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   soldout1posted 13 years ago

   Living an abstract life is sought of like living out of the  an elluded reality. Let me explain. Living out of an abstract state is being drawn out of the first person so to speak, into a knowledge base system through the sensory. Therefore based on this abstracted information brought about by a knowledge base system, many have become what they know. Life is then lived in this domain. And can only be identified by external means. Those that are drawn out. Have left their own personal existence to exist within the knowledge of another or rather a knowledge base system.
   
   Here is a character name Sally, who needed to obtain the knowledge of being a Nurse. She could not find this knowledge within the boundaries of her own sphere of existence. So she sought to gain what she needed  from her Academic Sytem in order to accomplish her goal outside of herself.  Education is good, but again you should never become what you know. Sally has now begun her journey in what she feels is her life purpose. Which is to become a nurse. Sally does not realize that the knowledge that is gained outside of herself will never defined her. So as she began to journey outside of her own being she's now begun her search for destiny.
   
   Not realizing that she is being drawn out of her own existence to seek anothers knowledge in which she may be defined, causing a great void. Sally didn't realize that she needed to identify with the first person which would be her,before she sought the companionship of knowledge. We are not what we know. This is the condition of the emptiness so many in the world seek to fulfill today. Not realizing that all they have to do is be reunited to themselves. Suddenly understanding that nothing or no one outside of their own existence can ever fulfill them nor define them.
   
   Abstract living has caused such a tremendous lack of consciousness in our world today. It's scary indeed. This enhances beastly behavior that is driven by the lust of an absolute physical sensory existence, were real danger lie in wait. An unconscious man can never be conscious of the pain he causes someone else. Think About It.

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      Hauntyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I completely agree. But you know, I just don't seem to find the means to return to who I am.

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         soldout1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Its Hard.Its depending on how many attachments you have. To become a solid person is found in solitude,  but not for a duration. We have so much of the world pulling on us from the outside, its hard to move inward. It could also be scary, based on your intanglements and commitments. I say  ask yourself what will it take?

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   Mikel G Robertsposted 13 years ago

   HUH?

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      EmpressFelicityposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I think what the OP is saying in a nutshell is "don't define yourself solely by your job title or other "externals" like money or other people's opinion of you".  But I had to read her post a few times before I could get the gist.

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         soldout1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         But you got it . Does this post need to be made clearer for others to understand?   Your insight will help me to improve my postings.Thanks

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            EmpressFelicityposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Yes.  Sorry, but it's very hard to read and comes across as though you're struggling a bit with the English language (i.e. it reads like you're not a native speaker).
            
            I personally am a big fan of the KISS principle when it comes to explaining stuff.  (It's a well-known acronym but in case you've never come across it, it means Keep It Simple, Stupid [nothing personal LOL]).

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               soldout1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Actually when you begin to read the first sentence(the) does not belong. But I am unable to change this typo. But the rest of the post was on purpose. So what could I have done to explain this post better,other then corrrecting my grammatical err?

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            mega1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            No, this post is clear - just that if you had posted only "You are not what you know" as the premise for a discussion you would have had instant results!  Some people who don't understand this kind of thinking would have started to argue, and then others would explain.  It is probably always better to start with a short statement or question in these forums and go from there.  I agree with you and think it is a very insightful teaching.  As Hokey quoted Buddhist teachings - saying the same thing. 
            
            I like to think of it as always keeping the child I was inside of me because before I had knowledge I was very knowledgeable and I sometimes need to go back to that and keep myself whole this way.  We get pulled apart by all the information coming into us sometimes.

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               Hokeyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               The only thing I know is what I don't know.
               
               The way to possession is by dispossesion.
               
               The only place I am is where I am not.
               
               To know who I am is to know what I am not.
               
                  

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                  soldout1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  This is good. What do mean, so we all can enjoy this holistic thought.

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               soldout1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               God this is so true . Abstact knowledge causes chaos.

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         Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         yeah, thats what I got too
         
         I dont udnerstand, is it condoning or condemning or merely explaining abstract livgin?
         
