Illegal? Need a Cheap College Tuition? Come to Arkansas

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   Michael Willisposted 14 years ago

   Arkansas House Education Committee had before them today House Bill 1008. In a 6 for and 9 against, Arkansas House Committee members voted against considering the bill that would require students to have U.S. citizenship or lawful presence in the country in order to qualify for in-state tuition.
   
   
   
   My number 1 question first is: Why are they not Deported if they are here illegally to begin with? That is the law.
   
   Second question is: Why would an Illegal not pay "out-of state tuition fees" anyways if they did attend a University or public college?
   
   Thirdly: Why are our Arkansas Legislators so #^!&#%@!
   
   Link: Ark. House Panel Refuses to take up Illegal Immigration Bill

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      Michael Willisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Arkansas Legislators could put a stop to this, but refuse to. Guess they forgot how many were voted out the past election for not listening to the people of this State.

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   immolatedposted 14 years ago

   Wow,this certainly has several facets to it. I can relate to Mr.Willis' feelings and I certainly agree they are valid. There are laws in place and should not be negotiable or gray areas. That being said, I personaly feel that an education is a huge blessing and very hard work. The idea that these "illegals" want to work hard, get an education, and tear down the sterotype, is encouraging. How else will they ever be able to ascend repression? Granted-is Arkansas the place to do it? Only God can decide. The men are too concerned with money and politics. I say go for it! I thought we put away the good ole' boy ways of keeping the underprivilaged ignorant in fear the tables be turned. Laws are laws, yes. But predjudice is the real issue here, not law.

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      Michael Willisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Prejudice is Not the issue here. I do not care about the race of the person. Illegal is illegal period! Paying taxes is the law. Race is used way too much to cover up the real problems.
      I applaud anyone seeking to better themselves. I do not need to be the one paying for others who will not do it themselves.
      
      And since God is brought up...the Bible teaches to  follow the laws of the land...pay unto Ceasar that that which is Ceasar's.  
      
      The politics are for cheaper labor rather than paying Legal hard working citizens.

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         wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         No - it is not about race, is it?  As you say, it's about illegal aliens that ignore the laws of America and yet depend on Americans to support (and now educate) them. 
         
         I'm with you, Michael - if they apply for in state tuition arrest them as illegal aliens (or undocumented workers or immigrants or whatever the current PC term is) and get them out of the country. 
         
         I'm tired of paying for them while they take jobs from Americans and return nothing to anyone but their "employer".

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            Michael Willisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            If someone from another country wants to attend a college here in Arkansas...then do the paperwork through the Legal channels!!! They should have to pay the out-of-state tuition just like those from the other 49 States would here in Arkansas.
            
            The Good-ole-Boy system is helping the illegals, not being prejudice, unless one could say they are prejudice against Legal Americans!
            
            It is just mind blowing how Arkansas Legislators will make Bills like these to protects rights of Illegals!!! Why not adhere to the Law about illegals instead?

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               wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Easy, Michael, easy!  Kicking out illegals will not buy politicians any votes.  Keeping them here gets votes from those that use them, those that are related to them, and those unfortunate liberals that think Americans must take care of and support the world.  And truth be known it probably gets votes from the illegals themselves.
               
               It will take a massive uprising of those of us that don't want more dependents to support to stop the madness.

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                  Michael Willisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  So true! There was one politician who was for the Bill to prevent money for illegals who it turned out had illegals on his staff at a daycare. He was turned in by a Democrat that was against the bill and called a hypocrite. lol
                  
                  It is not just a Dem/Rep issue. It is both involved.

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                     wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     No, it is not a political party issue.  Rather it is a two part issue of money and dependency. 
                     
                     Money for all those that can make it off illegals while requiring the rest of Americans to support the illegals.  Dependency from those that feel it right and proper to require Americans to destroy our country supporting those that cannot or will not support themselves.
                     
                     It is amazing to me that so many people view illegals as merely farm workers and servants - one has only to walk on any construction site to find entire crews of illegal aliens.  These people have taken jobs and income from Americans, usually putting both American and illegal on the public dole, whether it be food stamps, subsidized housing, WIC, unemployment or any of dozens of others.  All of which we all pay for with increased taxes while our politicians want even more taxes to give them a higher education as well.

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                        Michael Willisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Give them a free education and then they can place them in higher positions and cut more American workers. This is being done in the construction industry. They will work for less, because they do not know better and without paying taxes, medicare, S.S. and health they earn more and are  just happy to get what they can while the big man gets rich.

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                           wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           You've got it.
                           
                           No car insurance, 4 families per house, free food at school for all the kids, food stamps and now subsidized education - they don't need a living wage.  They can do better than I can at half the wage.
                           
                           I'm in the trades - every good sized job will have at least one crew (and usually 3 to 4) that speaks no english at all and will drop their tools and bolt in all directions when INS shows up.  Seen it far too many times and I'm sick of it.

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                              Michael Willisposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Last summer OSHA was coming to the job and I almost got run down by several running off the job. It is a sad thing that fellow Americans will do this to their own. But the greed is stronger.

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                                 wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 Yet I always seem to hear that all they do is farm work that Americans won't work at anyway.  That and maybe house servant.  I wonder what all of them are doing on construction sites???

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                              ShortStoryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Of course, there is no more INS.

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   immolatedposted 14 years ago

   I am ashamed of the attitude I held for a really long time. I learned how to build working for an Amish contractor when I was 17. We built houses all over Philly, Del, into NJ, and Pa and Maryland. They were very different from us, "Sods." But they were nice enough and funny to get drunk with. Anyway, it is nothing to see the English, Amish, and immigrants building in harmony in one place. I still thought the Amish stink, they diont pay taxes, the Mexicans..well all the usual b.s. I worked for Dan for 6 years and I learned so much about their culture, shoot we basicly lived together! ANyhow during the last two years it has been HEATED that the Amish have outgrown their welcome in the cities because they are now able to stayu working in this tough economy by keeping bids extremely low. Lower than any regular contractor can do because of all the extra expenses of living, technology in personal lifestyles we feel is mandatory, and exemptions. Now they are enemys, not friends. So, the Amish and other miniorities remained humble and peaceful, but savy. Because of being clumped together with these minorities, the Amish found other fast and skilled workers. Never assume someone is ignorant or dumb because we do not understand them or speak the language. Working on Dans crew, spanish is now a third language they have fun with. Anything is possible outside of ignoranse. We can twist Gods words, uncle toms words, and our own words to fit our own agensda

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   immolatedposted 14 years ago

   I also just realized after reading your text Michael about the "powers that be" not listening to your states voters' voices. I am not sure how things are done down there, but you have a great point. Everyone's opinion is valid. There is a Mayor in our neighboring city of Harrisburg which is having the Mayor booted per the peoples demmand. Also her own staff is throwing her under the bus so that they down go with her! HAHA.I enjoy intelligent conversation with ya'll on this site. However varying it may be, it's healthy to voice

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