Re: HP Ad Program

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   SunSevenposted 13 years ago

   I was wondering whether it is possible to include the referral views as well in the impression count. It will be a great income opportunity for a non active hubber (or any hubber with a lot of referrals) with many referral views. The same referral view (splits) credits with Adsense may be applicable in this case? Thanks in advance.
   
   Best Regards
   SunSeven

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      SunSevenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Any views regarding this from beta testers?

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      Jason Menayanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      SunSeven - I'm not sure I understand your suggestion. Could you explain?

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         SunSevenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Sorry Jason, I was just about to log out when I noticed your reply. I realize  that its tough times and your are having a no deep-breath moments right now. Actually I didnt expect a response under the present atmosphere. Thank you so much.
         
         What I meant was that, if the 10/12 percentage referral views credited to the hubber with the adsense impressions according to our old revenue sharing program, will be followed by the HP ad program as well?
         
         Best Regards
         SunSeven

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            Jason Menayanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, absolutely.
            
            For example, let's say you participate in the HubPages Ad Program, but a Hubber you referred is not. On your 10% of impressions of his Hubs, your ad layout will include both AdSense and Program ads, even though on his 60% of impressions, it will be only AdSense.

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   SunSevenposted 13 years ago

   Bump

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   skyfireposted 13 years ago

   It'll be loss of revenue on HP's side if they implement that because traffic is going down every day. Squidoo's one time referral bonus(5$ i guess) model fits in this case and also avoids loss of revenue.

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   SunSevenposted 13 years ago

   Is HP modeled on Squidoo? I dont think so. We dont have to follow them.
   
   Best Regards

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   skyfireposted 13 years ago

   It's not about model, it's about profit. Adsense/amazon earning on hubpages is going down for everyone. In such situation, adding referrals to ad program will only reduce their earnings. By the way, new ad program from hubpages is similar to squidoo.

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      ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      The new ad program isn't similar to the Squidoo model, because on Squidoo they run a co-op, you are paid in accordance with your traffic.
      
      On Hubpages it is possible to get a $1 cpm or a $10 cpm, I believe that it is very much member specific. They still have a means of valuing your traffic.

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         skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Squidoo is showing 'display-ads' similar to HP ad program from advertisers for quite some time. But due to lensrank model we're not benefiting from the cpm rates directly. There is always big cut from squidoo team on almost every co-op mode. For example, amazon co-op earnings are always stuck at 4% no matter how many items you sale. So yes, they're similar on 'ad-display program point' but not in terms of revenue generation.
         
         As per my observation HP's program is much better than squidoo's ad-display program because there is no lensrank-like model interfering in between hubbers and cpm rate, hence testers are getting better results. Or maybe i'm wrong with that observation ?

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   SunSevenposted 13 years ago

   My ebay earnings went up (yes, I managed to get a new account). Amazon is at par. Adsense went down. HP ads made up for it. So, it is no loss - no win for me at the moment.

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   SunSevenposted 13 years ago

   I dont think HP is looking forward to make a quick buck at the moment. I still firmly believe that its a better business model than squidoo and the rest of the pack.

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   SunSevenposted 13 years ago

   The panic stricken is spewing theories around, which may misguide the uninitiated. Time to respond admin?

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      ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I hope that this post by me: http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/70599
      
      Can help to dispel these theories

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   Nelle Hoxieposted 13 years ago

   SunSeven Congrats on your new ebay account.

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      ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      How did you get that SunSeven? Through a personal site? If so, may I see a link to your site? I want to know what kind of standard to shoot for, I wouldn't mind one of those myself!

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         SunSevenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Why would I want to do that? I dont want to shoot my foot again!

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            ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Want to do what? I just wanted to know whether you applied with a personal site?
            
            Do you think that I am going to try and steal your site idea? I've got my own sites, just a yes or no would do?

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               Nelle Hoxieposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Ryan, in the hard-core world of affiliate marketing - no one ever gives up their sites. (And some might consider it rude to ask.)
               
