Ice Caps Melting 5x faster than in the 90's- Global Warming Evidence

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   tammybarnetteposted 12 years ago

   WASHINGTON — The melting of polar ice caps raised sea levels by nearly half an inch (11 millimeters) over the last two decades, scientists said Thursday, calling it the most definitive measure yet of the impact of climate change
   
   http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar … 0048b7.4c1
   
   
   Can we now admit Global Warming is real?

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   IzzyMposted 12 years ago

   No.
   
   I have huge arguments with my scientist father about this all the time.
   
   It is less than 1 million years since the last Ice Age.
   
   Global warming and freezing is a normal cycle.
   
   Whatever is happening now, will not hurt us, or our children, or our children's children.
   
   Planet Earth has gone through this cycle time after time, long before man invented the refrigerator.
   
   If you really want to see what is happening, study sunspot activity.

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      Sally's Troveposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Climatic changes are cyclical, without doubt, but man's population growth and attending stresses on the planet are not. They are unique in the history of the Earth. While lemmings may jump off cliffs to control their population explosions (a myth, by the way), man is doing nothing to check his growth. He's the cancer that feeds off the planet and will eventually kill it. We're in deep doo-doo.

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         IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Why can I not accept that argument?
         
         Is it because the BBC showed a special program about the melting of the icecaps, but failed to mention it was summer, and that the icebergs normally melt during that period?
         
         Is it because we've had unnatural amounts of rain? It doesn't seem to me to be any wetter than I remember as a child, but more homes are being flooded.
         
         Is that because there is more rain, or is it because there are less flood plains, where rain water used to run to?
         
         There has been a marked increase in sunspot/solar flare activity.
         
         Nothing we on Planet Earth did could account for that.

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            tammybarnetteposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I watched this report tonight on my local news channel and then looked up the article to provide proof for the readers...Did you read the article? This has been a 20 yr study, on the news channel a man has been filming in real time for five years and is releasing a documentary(I can not remember the name, sorry) but it showed a piece and it is truly astounding. The sea level rising seems minut, and yes it may be hundreds of years and then again with Sandy's and such maybe not...The news showed what impact would be on our costal states where I believe they said 50% of the population lives, the biggest and richest cities by the way...
            
            Because so many people, like you I suppose, choose not to believe, nothing is being done! Why should a Sandy destroy our coast in this day and age? Why have we not built protections? Believe this, just because you believe it isn't true, will not make it go away

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            Sally's Troveposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            For as long as we choose to wear rose-colored glasses, we'll fail to take responsibility for the mess we've made.

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               IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Still won't go for it..
               
               Not for so long as I know that that the Press is controlled, people are controlled, and what you want to believe is heavily influenced by what you see on TV.
               
               Someone, somewhere, is making millions out of all this crap.
               
               The world has existed for millennia, right?
               
               Suddenly, someone invents a fridge! Oh woe is me! Or uses natural carbon fuels. Or do what they did.
               
               Luckily for those who want to sell us the new carbon dated fridges, there is a global wobble.
               
               Pay absolutely no attention,
               
               When the time of this planet is up, it is up, but right at this moment in time, it is nowhere near it.

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                  Sally's Troveposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  It is right and good to be skeptical. But be skeptical about everything, including your own preconceptions.

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                  tammybarnetteposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I am confused? I do understand media consolidation, propaganda, I notice as well, but how do you presume they can "make up" such evidence? Do you believe "all of these, or all in general" scientist are fibbing? I have noticed much hotter summers in the past 2 yrs, then an earlier fall and winter as well...I have no idea if this even means anything scientific, but just sharing this is something I have noticed and haven't been told about by the media, etc.

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                     SimeyCposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     There was a huge scandal in the UK a few years ago where it was proved that data had been manipulated by UK scientists. It is an isolated incident, but it makes you think about how many other isolated incidents are there.
                     
                     http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8394483.stm
                     
                     As someone who lives in New Jersey I've been bombarded by the press and top politicians saying that Sandy was caused by Global Warming - and yet the INTERGOVERNMENTAL PANEL ON CLIMATE CHANGE state "It is likely that the global frequency of tropical cyclones will either decrease or remain essentially unchanged" casting doubt on whether Sandy was in fact caused by man.
                     
                     See page 11: http://ipcc-wg2.gov/SREX/images/uploads … _FINAL.pdf
                     
                     Quite a few climatoligists are saying the same:
                     http://www.wsfa.com/story/19980293/glob … st-says-no
                     http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion … 6508663087
                     
                     Martin Hoerling, a meteorologist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), said Sandy wasn’t boosted by global warming -- the storm merely revealed natural forces at work.
                     
                     http://www.foxnews.com/science/2012/10/ … rew-sandy/
                     
                     So who do we believe - the Politicians make bold claims - many scientists say the same - and I'm sure there are just as many articles stating Sandy was caused by Global Warming as I found stating the opposite.
                     
