the issue of article spinners

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   kiigeorgeposted 14 years ago

   Anyone have any comments on article spinners ?
   
   i know they are evil -
   and i would never spin someone else's article, but i have thought about the possibility of spinning one of my own. I have not  thought that through yet.
   
   And there are two more things to be say about  them ..
   since they are about, and sometimes you get the impression they are everywhere, one can only suppose that unscrupulous people are coming to hub pages to source articles, and then going away to spin them on other sites, while honest people are loosing out.  Is there anyway to protect against them ?
   
   The other thing to note - is that this is the one of the ways Mr. Google is imperfect. Not being able to recognize a spun article, which although they change in syntax, i believe they remain similar in structure, and maybe in word count too. But the word count thing can easily be changed.
   
   Anyone have any comments in the light the above ?
   unscrupulous people, and the " imperfect Google ? "
   
   I realize that just  talking about it might in fact encourage some to think about doing it - and this is a worry.  On the other hand i believe issues need to be out in the open.
   
   Meanwhile i'll go seek out other hubs on the subject. I remember seeing a few headlines but i did not book mark them at the time.
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      blbhhdcnposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      If ure a true writer, you're honest. You don't copy and republish articles of others.
      
      Read books and other sources to learn and be able to share what you know by writing an article.

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   mdlawyerposted 14 years ago

   Free article spinning softwares are available in the Internet an you can try yourself. No meaningful content can be created through spinning.  The software would put some synonyms for the actual words and the result will be a meaningless and sometimes absurd and laughable passage.  It cnnot be published on any site like Hubpages.  I think AdSense will not approve it for spam.

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   kiigeorgeposted 14 years ago

   good news - they dont work. Ive seen one that is supposed to, but that could be spin ! But if they don't work thats great.

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   kiigeorgeposted 14 years ago

   good thread here for anyone interested in comments on article spinners and getting traffic
   
   http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/49235

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   kephriraposted 14 years ago

   I recently joined a pro link building program that includes free access to an article spinner. I've always avoided them in the past because of having seen the nonsensical results, but I've actually found that it is possible to get reasonable results if are willing to put a bit of thought into it.
   
   I had always assumed that article spinners automatically replaced words, but the one I am now using is a manual one where you highlight a word or phrase, click a button, and then type in an alternative. I can quite easily get a load of articles with at least 60-70% rewrite that might be a little bit clumsy but make complete sense and wouldn't seem obviously spun to a reader.
   
   Spinning someone else's article is a completely different thing - that is theft - but I don't see anything wrong with spinning your own articles to submit to directories and so on.

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      kiigeorgeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      thanks for those comments kephrira - 
      pretty much the way i'm tending to think , but reserving judgement till i know more about it.

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   mdlawyerposted 14 years ago

   What kephrira said is right.  Manual spinning can be used to rewrite our own articles.  But again, if you are good at language, I feel, rewriting ourselves might be easier and more original and natural.

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      kephriraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Actually rewriting an article yourself is definitely better, and I've done that a few times before, but it would take a long time and be very boring indeed to write 10-15 different versions of an article.

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         kiigeorgeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         yes !

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   Dale Mazurekposted 14 years ago

   I do quite well and have not yet fallen into the trap of spinners.
   
   If I put my mind to it I can put out 20 or 30 articles a day with all of them being a rewrite of the first one.
   
   This can get boring but I think of it as a part of what I need to do to survive with my online income.
   
   The thing is even if you wrote one article a day you would have 365 articles at the end of the year.  That is more than most people will ever write.
   
   I try and stay with an average of 5 a day and hopefully never fall into the trap of spinning.
   
   Dale

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      kiigeorgeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      yes Dale and i suspect a spinner may take as long as long as a rewrite - if you want to fix what it does
      
      but Kephrira's post above counters that, and he's actually tried one. On his own articles of course.

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         kephriraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         It doesn't take as long as rewriting. As an example, if you have a three word sentence and you put in an alternative to each of those words in a spinner, you don't just get 2 alternatives, because the spinner can change just the first word, or the second word, or the third, or the first two, or the last two, or the first and third. So in just a little over the time it takes to write 2 versions of any article you can get 10+ with high rewrite and many more with lower levels of rewrite if you want them.