         If we never look outisde oursleves for information...well...we will be pretty uninformed.

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            soldout1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            This is not saying, do not look outside. What I am stating is that the outside should never determine who you are on the inside. Knowledge is but a guide to help us function within the coordinates of a system. You Know what I mean?

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               Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               got it. I agree.

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   Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

   Is this all about the side effect of Bad Medication?
   
   Or
   
   Does the answer to this illustration of a need for medication lie in the immortal words of Mork... "Na Nuu... Na Nuu"
   
   Or
   
   Those of Captain Kirk.... "Beam Me Up Scotty!"
   
   
   
   @ Mikel G Roberts........ Exactly!

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      soldout1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Actually astract living deals with mans absence from his own personal existance.  This topic is meant to identify those that have travel to far  away from the core of their being, living completely in an unconscious state. The sensory becoming their personal  guide coupled with knowledge.

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   rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago

   I've never heard the term abstract living, but I understand what you're saying. many people live this way because it's programmed from early childhood that life is to grow up and have a career. life is all about the career, what are we going to be when we grow up. yes, people can and do miss a lot living this way.
   
   but in essence, isn't it what life is about? the journey and discovering who we are? people learn more about themselves in all the different ways we live our life. sally the nurse could find out some important part of herself by being a nurse, then maybe she will go on to something else realizing the job doesn't define who she is, but helps her find out she's really caring and loves to help others.

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      soldout1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      You are dead on it rebekahELLE. What people really miss out on is themselves. Think about it, the moment people begin to be challenged in what they know (knowledge), they become intimidated. Simply because they still do not know who they are. We must know who we are. We are the very essence of life. I totally beleive Sally found out alot about herself being a nurse. But who is sally apart from the nurse?

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         Hauntyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Did she not become a nurse, because she wanted to become one?

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            soldout1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            In the beginning she wanted to become one. But as she begin to unfold from the inside her search begin to change. She found that she was becoming something opposite of what she had chosen to be, now what. This is common.

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               Hauntyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I'm just asking, because what if someone finds herself in the knowledge she acquires. She learns about something and then she says, 'Yes. That's totally I. That's what I want to do with my life.' Say, it's being a nurse. But then it totally consumes her. Her work becomes her life and all she can talk about is her work. All this, because she found herself in this very thing.
               Would you say she has been drawn out of the first person?

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                  Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Im hubpages!

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                     Hauntyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     lol You are hubpages?

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                        Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        
                        it is me, I am it
                        I have found myslef in the knowledge Ive aquired here...

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                           Hauntyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           I'm happy you've found a place where you can enjoy yourself.

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                              Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              I was only kidding, I do have a sense of myslef outside of hubpages, but I do like it here.
                              
                              you never mailed me back....

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                                 Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 Ive got something to forward to you, but it may be irrelvant.

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                                    Hauntyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    You can forward anything. I'm always interested.

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                                 Hauntyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 I thought you said you got my letter and you would respond in a second mail.
                                 
                                 What would it explain if I were pisces?

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                                    Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    well, if you were, you would like the thing I have to send you. If not, its pointless.  and I am going to write more.

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                                       Hauntyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                       Please send. I'm almost pisces!

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                                          Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                          ok. I thought so. I am a pisces.

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                                             Hauntyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                             I know you are, because I know when you were born and my mother was born 3 days earlier (of course not in the same year). And she is a pisces.

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                           soldout1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           All of my Hubpages are the same as my topics. All jokes aside, without the title of a job or personal information in which you can be identified by and apart from family ties. Who are you?

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                              Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              All jokes aside, I dont have a job. And I know no one outside my family. Untill I joined hubpages, I spoke to no one other than my 3 children, and occasionaly my inlaws and a few old time freinds when they very rarely needed help.  And so this is actually something Ive been struggling with this past year. I was kidding about the hubpages being me thing. But it has actually helped a great deal in my search for me.

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                                 Hokeyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 I like you.

