Do you think freedom is about having the freedom to make mistakes?

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   threekeysposted 7 years ago

   Do you think freedom is about having the freedom to make mistakes?

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   The0NatureBoyposted 7 years ago

   From my perspective of visualizing things from its 360 degrees of existence rather than the 180 or less "human" usually visualize most things, I say "there are no mistakes, there are only learning experiences". 
   
   Take definition of "educate" - "to bring forth from within via objective observing, participating to see different results, reasoning with the differences and learning to communicate one's findings" - suggesting there are no mistakes and makes "freedom" the prerequisite for educating one's self.

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      threekeysposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      We need to make mistakes to learn how to do better and to become better.
      And, if you take the reincarnational idea, there are no mistakes Mistakes are our life's map to our inherited existsnce this time round.

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      The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, mistakes are our teacher.
      
      Yes, via reincarnation we comprehend our every attribute because of living them each independent of the others and in all of the variances of them, thus, no mistakes but a map of various incarnations.

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      Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I always find this notion interesting Elijah. When  were we created if we are re-incarnations after re-incarnations?

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      The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Eric, there's no creation nor beginning [my hub The Bible's Message]. Ecc. 1:9 suggest everything has always been repeating themselves without a beginning, only a place to began the Bible's narrative that returns to its beginning when understood.

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      Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Elijah I am old school. There is only one alpha and omega. We were created by that God.

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      The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Rev. 1:1 says nothing in the book had happened before John's receiving it and it is the only place Alpha and Omega is located so is yet to appear as "the second coming of Christ'.

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   Ericdierkerposted 7 years ago

   This is such a refreshing field of human inquiry. Did you know that most wild "cats", tigers, cheetahs and pumas and the like only catch their pray about 20% of the time. Oh and we can say much the same of our wonderful Owl, Falcon and Eagle birds of prey. Which of them in the natural is not free?
   I teach and I mean I really mean I have taught "The Right To Fail". It was a lecture series in Vietnam during their coming out into a more democratic and free enterprise society. Wow they have done wonders in just a few decades.
   There was not a single marketing firm at the time in all of Vietnam. They were so afraid of failing. My wife from there attributes it to nothing. She is very afraid of failing and by golly she does not. (although only through her fortitude do we not have a failed decade and a half marriage ;-)
   Now I used to do some very high speed downhill speed racing and some 60 ft plus cliff diving.And I dabbled in running the biggest navigable river rapids in the world. You generally do not fail at such and live.
   But two of the best examples of our praise of trying and maybe failing include Shakespeare's notion of if it is better to give thy heart in love and fail or to never have given it. And that pesky Edison who claims to have found 2,000 ways not to build a light bulb.
   Our core in my Christian belief is that we fail. If you ask a congregation who had had doubts and who has sinned you look for the idiot who does not raise her hand.
   We are blessed with the inalienable right to fail. And it is glorious above all other gifts we are blessed with.
   (please be cognizant that I avoided existentialism and quantum notions of continuums for that gets really heavy with fatalism and predestined fate)

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      threekeysposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I hear you, eric.

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      Venkatachari Mposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      But, Eric, your answer does not solve the main purpose of the question raised by @ThreeKeys.

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      Ericdierkerposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Venkatachari always good to see you around. Freedom is the right to make mistakes. As in free to pursue. I hope that my use of the word fail instead of mistake is not confusing.

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   Venkatachari Mposted 7 years ago

   I assume most people think like that only. Freedom for them means only to do whatever "they like to do" or "they want to do". Nobody thinks or tries to be aware of the fact that every other person also has the same right to freedom and that each one's freedom is a restriction or tends to be a hindrance to the other person's freedom. Ultimately it becomes a chaos.

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      The0NatureBoyposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Not only a hinderance to other people but other lives, VM. That's the order of existence, one life-type comes others with reincarnation as the means to pay off the karma. My vision says predestination is existence's order which gives it purpose.

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