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Nathan Janesposted 11 years ago
So I am trying to publish my articles that I have written so that they may be shared on this site and I am being told that I can't because they have been found on places like my website and such.

I have never been paid or hired to put my work on a page and no one owns my work, so why can't I put my work on here to share with everyone?
This is confusing and aggravating.

Thanks for your help,

Nathan
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  CMHypnoposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The TOS of HubPages is that you can only post original content that has not been posted anywhere else. Even if you wrote it, copied content is not allowed.
  
  Write something exclusively for HubPages and you will be fine!
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  Nathan Janesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I guess if this site doesn't want to make any money off my articles that is their loss. It seems quite selfish for a site supporting independent writers to insist that they only put their work on this site and only this site.
  They are cutting their own throats when it could be their site that launches a writer that was previously on the web, but was never noticed till they were a part of Hubpages. Being selfish will only guarantee that you will limit your ability to market writers and your chances at income.
  
  If I can't share my work here, I guess I'll continue to look for someone that will eventually hire me and then pay me to share my work, or just stick with those that support the sharing of independent writers.
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  CMHypnoposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It's not selfish - Google does not like copied content on the web, and the amount of copied content on this site was, and still is, hurting the whole of HP.
  
  Write one article, place it on one website. Why would you need it in multiple locations, as it's only clogging up an already saturated web environment. You can bookmark your articles, backlink them and generally promote them, but again always try to use unique copy in each of your bookmarks and blurbs.
  
  HP are not cutting their own throats, they are trying to stitch up already existing open wounds!
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  Nathan Janesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I think this site will fail like many others when they limit their content to be exclusively for HubPages and nothing else. Independent writers don't like to take a risk of counting on one site to be the engine of their success. If this site doesn't prove to be what it says then what are we to assume that the next site we try and publish our work on will say we can't share our work, because the last site our work appeared on failed at marketing our articles and now we can't try the new site to publish our work because the last failed.
  
  I'd love to share my work here and it would be a great loss if I can't because a site that wants to support independent writers is acting as if they are a mainstream outlet that pays the writers and owns their work exclusively for their site
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  CMHypnoposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You sound like a spammer.
  
  HP has absolutely no responsibility for marketing your articles, that is entirely for you to do.
  
  I do not work for Google, but if you do not at least attempt to work out what it is that the currently biggest search engine wants then your content will be buried.
  
  HP does not make any money from the unnoticed and undiscovered - just like the writers here they need Hubs to be highly visible in SERPs and gaining a lot of traffic to make any money.
  
  But at the end of the day - it is their site, their business, they make the rules!
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Nathan Janesposted 11 years ago
CMHypno do you work for Google, why are you so concerned with them as if they own the web.
If I were to take a guess I am beginning to think this site is the creation by larger interests, seeking out to make a profit on the unnoticed and undiscovered.
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Uninvited Writerposted 11 years ago
I think HubPages will survive without your articles.
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ChrisIndellicatiposted 11 years ago
just because he wrote it in two different places doesn't mean its not original.
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  Nathan Janesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly!
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  Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The TOS says that only unique articles are allowed...period.
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  Nathan Janesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I've heard of "social networking", but this sounds like "anti-social networking"
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  Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  This is not a social networking site.
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  Nathan Janesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Really, last I checked it was a hub for writers connect & to share their articles with each other???
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  Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No, it is a place to publish so the search engines find your articles and possibly earn you some money.
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  CMHypnoposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Go read the TOS, unless you want every hub you post flagged and removed! Like UW said, this is not a social networking site!
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Nathan Janesposted 11 years ago
My bad its officially a Social Media Site, but which still encourages the social networking of its writers, so yes this is a social networking site I guess.
Hubpages and its Benefits

Well too bad, I was just looking to network with other writers and share my work with them.
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  CMHypnoposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Why not just write some original articles, post them here and get to know some hubbers? You know, you may even enjoy it?
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  Nathan Janesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Being that you have invested so much in speaking for the company, I'm going to assume that CMHypno & UW are somehow connected to this company in the form of Public Relations and speak on their behalf.
  
  Well, so long!
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  CMHypnoposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I can assure you that neither UW or myself work for HP. We just happen to have been here long enough to know the rules, and told you them when you asked.
  
  I'm sorry that you are so disappointed, but did you really think that they were miraculously going to change them just because you rolled into town and didn't like them?
  