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                                    Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    thanks

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                                       Hokeyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                       Namaste

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                  soldout1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Who would be the first person to you. Abiding in the knowledge you have aquired. Okay, what someone  like the board of nursing take this away, then what. Are you going to move on to become something else. Who Are  you apart from your job title?

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   Justine76posted 13 years ago

   "Living an abstract life is sought of (did you mean 'sort of?') like living out of  an elluded reality."
   
   what is an elluded reality?
   
   "Living out of an abstract state is being drawn out of the first person so to speak, into a knowledge base system through the sensory."
   
   what is a knowledge base system, and how does the sensory get us there?
   
   "Therefore based on this abstracted information brought about by a knowledge base system, many have become what they know. Life is then lived in this domain. And can only be identified by external means. Those that are drawn out. Have left their own personal existence to exist within the knowledge of another or rather a knowledge base system."
   
   again what do you mean by abstracted information? I agree, a person is not what they know, but a person must learn things.
   
   "Here is a character name Sally, who needed to obtain the knowledge of being a Nurse. She could not find this knowledge within the boundaries of her own sphere of existence. So she sought to gain what she needed  from her Academic Sytem in order to accomplish her goal outside of herself.  Education is good, but again you should never become what you know. Sally has now begun her journey in what she feels is her life purpose. Which is to become a nurse."
   
   
   Ok, this makes sense. All you really needed to say is, "Sally wants to be a nurse, so she goes to school. School is a good thing, but you should never become what you know."
   
   "Sally does not realize that the knowledge that is gained outside of herself will never defined (do you mean 'define'?) her. So as she began to journey outside of her own being she's now begun her search for destiny."
   
   again, confusing. Isn't most knowledge gained outside yourself? Nobody is born kowning how to be a nurse.
   
   
   "Not realizing that she is being drawn out of her own existence to seek anothers knowledge in which she may be defined, causing a great void. Sally didn't realize that she needed to identify with the first person which would be her,before she sought the companionship of knowledge."
   
   I have no idea what this bit means.
   
   " We are not what we know."
   pretty much all you needed to say.
   
   This is the (cause of the)condition of the emptiness so many in the world seek to fulfill (fulfill doesnt quite make sense) today. Not realizing that all they have to do is be reunited to themselves.
   
   "Suddenly understanding that nothing or no one outside of their own existence can ever fulfill them nor define them."
   
   see..that right there is the best part. good.
   
   "Abstract living has caused such a tremendous lack of consciousness in our world today. It's scary indeed. This enhances beastly behavior that is driven by the lust of an absolute physical sensory existence, were real danger lie in wait. An unconscious man can never be conscious of the pain he causes someone else. Think About It."
   
   
   what do you mean by conscious..I think I know, but not sure.
   Im just pointing out the parts that confused me. Not saying you did anythign wrong, but you asked, wich parts need to be explained.

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      soldout1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I like you Justine76.lol   Conscious simply means to be awake or aware. The physical us lives completely out of the sensory, which is expressed through our feelings. This place of living is out of the Brain, the Nerve Center. Most are conscious in this place. Everything we are born to be is all ready inside. Most women by nature are nurturer's even as we care for our families and other relationships as well, we always seek to make things better. Its in us already.
      Eluded, meaning that so many has chosen a reality that they may escape into to avoid their current one. A knowledge base system was put in place for our Academic learning. It was implemented through the sensory the moment you became a (PUPIL). All information is abracted from someone else. You also must abide in someone elses thought pattern to comprehend what they are saying. Once we have left our own self conscious, if we were ever conscious. The lack of self creates a void, an emptyness  to be fulfill, no matter how much knowledge you've gain on the outside, it can not fulfill you. Thank You so much.

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   rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago

   hopefully sally will find out. very true what you say about knowledge, people defend their beliefs sometimes only because it is what they know, it may or may not be true, and sometimes is not even important to them, only their ego is affected.
   
   but life is perception, we look at life through our own lens, from our own experiences and knowledge. I think the more someone knows and begins to understand who they are, there is much more tolerance of others.  we see that although very different in opinions, like and dislikes, we're all pretty much the same. we desire the basic elements of life as stated in maslow's hierarcy of needs. some never get past the bottom two levels.