               It's different wtih something like my Cape Cod site, which would be hard to copy - and woe to anyone who tries. But believe me my bread and butter affiliate sites have never come near HP and never will. That info is known by maybe three peopl in my life.

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                  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Fair enough. I still don't appreciate this comment though:
                  
                  "Thanks ryan. I adore your naivety, once I was like you. I guess you are not a part of admin? I admire the verve, the theories, the zeal, the guts."
                  
                  Which I found most patronising. You used to share a few of your sites on your profile by the way
                  
                  I find it amusing though, that one will backlink their site throughout the web, using the websites of other webmasters as a platform, yet are unwilling to share that site domain with... errr.... webmasters.
                  
                  I am in a position of trust with Excerptz, a big one, I will be anyway. Analytics dictates that. I do consider myself to have integrity, and thus that is why my asking is innocent. Niavity it is not. Nobody knows what domains I own either.

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                     Nelle Hoxieposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Ryan I have shared a tiny number of my unimportant affiliate sites here. Those sites were never linked to the main part of my "online empire." I wanted to see if the traffic would pop - it did not. And the number of copycats that they spawned was a lesson learned for me. Those sites are now dead and dying.
                     
                     In fact the main part of my earnings is conducted under a corporate identity that you'll never find.
                     
                     You have to understand that in the world I live in away from HP - even asking the someone for their sites is considered niave (and as I said rude). Online marketing is a strange world of coopitetion. We need to share a bit with our competiters, but never too much.
                     
                     The Nelle identity is a relatively new public image that I will have to learn to protect. I'm actually working with an expert on this now. It was probably a mistake to post on the forums under it. But live and learn.

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                        ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        That's fair enough.  But, all SunSeven had to say was something like:
                        
                        "Yes I applied via one of my own sites, but I don't disclose those".
                        
                        I keep my sites secret now too, with the exception of course of my collaborative one, which benefits from the publicity and will become too large for successful pages to be easily identified.
                        
                        I had BestLaptopCoolersDOTcom face competition from BestLaptopCoolers.info, then I just pulled the site completely. I am building that back up and will soon have
                        
                        But I have five or six domains which are now not associated with my name in any form and I have privacy on them too.
                        
                        It's all good, she didn't want to disclose the site, but she could have handled my innocent question better. A polite refusal to disclose the site is all that was required, I wasn't asking her weight.
                        
                        I was effectively asking for any advice that she may wish to give me in my pursuit of an eBay affiliate account, I didn't neccessarily need a domain, I could have had a description. A "sales site" would have done. If SunSeven ever loses that eBay account, and of course I hope that she doesn't, will she remember her refusal to share minimal information and her uppity attitude towards those on Hubpages who are currently worried about their income when she posts on here bemoaning a loss of income? Probably not.
                        
                        Sites come in all different forms, how was I to know that it was a keyword rich micro-site or two with 10 posts making thousands a month?  She could have had a specialist site like PCunix, or a local guide like your or Bill, or a collaborative site like me or Squoogle.
                        
                        But the best to you, the best to SunSeven, we all have irons in the fire, and here is to our success. She perhaps assumes that I am very one track and entirely reliant on Hubpages, and that I haven't progressed past that stage, that isn't the case and will never be the case. I actually have an offline residual income, no rent and no mortgage, and see myself becoming extremely successful this year.
                        
                        I will do that without the need to try and squeeze domains out of hubbers, I pay Market Samurai for that my market insights

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      SunSevenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks Nelle. Actually I its doing pretty well at the moment.
      Best wishes for your adventures ahead.

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    SunSevenposted 13 years ago

    Like excerpts?
    
    Its 'cause Once I was like you getting excited about anything and every fly wing swing, it was really really naive of me, and I suffered, beacuse of that, but I learned well through experiences.
    
    I owe alot to my fellow hubbers like Chuck, Jimmythejock, Hal Licino, Mark Knowles, Isabella and the one and only Mishkeen.
    
