What will happen if the U.S did not start experimenting Atomic Bomb?

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   daryl2007posted 13 years ago

   This is a very interesting topic for us Historians.

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      paradigmsearchposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      We would all be speaking German.

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         ewd76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I'm assuming that's a joke.

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            paradigmsearchposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Nope, World War II. The Allies and the Axis were in a race to invent the atomic bomb.

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               ewd76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               We had already won in Germany before the Bomb.

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                  paradigmsearchposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  True, but what if we hadn’t known to bomb anything that even remotely looked like a nuclear research facility over there…?

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                     White Teethposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Heisenberg miscalculated critical mass. The Germans didn’t really think a bomb was possible and were actually building more of a radioactivity device. They put their money into rockets instead, thinking the war in Europe would be over before the atomic device would be useful.

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               wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Not a historian, but wasn't Germany sharing research with Japan as well?  Seems like I remember disrupting their communication by sinking a ship or something....

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         wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Or Japanese.  Or both - they might have broken us up and split the new land.  Very doubtful we would be American now, though.

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            ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Or Italian, people forget that the Italians were one of the major three Axis powers.
            
            Of course, there were many other Nazi allies too. It is pretty conclusive that Hitler wanted a purely Aryan European continent, not an Aryan world.

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         pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         wont have been that bad

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            Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            pisean, unless you fit into the Nazi mold.. the only German you would have had to learn is "Yes, Sir... I will get that for you right away... please don't kill me"
            
            

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               pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               was not talking about nazis...was talking about italians...considering its prime minister and vatican scams , i guess usa would have had far more fun than bill clinton's time

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                  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  don't forget the Roman orgies

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      Shahid Bukhariposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Do you Historians ... Scribes of Prejudiced views ... have anything, for Peace on Earth ... Have you also been led by the Satanic, to Believe, that you are the only Super Power on earth... though, in Reality, you can barely maintain, your Prejudices drawn fences ?

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         tlmntim9posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         ???? and what the heck does this mean.  Sorry don't read babble very well.

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            Shahid Bukhariposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            good for you ...
            
            Reading babble ... is said to be bad
            for the digestive system ... !
            
            Don't read, what I write ... just keep ignoring the Mirror ...
            it deflates ... the Inflated egos.

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      tlmntim9posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I'd say about 1 half million young Americans would have died along with untold millions of Japanese people as the marines conquered the main islands of the country of japan, street by street, house by house. Germany was already defeated and due to Hitlers stupidity was decades from developing any form of nuclear weapon if ever. It was not on Hitlers priority list, deemed not possible or not timely.
      Nagasaki was known as a location housing thousands of Allied POW's which might, and I say might, explain its escaping any large scale b52 conventional raids. Many hundreds, even thousands of POW's were shipped out from there only to die when their Jap transports were torpedoed by allied U boats. The fickled finger of war!

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   knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

   We might will not get irradiated from Japan. Low levels just reported in Nevada.

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   knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

   Actually Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the only two cities in Japan not bombed with conventional bombs before the big ones. Can only wonder why.

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   knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

   The bomb rules the world. But then those pesky Russians got it and so we had 'Mutual assured destruction'.

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   paradigmsearchposted 13 years ago

   Btw, my knowledge in this discussion is limited to what I remember in my history classes mumble-mumble years ago.
   
   I checked the OP’s profile. Whatever the real answers are, I’m guessing he knows them.

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   melporposted 13 years ago

   Germany and Japan started work on the development of the atomic bomb before the United States during World War II. United States was the first to execute a successful atomic bomb explosion.

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   Hokeyposted 13 years ago

   The United States completed their bomb with help from German scientists who defected.

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   optimus grimlockposted 13 years ago

   we would have slanted eyes and blond hair!

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      Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Not sure if the Native Americans would agree with you there lol

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   manlypoetrymanposted 13 years ago

   Germany and Japan were also experimenting...What would have happened if they had gotten their hands on it sooner?

