Why do I feel like I am being ripped off?

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   jaredbangerterposted 12 years ago

   I was barely getting 80 views a day and making 24 cents per night.  Now that I published my two new tutorials on how to make certain mods for Skyrim, I am getting around 230 views a day and for the last 4 days with 230 views on average per day I have made... 20 to 23 cents per night!?!?!
   
   My views nearly tripled and my pay has seen no raise???  Why do I feel like Hubpages is pocketing more than the agreed upon 60/40 split?

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      catalystsnstarsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Are you sure you're getting on average 230 views per day? The reason why I ask is because of your accolades. According to it, your hubs have been read over a 1000 times and you joined seven months ago. Maybe you could go to each hub (tedious) and look at the stats then add up the views to verify how much attention your articles are actually getting? If my calculations are correct, even at barely 80 views a day, per hub, since you joined you should have over 10,000 views, which should change your accolade.
      
      I may be wrong, but check that out. Also in your "my account", click the earnings option. From there it'll show you how the CPM (cost per mile). Thats how much you make per 1000 impressions or page views. 
      
      Hopefully that helps. If not, read some of the Hubpage success stories, that also has the stats for each Succesful Hubber listed, maybe that'll put things into better perspective for you.

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         jaredbangerterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         All I know is that under 'page views' under 'my account' it says '225' at the moment from 1 day and normally for the last 3 months, that's said around 80.

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            Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Check your hub stats to see where your traffic is coming from. Hubber traffic does not earn money, unless something has changed. 
            
            
                                    SSSSSS

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   Website Examinerposted 12 years ago

   I don't know you well enough to tell you why you feel that way. What affiliate programs are you enrolled in, currently?

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      jaredbangerterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Good one.  Google Adsense (hasn't gone up a penny...), Amazon.com and the normal hub pages program.

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         Website Examinerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks. If you participate in the HubPages program, then there is less space available on your hubs for Adsense ads, so that may mean little revenue from that source. HubPages' program pays per 1,000 impressions, AdSense primarily for clicks. So many Hubbers have reported dramatic falls in their AdSense after switching on the HubPages ad program.
         
         As you may know, revenue isn't shared. You get 60% of the page impressions, and 100% of the revenue from those impressions.

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            Website Examinerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            The OP never responded to this.

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   relacheposted 12 years ago

   230 views per day across all your Hubs is rather low traffic numbers, and your earnings are average given your traffic volume.
   
   You need a LOT more eyeballs if you are going to get a low-paying topic (lots of competition) like gaming to become truly profitable.

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   sofsposted 12 years ago

   I agree with Relache, Hp cannot rip you off,you really need to look at the way you do keyword searches and how you optimize your hubs for search engines.. With 78 hubs if you are only getting that many views you really should think about tweaking and editing your hubs. The time you spend on that may be well worth it. Hope that helps.

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   Dame Scribeposted 12 years ago

   Games has a lot of competition as mentioned I would suggest taking a look at 'who' or 'type' of audience you're writing for. Who can or will benefit with your article? just some thoughts

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   jaredbangerterposted 12 years ago

   I only wrote 2 of the 78 hubs about gaming.  The rest are about politics, money and fitness (I'm a certified personal trainer.)  I used Google Adwords to choose all of my topics and titles and I have continuously been using the Title Tuner.  I don't know what I could be doing wrong here.

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   Dame Scribeposted 12 years ago

   The joys of writing is always a learning experience don't fret too much. Just stop and review, evaluate where your traffic is coming from, rethink where the 'right' traffic may be found and then promote and attract, in that area something I should be doing more of myself

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   Kangaroo_Jaseposted 12 years ago

   The problem you will find is that every man and his dog will be writing about Skyrim. Especially if you are writing about character creation, walk throughs, tips, hints, tweaks, hacks or suggestions.
   
   This kind of focused subject is already covered and written about by 100's if not 1,000's of people across the internet already.
   
   That is what your two current articles are competing against.

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      jaredbangerterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The thing is I am writing about something that no one else knows how to do.  In fact, I am the one who discovered and taught myself the technique in the 2 part article.  It's on how to make spells that let you shape shift into monsters.
      
      In fact, I get about 99 views a day from the first part of the article and 50 or so from the second.  My next most-viewed article is 'Strategies to Implement Population Control' which gets 5 views a day. 
      
      So it seems my most lucrative articles are Skyrim Modding tutorials.  I write about tons of hot topics too like politics and fitness - like I said I am a certified personal trainer - and they don't get even close to the amount of views that my Skyrim mod tutorials do.  Even though I used adwords to choose the titles.

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   IzzyMposted 12 years ago

   The OP's original question wasn't why his views were low, as some people seem to have assumed, or even the ad split between HP and Adsense, he wanted to know why his views had shot up, and his earnings hadn't.
   
   This is a good question and has been discussed before without resolve.
   
   The HP ads CPM always seems very high when you have few views. I can attest to this having started a few new subdomains.
   
   As your views rise, the CPM drops like a stone.
   
   You should still be better off with the higher views, but not proportionately.
   
   80 views might be 24 cents, but 230 won't be 3 times higher. It should be more though, not less. Hopefully that situation has righted itself by now.

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      relacheposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Simply... Dilution.
      
      He's getting more traffic from a high-eyeball, low-click source.  Gamers want info, not ad clicks.

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         IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         That makes sense, but when he is running impression based ads, he should still see a rise in earnings corresponding with views, unless his CPM has gone through the floor.

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            jaredbangerterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Exactly.  You'd think I'd see at least a nickel a day's difference with the percent increase in traffic, considering they are paid per impressions.

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    GA Andersonposted 12 years ago

    I think IzzyM has it right - HP Ad revenue is impression based, not click based - so it should not matter what kind of traffic he's getting, or the topic. A view is a view is a view.
    
    I too have seen frequent discussions about cpm dropping drastically as views/impressions increased. Maybe I just missed the rational explanation.
    
    If there was one????
    
    GA

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       jaredbangerterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Yup.  Exactly.  I am still waiting for a rational explanation for this.

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          Website Examinerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          You can contact HubPages directly about your concerns: team@hubpages.com - Include a link to this discussion.

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