  Good luck with your writing.
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frogdroppingposted 11 years ago
I'm afraid (Nathan) that Google and the way in which it works does have a bearing on sites all across the net. Those that are the same as this one, similar, your own sites.

Whether or not the work is your own is irrelevant. Whilst Google can't read, the system does recognise duplicate content. However great a writer you are, duplicating your work around the internet will not gain you the traffic you require. It's far more likely that you'll suffer a penalty and find your work buried.

Sites such as this reflect how the search engines gather their data. They work within the parameters of the services that they rely on in order to attract search engine traffic.

On the flip side, it also means that anyone that scrapes your content (plagiarises) are equally penalised. It helps to protect the inegrity of the original author.

Don't get mad about it, try and understand how it works. I appreciate your frustration but - that's the way the internet works.

Imagine you invent something fantastic in the real world. Then someone copies your idea. Same scenario. You lose out to someone else's thieving attitude.
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  Nathan Janesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Everything is shared on the internet..you can't stop people from sharing content within their blogs. There are mainstream articles copied and shared everyday. Are you saying that these popular articles are buried and disappear off the net because they are popular?
  Wait for the next big story and then see how many people share that info..it makes it more popular. It seems to me you are being led by your master (Google) and formulating your ideas based on what they want your perception to be of the internet.
  The truth is that the internet doesn't work the way you say it does.
  I can do a simple article headline search in facebook and find a large assortment of people that share my articles which they found on different sites (Not just one) It's because they are on different sites people are more likely to find them.
  Just the same as many popular alternative news site have duplicates sites so if someone doesn't find their news on one site, they may come across it on another.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Sharing does not mean the entire article is posted in several places. You can link to articles as often as you wish and write a unique summary. Reprinting the entire article will only hurt you in the long run. If I was looking to read a specific writer's work I would get very cheesed off if I kept finding the same article wherever I went.
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  Nathan Janesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I'd hate to break it to ya, but entire articles are shared everywhere on the web. It's what people do in order to spread the information in which the deem as important.
  Keep following the pigeon hole that Google wants to keep you in. There is a reason, because they don't want alternative media competing with the mainstream and muddying up their search results.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Just because lots of people do it does not make it right. And that is why so many DMCAs are filed daily. People are smarter to spread links than reprint the entire article.
  
  Every single site I write for is now demanding that all articles must be unique.
  
  Nothing to do with denying alternative media a choice, if they article is unique there is nothing to worry about.
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  classicalgeekposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You say, "I'd hate to break it to ya, but entire articles are shared everywhere on the web. It's what people do in order to spread the information in which the deem as important."
  
  And yet I notice on your site that it says, "No part of this site may be copied or modified without written permission."
  
  Forgive me but my brain is not passively absorbing all these remarks without analysis. I spent all week last week filing DMCA takedown notices because my article had been copied and shared everywhere on the web. So I'm a little leery of your hypocrisy.
  
  And UW is right, there is only one site I know of where you can post non-unique content. If you want to simply repost your stuff over and over, why not open 1,000 blogger blogs and repost your information as you please? (Oh, wait, does that violate Blogger's TOS?)
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  Nathan Janesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  My work is not to be promoted as other than my work. Sites and people that share my articles also post the author info. ( I have yet to come across anyone posting my articles as if they are their own) I have no problem with people sharing my articles...that's the whole point, but my website is copyrighted to say I am the creator of the work.
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  classicalgeekposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  People have copied my article plenty as if it were their own. I should know, as I spent all last week filing copyright infringement claims, even against supposedly reputable sites, and my work was copyrighted, too. That is why HP and all these other sites have these policies of unique content only; it is a) to protect the original authors; and b) to maximize the amount of money to be made from the articles that are posted here.
  
  If you like, I will be happy to repost your articles as my own on a ton of non-English speaking sites where these rules are not enforced, and you will quickly come to understand the value of HP's policy of unique content only.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Like Frogdropping said: you can't educate carrots
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  Nathan Janesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Unlike your suggestion, people that share my articles don't try and steal them and promote them under the perception of theirs.
  
