           I have different browsers showing the forum differently. Some only provide the threaded view.

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                        Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Threaded view, but other than that, it's the same on the iPad as it is on my Mac.  I have only been here a bit over a week; just didn't notice that I could edit after posting.  I appreciate that you pointed that out!

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                           Website Examinerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           You are welcome.

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      princess gposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I have hundreds of articles online. I've been doing this for three years. And no, the majority are not about making money online. I've done quite well at other article writing sites. It just seems that I started seeing money coming in a lot qicker on other sites, like Ehow.

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         sunforgedposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         sites like eHow were paying you for impressions - here you have the potential and the burden of converting your own visitors.
         
         Play w/ your layouts and monetization methods - and be sure your traffic is targeted search traffic.
         
         I agree with Misha - Hp is not that different from most, if you  can make it elsewhere you can make it here

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            Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            It's the opposite of New York, then :-)

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         Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         OK.  Fair enough.  Perhaps my comments will help someone else.

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   Christeneposted 14 years ago

   Not that I'm raking in the money here either...
   but it looks like you need to focus on getting more visitors. It might not help with sales, but it will with AdSense.
   
   I just noticed your traffic accolade stamp thing is still 1,000. I've been here for 5 months, with 9 hubs and passed the 10,000 mark. I just started seeing a boost to my Amazon and AdSense earnings within the past month.

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   theirishobserver.posted 14 years ago

   I think you should follow some of Misha's hubs - he has some real good advice on his hubs -

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      princess gposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I just might...if he starts to be a bit nicer to me:)

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   englightenedsoulposted 14 years ago

   Princess g be patient and don't quit.  Also I have just published a hub on how I earned $100 in my first six months at hubpages.  You might find that useful!!!

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      shazwellynposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hi enlightened.. havent seen you around.  I tried to honor you in one of my hubs and your username no longer existed.  What happened?

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         englightenedsoulposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Well I had met with an accident and was discharged day before yesterday.  And may be there might be some glitch with hubpages as I would never quit.  Anyways how are you...Missed ya...I still have some work pending from the 60 day challenge would need to do it asap.

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            shazwellynposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            OMG... an accident!  How awful!  Missed you too mate!

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      princess gposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks:)
      
      I doubt I will quit, I'm relatively stubborn. I've put in too much work to let it go. I just need to figure out how to do it better.

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         Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I suspect you are probably doing fine,  I went back and looked at more of your stuff; you have decent subjects, nothing wrong with your writing..  The stuff just needs to season a little.

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         kimberlyslyricsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         princess I can say I am thrilled about that because you are one of the ones I have truly learnt from and look up to
         
         

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    eltravoseposted 14 years ago

    Don't look at your earnings for a while, and just blog and make niche sites.

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    englightenedsoulposted 14 years ago

    @Shaz
    
    Congratulations Shaz, your hub "How to SEO" was featured on the front page.  I read it and I must say you would surely be a powerful internet marketer soon.  I also liked the fact that your hub kicked off a nice constructive debate.  I would comment on your hub tomm (as I have a few question, curious mind just like you) as it is 12:40 here and I have fractured my right hand which is my dominant hand and I just written a 1200 word hub so totally tired.

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       shazwellynposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Wow... was it... featured?  I wish I had a pic of that!  I had no idea!  I think it is good to debate - it is all about learning, dont you think?
       
       Awww... sorry to hear about your hand!  Hope you get better soon x

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          englightenedsoulposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Yep it was featured and let me see if I can get a snap for you by logging out.  And I love debates, they are a wonderful learning experience.
          And thanks for wishing me a speedy recovery!!!

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    Internetwriter62posted 14 years ago

    Making money on Adsense for most is a slow process. I know there are those who have 8000 page views per day and have made $7,000 plus in less than a year, but what you must bear in mind is that those are more the exception than the rule. Don't get discouraged, you will see an improvement in your earnings, just keep writing, don't give up.

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       Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Most definitely true,  I have a site that sees 7-10 thousand pageviews a day and typically earns less than $30 a day.
       
       Now, most of that comes from far fewer views of a small number of pages, but it does show that Adsense is a fickle beast.