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      tlmntim9posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I must say. I am flabbergasted by the lack of historical knowledge demonstrated here.
      The allies won the war, did and would have with or without the bomb. The bomb only made it quicker and saved allied lives.Germany nor japan ever had a chance once the USA became involved. That is fact, not opinion.

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         tlmntim9posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Neither Germany nor Japan was working towards a bomb.

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            logic,commonsenseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Germany was.  Just think where we would be if they perfected it and put it on their V2's.

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               White Teethposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               What the handful of German scientists were working on was more like a reactor than a bomb. They didn't think a bomb was possible, and they didn't think their device would be useful anytime soon, so they put most of the budget into the rockets instead.

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            ShortStoryposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Both Germany and Japan WERE working on a bomb.

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         manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         And you know that neither were working towards a bomb how...? Many documentaries have been made about how both sides (Japan and Germany) were in pursuit. But you say "no"...so I guess that solves it right there. Come on down to where "Reality" lives, my friend.
         
         Whether the documentaries were 100% dead-on accurate...would take several more documentaries to authenticate...who knows. I tend to think when many things (Operation Paprerclip) combine to show you that that was a direction the Germans were heading...well, where there is smoke there is usually fire. But, then again...you say "no"
         
         
         I must say...I am flabbergasted by your perception that I have not studied WWII. What part of all I said was opinion ?
         
         Geez...everyone on the internet is an expert on all things...just ask 'em!

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            tlmntim9posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Wake up! Stupid does not look good on you. Both countries decided not to peruse their programs. and yes, America on land on the moon...
            Seems you study,. comic books. I prefer historical fact.

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               manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Again...just 'cause you say it so...don't mean it happen like that. Stupid and Stubborn...are really begenning to stink this place up.
               
               What....did they both state that they weren't pursuing...what a joke. Both countries had such good records of telling the truth...and it is not like they didn't start a war they would do anything to win...and not like they weren't scrambling to develop new means to win. But...again...you say "no" ! Did you not study anything on Operation Paperclip...Oh yeah...that's just comic book stuff. You get all your news from the text of ________? How's that workin' out for ya'?
               
               Gee...it couldn't be that perhaps they said one thing...or did another thing (in war time), either. But, then you have all the answers then...why should anybody tell ya' contradictory. Enjoy your fantasy life.

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         White Teethposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         It is highly debatable how quickly the bomb ended the war. Both American and British intelligence had predicted (correctly) that Japan would surrender as soon as Russia declared war. Russia declaring war made a much bigger impression on Japan's military leadership than the bomb did. We were firebombing thier cities at will already.

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    knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

    "I'd say about 1 half million young Americans would have died along with untold millions of Japanese people as the marines conquered the main islands of the country of japan, street by street,". Big argument on this forever. Why not just navy blockade the island.

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    Eaglekiwiposted 13 years ago

    I guess we will never know now.

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    knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

    They know and we can guess.

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       Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       A guess is not fact.

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    knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

    "A guess is not fact". Is the interpretation of
    facts a fact or a guess?

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       Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Your guess is as good as mine

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    RichardCMckeownposted 13 years ago

    I think there will be no wars.

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    awareposted 13 years ago

    It was a race.
      The US just  got to the finish line first.
      There is a reason why     they haven't been used since .
    I think the result would be the same .
    So many wielding a gun there all afraid to fire.
    And stuck in a  perilous dull-drum.

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    pylos26posted 13 years ago

    B52 bombers were not designed and built until after the war.
    
    B29 bombers were the max during WW2.

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    Greek Oneposted 13 years ago

    Here is my best guess at what would have happened...
    
    1) The conquest of Japan would have happened, but it would have taken much longer and at the cost of many more US lives.  The extent to which the Soviet Union would have been involved in this conquest (as was their commitment after the fall of Germany), and their influence in post-war Japan, is questionable.
    
    2) Let's assume that the US did not 'start experimenting with the bomb' during the war because of competing priorities or because of lack of resources, etc.  Odds are that either they, or the Soviet Union, in the Cold War era that followed, would have eventually looked into developing such weapons.. who knows how long after WW2.
    