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            kiigeorgeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            now that makes sense .. shows value, cause our time is valuable

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   Len Cannonposted 14 years ago

   I'm just going to throw it out there: if you really need the same article rewritten a 100 times, you can pay a non-native English speaker like 2 dollars per article and still get something a thousand times more coherent and useful than the average spun article.

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      kiigeorgeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      but what about the better than average article spinner ?
      Ive read most article spinners are pretty useless and do spit out drivel, but there are supposed to be pretty good ones too.

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      kephriraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Lee, article directories can be a useful source of links, but they just aren't worth $2 per article, so I think you would make a massive loss like that. Also, as I said, you can make completely coherent articles if you make an effort. Just because some people who use them don't really care and throw out lots of drivel, doesn't mean everyone does.

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         Len Cannonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         It looks like you put my name through an article spinner, too.

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            kephriraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Sorry Jen..I mean Den...no Dan...

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   Nelle Hoxieposted 14 years ago

   If you want to make alot of money online, the second most important thing you will have to learn to do is write compelling marketing copy for both search engines and people. If you are capable of speaking and writing in American English, then write your own copy and keep writing it, until you are very good at it.
   
   Spinners might make for a lot of copy but are a poor subsitution for the real thing.
   
   G is spending a lot of money on learning what real language is and how to spot spinners and spam.

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      Dale Mazurekposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      If you are going to listen to one person here listen to Nelle.  She backs up what she says.
      
      Great advice Nelle
      
      Dale

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      kephriraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Nelle, of course you need to be able to write well. And if I write an article I do make an effort to write well and then publish it somewhere like hubpages or one of my websites.
      
      But being able to then have a few different versions of that original article to publish elsewhere with backlinks to the original article is something that I am finding very useful and although I have only been doing it for a couple of weeks I am already getting more traffic.

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      kiigeorgeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Nelle
      interesting to know G is working on the problem, as one would hope and expect
      
      kephrira
      very sensible .. its about making best use of our own work ( not stolen )  and doing it efficiently. it's just getting a little more mileage out of a great beginner article you have spent a lot of time on

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    Nelle Hoxieposted 14 years ago

    Dale good to have you around again.

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    Mishaposted 14 years ago

    I use spinners all the time. As I once mentioned already more than one of my hubs are spun copy. The trick is to do a quality spin template. It's a damn hard work and not something one would do for say 20 articles. Once you do it, you use it to the full extent.

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       kephriraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi Misha, good to have a bit of backup on this   especially from someone I know to be successful.

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       kiigeorgeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       thanks for that Misha ..
       " quality " is the operative word  .. there are " quality " spun articles that have extra work and finesse put on them ..and low quality rubbish spin.
       
       " not all spins are equal  ! "
       
       so its just another tool to help along the way, with fix ups by a real person.

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    Aficionadaposted 14 years ago

    Just a question here -  I don't have any other websites or blogs or anything, just HP, and I don't see any need for rewriting the same article (for myself, I mean) at this time.  But, if I wanted to, couldn't I just copy the article to a word-processor and use the Find and Replace commands? Isn't that essentially what a spinner does?

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    Lisa HWposted 14 years ago

    I can see how they could be useful to someone under some circumstances, but the person using them needs to know the language well enough to recognize ridiculous wording when he sees it.  It's obvious a lot of people who have those ridiculous Hubs didn't write the thing the first time around either (and that's what, maybe, makes spinners seem more offensive than they really ought to).

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    tony0724posted 14 years ago

    I gotta level with you , I am so technologically challenged I had never heard of this.

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    kiigeorgeposted 14 years ago

    no prob's Tony ..we all started that way ..you will learn. Hang on, ive just noticed youv'e written 1200 posts and 96 hubs. So your not a newbie by an means ! So you mean your new to the idea of article spinners. Ok. So this thread might be useful, and you'll find others on the subject.

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       tony0724posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       But still technologically challenged. I am slowly but surely starting to figure this stuff out !

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