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      soldout1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I soldly agree. I also believe that life sould be somewhat accurate . Having the right anwser should be more important then being right. Right? The ego is so superficial and unqualified to make proper judgement because of its desire to rule. Perception is the tool to our sensory and one of the parents of our ego. Your responses are so indepth. Thats awesome.

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   Justine76posted 13 years ago

   "The lack of self creates a void, an emptyness  to be fulfill, no matter how much knowledge you've gain on the outside, it can not fulfill you."
   
   
   I agree completly with this. 

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   Hokeyposted 13 years ago

   First, rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words;
   Second, rely on the teachings, not on the personality of the teacher;
   Third, rely on real wisdom, not superficial interpretation;
   And fourth, rely on the essence of your pure Wisdom Mind, not on judgmental perceptions.
   We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make our world.
   To be idle is a short road to death and to be diligent is a way of life; foolish people are idle, wise people are diligent.
   Let us rise up and be thankful, for if we didn't learn a lot today, at least we learned a little, and if we didn't learn a little, at least we didn't get sick, and if we got sick, at least we didn't die; so, let us all be thankful.

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      soldout1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      The meaning of all things are brought about through the reality of your own existence.. There is no life without the substance of being. We that are conscious give a conscious meaning to everything else. You are right, we mustn't make an idol out of the people places or things that are give to us as training tools. Thought on the other hand do not exist in the silence of my true being. You sound a little bit like Socrates. Take Care.

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         Hokeyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         In what is seen, there should be just the seen;
         In what is heard, there should be just the heard;
         In what is sensed, there should be just the sensed;
         In what is thought, there should be just the thought

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   Hauntyposted 13 years ago

   I think it's a most frustrating question. People who ask questions like this usually speak in the negative. It's easy to say you shouldn't be this or that or that you shouldn't do this or that, but it's never said what we should be or do instead. Ask myself? Well, of course I can ask myself and come up with several clichéd answers we are probably all very familiar with. What I'm yet to hear is an example of how someone who has already found out who they really are would define themselves.

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      rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      not sure we need to define ourselves haunty, we just need to be who we are. I've been a teacher in the classroom for the last 14 years, so people may call me a teacher, but when I am no longer in the classroom, am I no longer a teacher?  no, of course not. that is part of who I am, I will always teach, but it's not what I am. I am a person, I am me.  I do a lot of things, but I'm not my job title.

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      soldout1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Negativity is my opposite, so where are you standing right now?People are not saying ask your self , but to seek yourself. This is accomplished in a place of solitude. Just you in a very quite place. Have you tried this?

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         Hauntyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I don't have much to add, but since you've asked a question, I can say this: I know you are right, because I have.

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    Hokeyposted 13 years ago

    "I am awake"

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       Hauntyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       You sound awake. I like to think I am awake too.

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          Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          something wierd happend, check your mail?

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             Hauntyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             checked. I have no new mail.

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                Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                grrrr......I thought so.....    Ive got to go cook, Ill try again as soon as I can. Its hard getting used to a new computer!!
                
                have a good night all! Be your wonderful selves!! 

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                   Hokeyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   Bye Bye

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                   Hauntyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   Never mind.
                   Have a beautiful day!

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                   soldout1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   You to.Smile

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       soldout1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I really hope you are, and hopeful not just through the sensory.

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    Hokeyposted 13 years ago

    The greatest achievement is selflessness.
    The greatest worth is self-mastery.
    The greatest quality is seeking to serve others.
    The greatest precept is continual awareness.
    The greatest medicine is the emptiness of everything.
    The greatest action is not conforming with the worlds ways.
    The greatest magic is transmuting the passions.
    The greatest generosity is non-attachment.
    The greatest goodness is a peaceful mind.
    The greatest patience is humility.
    The greatest effort is not concerned with results.
    The greatest meditation is a mind that lets go.
    The greatest wisdom is seeing through appearances.

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