    Eventually, one bomb (or two or more) would have been developed.  The use of such a bomb, without the horrific experience of Japan, would have been more palatable.   Perhaps the first would have landed in North Korea.

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       Digsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Are you guys kidding me?  Take a breath and think a minute about who and what the Nazi and Imperial Japanese were all about.  Anyone from the Phillipines should have a very good grasp of what the Imperial Japanese Army was all about when they conquered the islands.  Maybe you need to ask your grandparents, if they survived the Japanese occupation.  The Japanese military arbitrarily cordoned off entire areas of conquered cities and made every women in that area a prostitute to be used by any Japanese soldier.  The men that objected were executed immediately at the whim of the soldier!  How many severed heads does history have too dump in your laps before you figure out who should have won the war--using any means!   One more note; the Japanese military operated on the system of "Bushido," way of the warrior, i.e. the Samuri Code.  Anyone who thinks that Samuri were cool, should dig a bit deeper into their history.

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          Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Not sure how your (correct) analysis e the Japanese contradicts with what I posted... unless you are saying the US would not have won the war without the bomb.
          
          They would indeed have won eventually... just that the cost in US lives would have been huge

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             White Teethposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Digs and Ahorseback are blindly trying to provide moral justification for the bombing even though the morality has not been questioned in this thread. They are replying to phantom arguments.
             
             The use of atomic weapons developed a stigma later on in the 60’s and some people started questioning the morality, and other people then felt the need to provide moral justification for their use and start talking about how many lives were saved. All the arguments on both sides of the morality of the bomb are pretty silly though. We were firebombing civilians living in paper houses, and our invasion plans included using poisonous gas against civilians.
             
             It is debatable how many lives were saved. Russia’s entrance into the war seems to have been the deciding factor in Japan’s surrender (that, and we decided that keeping the emperor was “close enough” to “unconditional” surrender.)

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             Digsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             The U.S. and our allies would have certainly won the war, but at greater cost to all, including the Japanese.  There doesn't need to be a moral justification for use of the bomb to end a war begun by the German's and Japanese that was immoral to begin with.  If I misunderstood the thread of the conversation it was unintentional.
             
             Just struck me that clinically debating and theorizing about World War II where the suffering and carnage was unimaginable, trivializes the suffering.  Sounded like "Dr. Strangelove," revisited.

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                MPChrisposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Teeth has a point. The schism between a weapon and a weapon of mass destruction wasn't really apparent at that time. After all, to the individual, even a knife is a weapon of mass destruction.
                
                This is a pointless question, but I'll throw my hat into the ring below.

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    Eaglekiwiposted 13 years ago

    And of course America treats their prisoners much better

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    ahorsebackposted 13 years ago

    I honestly cannot believe the lack of thought in some of the responses here and even the question......
    
    History lesson # 1 , Germany was taking over the european continent a city at a time at the same time working on the same stuff the US, was , atomic study and weapons applications.
    At the same time openly defying any challenge in a declared war against the world ! Not just the US, as well as allying themselves openly with Japan!
    
    History lesson # 2, Japan was on a binge overrunning every country within it's far reaching abilities , Openly declaring its hatred of America and all things American. Remember pearl harbor?
    
    History Lesson # 3, We ,The US , are fighting on both fronts with the loss of hundreds of THOUSANDS of troops in both wars , and well documented rumors of secret Japanese trials of the same possible mass destructive weaponry. The United States alone was looking at the final cost of victory against Japan and the emminent need to invade Japan with boots on the ground,possibly at a cost of  hundreds of thousands MORE dead American {and allied} forces.
    
    History Lesson #4  , Russia , at the same time is on the eastern front against Germany , Stopping at the river in Berlin Germany looking across the river at the allied forces wondering if it TOO can own europe and maybe even defeat the allied forces. Which by the way the US financed.ie. 'Lend Lease Program'
    
                    Do The math...
    
       Japan
       Germany  - VS-  America
       Russia
    
    But as always , politically correct liberal activists of modern cultures ,here and abroad today want he world to believe that the big bad wolf {America } was the bad boy on the block...
    I would love it , truely, if the majority  of people on this forum right now , would open a history book, but then ...Oh No , you would have to actually read it then wouln't you.
    by the way no offence intended towards anyone except those who speak without knowing what they're talking about.