  If you could put my article up on the non-speaking sites it would be great. Reaching more people with my important information is the key. Please share my articles with them. Thanks!
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  IzzyMposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Nathan is right here. Google does not frown on duplicate content being posted so long as it also contains links back to the original author.
  And that is a very good strategy he has of making podcasts or sound only videos to read out the words he has written as he will potentially reach a far wider audience.
  However, that does not change the fact that HP rules do not allow any content that is not unique to Hubpages.
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  Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Really?
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  IzzyMposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  "What about duplicate content, you might ask? If your article is out on all these sites that are running a syndication feed, are you going to be penalized for duplicate content? According to Matt Cutts of Google, as long as the syndicated articles link back to the source site, you're all right."
  
  http://www.ideamarketers.com/?Article_S … eid=193680
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  Nathan Janesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you IzzyM for your voice of reason.
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  psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Your dupes are not feeds.
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  Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Feeds are treated differently than Articles themselves.
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  IzzyMposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That particular article mentioned feeds.
  
  I sat (last night) and watched 3 half hour videos newly released by Market Samurai - people I do trust.
  
  Obviously they were trying to sell me something, and (maybe less) obviously I couldn't afford it.
  
  But equally obviously, to me at least, those guys know what they are talking about.
  
  Your opinion of what you read, do or see on the internet is based on trust.
  
  I trust them, but I couldn't afford their new product.
  
  I am still glad I watched their videos, and article syndication is the way forward.
  
  That means you write an article to be shared online. Now anything shared has got to duplicated, right?
  
  Getting right back to Ezine here, articles there were made to be shared, that is why you filled in the resource box.
  
  But, I myself read about people here complaining that people were just taking the articles without the resource box, and publishing without a link back.
  
  Panda tried to address this issue and ended up punishing ezine and sites like it.
  
  So now we have private (paid for services) set up doing what ezine and their ilk used to do.
  
  Many, many people want articles for their sites, can't write them themselves, but can't afford to pay for them.
  
  People like you and me can write a nice article and post it to a syndication site for those people wanting articles for free.
  
  We don't get paid for writing the article.
  
  Instead we get backlinks to our sites, because we put links in our original text and resource box.
  
  What Google is saying is that this practice is acceptable. They will not put dup content penalties on content where links back to the original author are also placed.
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  Daniel Carterposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Backlinking to the original source of the content is a lot different than duplicating the content and posting it all over the net. People here have sincerely tried to give you relevant information to help you be successful, but so far, all that I've seen is that you've made them all your adversaries and scoffed at their hard-earned, valuable knowledge and help.
  
  I sincerely wonder if blood is reaching your brain. Maybe you should lie down for a while and let all this info catch up to you.
  
  But, if I'm mistaken, then you obviously should argue with Google instead of those who are trying to help you.
  
  Good luck with all that.
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frogdroppingposted 11 years ago
Nathan you can't educate carrots.

Good luck.
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Nathan Janesposted 11 years ago
What's interesting, within the couple seconds my article was live on "Hubpages" it was share 50 times on Facebook...hhmmm your loss Hubpages...just think what a day would have brought.
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  CMHypnoposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  My your fingers work fast LOL!
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  Eric Graudinsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  2,160,000 new viewers to HubPages by my reckoning!
  That's 15,120,000 new viewers a week, or some 453,600,000 a month.
  
  Wow. what a traffic magnet. You could be single handedly responsible for rescuing hubpages.
  They'd be be crazy to let you go.
  
  I suggest that you contact Paul Edmonson, one of the owners of Hubpages, and put a profit sharing proposal to him.
  
  NOW.
  
  (Edited to correct traffic figures. 50 views in 2 seconds = 1500 per minute, 90,000 per hour)
  30 day month assumed.
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psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago
Hubpages weeps bitter tears of regret, I am sure.
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  Nathan Janesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  yeah it called no generation of money off my articles. Too bad...
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  psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Seriously dude, they have a strategy, they have rules. It's working fine for them. Stop taking it so personally.
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Uninvited Writerposted 11 years ago
Why not provide a link here so we can check out your amazing writing?
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  Nathan Janesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
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  Nathan Janesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I also create audio versions of my articles for those that are acclimated into our new culture and have a hard time reading anything longer than a paragraph.
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  Nathan Janesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  HAHA they deleted my post of where to find my existing article that they wouldn't allow on here. AH HAHAHA!
  