    The last time I checked I owe him 5 dollars us!
    
    BTW, I always enjoy the toewrestlinig between the unixman vs misha and mark
    
    Best Regards.

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       ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Excerptz is one of my sites.
       
       I wouldn't apply for eBay with a multi-user site, as this is what they don't like.
       
       I also have product sites being built, and a local travel guide site like Bill's and Nelle's for my local area.
       
       I own 18 domains.

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    SunSevenposted 13 years ago

    I have a few 100s in my domain name kitty. I am planning to sell some of it. Let me know if you are interested.

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       ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I have too many to develop right now to be honest, I have all the domains that I need
       
       Try SEDO, that site can sometimes pay dividends, plus it does free parking with AdSense.

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    SunSevenposted 13 years ago

    Sedo is crap. Free parking is crap. Adsense for domains is useless.
    
    The best way to sell your rusting domain is.......
    
    Be innovative.
    
    Best Regards

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       ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I don't want to sell any of my domains, but if I did have domains to sell I would do this:
       
       1) Use one of them with a checkout cart to sell the domains.
       2) Put "this domain is for sale, to make an offer for this domain and to peruse a selection of other domains visit THIS LINK" on each of those domains.
       
       Easy. Unless you consider innovative asking people on Hubpages whether they want to buy a domain

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    SunSevenposted 13 years ago

    Thanks a lot Jason for the clarification. You are the BEST.
    
    BTW, that coffee is getting cold!
    
    Best Regards

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    lakeerieartistsposted 13 years ago

    Ryan, I have to agree with Nelle here.  I am open online with the identities that I wish to drive traffic to my store, Lake Erie Artists Gallery, but my work under other names is kept private. 
    
    After being in business for myself for, wow, 20 years, it is beyond naive to share what you don't expect to see copied, or attempted by others.
    
    Most people in the business world have learned this lesson the hard, painful way, and don't want to repeat it more than necessary.  This is not just online either.
    
    I had someone who was a close friend (I thought) and business partner, outright steal from me behind my back.
    
    BTW, Nelle, I love the Cape Cod site, and hope to be one of the people asking you for directions on the street someday.

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       ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, I agree with Nelle too, she is quite right in what she says.
       
       But I also said "just a yes or no would do?".
       
       So the answer is "yes" she applied with a personal site. Done, dusted, all that I need to know.
       
       It would be nice to know if that was a product site, a review site, or the type of site that she used, but hey I have my intuition.
       
       A refusal to disclose the domain differs from a refusal to offer any insight whatsoever, however broad. And I will remember it, that is all.
       
       Your artists site is another which benefits from publicity, I cannot live my life assuming that the answer to a question is a sensitive one.

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    skyfireposted 13 years ago

    I do think it's fair point not to share affiliate marketing site. But the question was how ebay approval was achieved and to that  you can still answer without giving your URL. Ebay is tough nut to crack for many of us and even small pointer could help. I learned many tricks about FB PPC/CPA from other affiliates without knowing their sites/products. Jeez, even BHW folks don't treat newbie affiliates like this, sorry that was pure attitude ownage and totally uncalled for. Oh well, it's hubpages so there...

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       ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Thank you, that is all that I was trying to say. I will always respect peoples right to privacy, I found her answer and her suggestion that I was niave as inappropriate and slightly offensive.
       
       That is all, no skin off of my back, there are plenty of people to converse with, but I will remember if she ever seeks help or advice. That is all.

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          lakeerieartistsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I actually have a newbie that I would like to introduce to Ebay, and I am not sure what to tell her to do.  I never had these issues because I already had an established website before I applied anywhere.
          
          Got to get her writing first.
          
          Ryan, I applied to Ebay years ago, and the rules have changed so much since then.  I suspect that they like people who are selling in certain categories more than others, and also have established themselves as signing up a lot of new customers.  I have no proof of this.  I also think they like customers that will be more likely to buy from eBay because of what they are buying that is not as available on their competitors' sites like Amazon.
          
          This is all speculation though.

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