                     See:
                     
                     http://www.foxnews.com/science/2012/10/ … rew-sandy/
                     http://phys.org/news/2012-11-superstorm … ience.html
                     http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2 … opStories+(News+-+World+-+Top+Stories)
                     
                     I am a fairly educated man - but there is so much nonsense written on the web from both sides that the true scientific arguments have been lost to be replaced by garbage.
                     
                     All the reports I have read, and I've read hundreds say 'probaly' 'most likely' - there is not difinitive research paper proving that man made Global Warming exists (or doesn't exist).
                     
                     Again - it is obvious the climate is changing, it does that all the time, I just do not know and do not have the expertise to sift through all the reports and be satisfied with any of the 'facts'...

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                        Will Apseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        It wasn't proven that scientists had manipulated data. What it really boiled down to was that a couple of scientists were making fun of lay people over the issue of scales on graphs. If you haven't the sense to look at the numbers on the 2 axes of a graph you deserve to be made fun of.

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      Will Apseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The last ice age ended about 10.000 years ago. Millions don't come into it.  You should listen to your father more. Climate change can be very rapid.

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   Uninvited Writerposted 12 years ago

   Yup, 90 % of all scientists are wrong...

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      SimeyCposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      90% of scientists get paid to produce reports on Global Warming - if they say it doesn't exist, their research goes away.
      
      10% of scientists who say Global Warming doesn't exist get paid by the oil companies to do the research..
      
      Any science that is done with a research grant that may go away can be skewed....
      
      The truth is that no one really knows - the climate is very very complex. If you've noticed, they no longer call it Global Warming - because the warming that was predicted 20 years ago never happened - it's now called climate change.
      
      Obviously something is happening - but not one scientist can claim to understand it all - I can't remember the scientist - but on a bbc.co.uk article, this pro-climate change scientist confessed that he could not guarantee that Sandy occurred because of climate change-  he said it could simply have been bad luck...
      
      ....the problem for me is that money runs everything...we are told we should go green to save the environment...but some interesting facts...
      
      -In the US the electric that is generated for electric cars is generated in coal burning power stations that pump tons of waste into the environment....
      -The fluorescent light bulbs that we all used MUST be recycled - if you and everyone else simply puts them in the trash then the mercury from millions of light bulbs will do more damage than they are saving....
      
      The point I am trying to make is that it isn't a simple as saying one side is right or wrong - there are so many unknown factors, and so little data that we cannot give a decisive answer. 150 years of data is not enough.
      
      Having said that, I do not discount what 90% of scientists say, and see no harm in trying to reduce emissions etc. but it has to be done properly.
      
      What should be done is that researchers should get 'blind' money - that way they do not have to worry if their results will lose them funding...

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      blue dogposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      ah, uw, it's still the same old song here.  science.  what science?  just a lot of hot air adding to the impending disaster.
      
      (hope you're doing well up there)

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         rebekahELLEposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Hey, blue dog, nice to see you pop into the forums!
         
         I think it's quite interesting how and why people believe what they believe in regard to climate change.
         I know there are many who believe it's nothing but a liberal media hoax... which boggles the mind.

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   LeanManposted 12 years ago

   Sorry,
   
   With Izzy on this, there are plenty of periods in the past where temperature has risen or fallen well before we came on the scene. Excess carbon dioxide is quickly mopped up by microorganisms and plankton in the sea so this is really unlikely to cause us big problems.
   It is very much propaganda being used to control international trade etc..
   
   
   
   That being said I still don't agree with tearing down every tree on the planet and filling our atmosphere with every chemical we can find. We can still do a lot better with looking after our home.

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      Sally's Troveposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, indeedy, there have been plenty of periods in the past where temperature has risen or fallen; however, the huge factor that wasn't there then is here now...the human population explosion.

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   SimeyCposted 12 years ago

   The other point I should make is that we are not destroying the world - we are destroying OUR environment - if man destroys itself, the Earth will recover over time.... Perhaps the dinosaurs made the same mistakes we did!

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      tammybarnetteposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      

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   ocbillposted 12 years ago

   So, Izzy, then if it is a cycle, it is global warming in truth but not as the media portrays it.
   
   1. ) How long is this warming cycle normally?
   
   2.) So, it will freeze again and warm off enough thereby replenishing the planet for another civilization as most of us die off from the temps.
   
   3.) I wonder what the continents will appear like when the freeze is melted off after that cycle. I hope to be reincarnated and have a deja vu

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