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    raisingmeposted 14 years ago

    Money is not a goal it is only one outcome, of providing a product or a service that is needed and wanted by others.  If money is your motivation then you are most likely without a vision of what it is you want to produce or provide to others.  If I put out a question such as How can I make more money?  The litany of answers to that question would range anywhere from drug dealing to business tycoon, prostitute to real estate mogul and everything in between.  It would create a multitude of visions the majority of which I wouldn't have a hope of carrying through to a completion on.  If I ask myself what to people really need or what do people really really want, I get far different answers and I look for needs and wants that I can facilitate others in their fulfillment of those needs and wants.  What do I really, really want to contribute?  You will feel motivated if your goal is to provide something of value, you won't feel motivated if all your attention is tied up in the by product of working towards and achieving that goal. Find out what does motivate you, what truly motivates you - it won't be money!
    
    The people on these hubpages that share their knowledge about how to make money on line, etc. are sharing knowledge - it is the knowledge that is valuable because the more knowledge one has, the more they apply it in life, the more power they have.  Their goal is to share their knowledge and money is nothing other than a by-product of them having done so.  End of lecture!

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    M.s Fowlerposted 14 years ago

    Help do you make money when you first start should I give up and leave or just write hood arfticles cause my proper ones arent getting any attention

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       relacheposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       You've only been on the site for 22 hours.  Be realistic about "getting attention.".
       
       Also, it's clear from the fact that you've put all your text into multiple comment capsules that you haven't even figured out how the site or Hubs work.
       
       Go read all of this, http://learningcenter.hubpages.com/

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       Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       You also won't make much money from a hub that has been published elsewhere before.

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    Research Analystposted 14 years ago

    Maybe if you write about evergreen topics, it will work better for you. Nellie Hoxie makes her hubs about actual products that people want to buy online. Have you tried writing about stuff like that? because the "make money online" niche is too competitive to rank for.

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    sunforgedposted 14 years ago

    You have had a lot of great answers!
    
    And those that answered kind of reflect their own winning strategies - there are of course many that work.
    
    If you have a bunch of hubs or articles and your not getting traffic then your keyword research stinks
    
    If you have a bunch of articles and your getting a little traffic but not as much as you should - then your promotion game needs an up
    
    Some people write in very very small niches and dont have to worry much about backlinks or promotion as they are the only cart in town.
    
    Once you have traffic and your not making money - then your keyword research stinks or your conception of what could be profitable - You may rank for "how to change a light bulb" but obviously that searcher probably doesnt require any info on where to buy new lightbulbs (although, they may be interested in your other article on "how do zippers work" )or on amore serious note that article may generate tons of traffic and you can link it out to an article on "Why energy saving light bulbs can save you money" that article may make cents.
    
    If your in a reasonably profitable term/niche and your not making loot - then your layout or writing style may be at fault
    
    If adsense is your goal then this may help
    Why dont I make money with adsense
    
    
    If your aiming for sales via ebay/amazon then your approach should be completely different
    
    You could get some overflow into your adsense on an ebay/amazon focused hub but its not likely to work the other way

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    Dolores Monetposted 14 years ago

    I found myself making some money when I created similar hubs and linked them; got myself some outside links coming in; attempted to write hubs that would be of interest to people who may want to click ads and buy stuff.

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    Cheeky Girlposted 14 years ago

    I agree with Dolores, concentrate on the hubs and them having relevant content, by all means. But people love a nice spread of interesting subjects and seeing this - they will re-visit you often. Having a blog or website somewhere with links that point back to your hubs and profile here will help get you fresh traffic from outside the Hub pages regulars. When I started off on Hubs, I made a point of reading other people's hubs and becoming fans, and many reciprocated. Also, some Hub Karma would do you good, as that will bring up your rating a bit too. Your hubs are very good. Don't lose the will to write hubs, we all have to keep it up to get the rating up and people interested in our hubs. Be different, if you like. Pick subjects that others would not write about. Best of luck.

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    sunbriteposted 14 years ago

    There is a lot of great advice on here. Thanks!! I suspected it would take time to make money. Patience is important and also enjoying the journey while you fill yourself with knowledge.

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       psycheskinnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I must admit that I have not made a cent yet.  I am starting to think I should put my time into my online indeavours that do reliably make money.

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    thisisoliposted 14 years ago

    Keep at it and you will start to earn, I would however suggest finding more niche topics, a lot of your work is in high competition areas, which means you will be competing with thousands of other marketers, when you want to be competing with only a hanndful.

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