  Good luck being locked down here while they profit off you and keep you in confinement. HAHA I can't believe they deleted the link because someone was interested in something I wrote that wasn't allowed on here because it was previously posted somewhere else. aHH haha
  
  This site is a joke..good luck to you all! I'd say I'd see ya on the internet, but after this site fails, there will be no place to find what you wrote.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Most people here write on several sites as well as their own blogs.
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  Eric Graudinsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I agree 100% with you there.
  But not for the reasons that have been discussed in this thread.
  
  Google has no problem with duplicate content - unless it is multiple copies of the same content on the one website.
  
  As far as multiple copies of the same content showing up on different websites, google gives a higher ranking to the page that it considers to be the definitive version.
  
  Each site can make up their own rules for material that is posted.
  If people don't like it, they can remove their content.
  As I have done.
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Cagsilposted 11 years ago
I have found this entire thread a complete joke.

Is there something about DUPLICATE that YOU do not understand Nathan?

One of the main criteria search engines frown upon is duplicate content. That means, since all sites work off search engine traffic, then search engines will dictate whether or not, duplicate content is or has value.

What value duplicate content has is important to the sites overall ranking and must be taken into consideration.

HP does not want duplicate content and if YOU have simply come to HP to post articles you have elsewhere, then you will not be publishing here. Duplicate content isn't original content. Duplicate content is COPIED content from somewhere else on the Internet. Since, the copied content already exists somewhere else on the Internet, it is NOT original content.

So, do HP and Members a favor- get over yourself and move on.
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  psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  +1
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  Nathan Janesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  +2 = 3
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Nathan Janesposted 11 years ago
Sure invest everything into one site so if/when it goes under or disappears from the net you are left with a whole internet of links directing everyone to a broken link and have to rebuild your network of interests in your work.
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  Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Foolish statement.
  
  Diversity is good, but not based on duplicate content.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  As I have said before, most people write at more than one place.
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  Nathan Janesposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You can only have your article in one place. It would suck to have your source where all your work go under and all your left with is a sample of your article on other websites and no way to view the whole article because it no longer exists. Better hope this site never tanks. Otherwise all the work you put into marketing your work is lost and you have to start back at the beginning.
  
  Google the exact title of my article "Unplug the Signal: The Truth Will Not Be Televised " and you get 50,100 results.
  This will keep growing and every day more and more people find my article and share it on their sites. My articles have been read/listened/ shared by tens of thousands of people.
  Your obsession with being against sharing your articles on the web will only confine you and keep people from discovering what you have to say.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Other than Facebook, Twitter and my own blogs I don't post links to them anywhere else. And I have copies of all my articles.
  
  The TOS of this site were not written by me...
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  Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  What part do you not understand?
  
  You do not have only one place to write articles. You have only one place to write a particular article. If you want to write the same article on other sites, that is word for word, then it will be flagged as duplicate content. Otherwise, you must write a similar article, which is not considered duplicate content.
  Then it would be best that suit the articles to being similar, but NOT exactly the same.
  This statement is ridiculous and shows ignorance. If HP tanks, then it would only require members to make minor adjustments, which you apparently don't seem to grasp.
  Wrong.
  So what? Too many factors and other variables are to be taken into account when punching any title into a search engine.
  Nice assumption. You sound so full of yourself, it's not even funny, yet is actually quite funny in one aspect.
  Cool. Then you don't need to be here?
  Wrong. But, I don't expect you to understand.
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  Eric Graudinsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  And what adjustments would these be Cagsil?
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  Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Eric,
  
  You already know, because you've already made them.
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  Eric Graudinsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hardly minor - as you also know :-)
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  Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  
  In some cases, yes it was hardly minor. In some others, it was only minor, simply because of that person's ability.
  
  Since, not everyone is equal in knowledge, some will consider their adjustments minor and some will consider it major. I guess it is based on their point of view.
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  IzzyMposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe I am mistaken, but Nathan you are giving me the distinct impression that all you want is your writing out there. Maybe you want to clean up the world (here's a brush, give it back when you are finished).
  
  The whole dup content, fresh content, new content debate is of interest to marketers, not philosophers.
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MelissaBarrettposted 11 years ago
Oh good, another person I won't have to flag for duplicate content. Thanks bunches... Ta Ta!
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IzzyMposted 11 years ago
But Hubpages TOS does NOT allow duplicate content, even if you wrote it and include backlinks.

I think that is the right road for Hubpages, because too many people were simply stealing content and passing it off as their own.

I also note that several sites have Hubpages listed online as a syndicate content site, which it clearly isn't.
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