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       melporposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I agree with you Ahorseback. People simply do not know their history. People have to study their history a little more before they post historical questions on the forum. I can see a lot of people were unaware that Japan and Germany were also working on the development of atomic weapons during World War II.

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    ahorsebackposted 13 years ago

    Quite probably the greatest , No!....The greatest! Weakness of moralist intellectual liberals today is their inability, in hindsight , to not look through rose colored glasses when viewing the world of any period in our history! If! ,you were to look through the glasses of time period reality , you would view it through a lens of the insecurity of our world ....at the time!,
       Imagine , a poor grade of ,and a  much more tunnel visioned,  idea of Media! There was no 24 /7 infomercial form of todays media , blindly babbling on about world affairs they no little about ,even now! Imagine a radio giving you a news broadcast a couple of times a day.
       A nation {America} just barely crawling out  of a real depression, Not like this minor recession we have today, but a "starving your children" kind of real depression!
       Imagine , I know you can , we all have great immaginations , that there are real threats  out there in the world ,knocking on our doors.  Nazi's storming acrossed Europe , swallowing everything in sight , London literally burning to the ground. Germany and Japan raping and pillaging it's way as a form of foriegn policy. The extreme probability that Germany has murders Millions of people.
       You have to be able to put yourself in te shoes of the past in order to understand the reality of the time. Most ,obviously never do that!. ....And here's the thing , I make no moral justifications for the use of the atomic bomb , yes! Its the worse thing any man has had to do to another nation. [maybe},but at the time ! It had to be done! And who are we today to pass judgement on our parents and grandparents for a choice of survival .
       Whiteteeth, Russia was only even in the war because of the "lend lease program", look it up!

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    ahorsebackposted 13 years ago

    One reason for the US having the first bomb as well, The US hired away from the Germans the major atomic scientists of the day , other wise it would have been a blond haired blue eyed nazi  carrying the first bomb  from eastern front -London to Washington , or a kamikazi from the western-front lines in California to New York City. think about it!

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    Old Empresarioposted 13 years ago

    A lot of historians do not know this. If we had not developed the atomic bomb, there would have been no effect on WWII. Here's why:
    
    April 1945:
    FDR dies and Truman becomes president
    
    May 1945:
    Germany surrenders; V-E Day. War on Japan continues.
    
    June 22, 1945:
    The US captures Okinawa, giving us an airstrip to bomb Japan with impunity. Emperor Hirohito and his government immediately begin meeting to discuss surrender terms.
    
    July 1945:
    On July 8, Japan, knowingly defeated, offers surrender to Truman on terms that Japan retain its emperor after the war. Truman deliberates on his options and decides to meet with Stalin first. On July 16, Truman meets Stalin in Potsdam to discuss the future of Europe. That same day, the atomic bomb is successfully tested in the US. Stalin wants Truman to uphold the terms agreed at the Yalta Conference on Soviet control of Germany's defeated allies in eastern Europe. Instead, Truman mentions his atomic bombs in order to leverage Stalin to fight Japan and back down on the postwar agreements. (Stalin's spies already knew Truman had the bombs) When Stalin remains aloof to the veiled threat, Truman authorizes use of the atomic bombs against Japan on July 23. Japan continues to try to surrender. On July 26, Truman formally refuses the offer of surrender by Japan, demanding unconditional surrender instead. The Japanese government discussed how to respond for about 11 days before the atomic bombs were dropped.
    
    August 1945:
    On August 2, the Potsdam Conference ends. August 6, Truman drops the first atomic bomb on Japan, just than 11 days after his demand for unconditional surrender. Japan surrenders unconditionally and everyone is happy the war is over.
    
    After the surrender, Truman allowed the emperor to remain in power, thus giving Japan the surrender terms for which it had asked and been denied in July. So, we could have ended the war on the same terms in July 1945 without having to drop the bombs or invade Japan. If we didn't build the atomic bombs, there would have been a quieter ending to the war and no Cold War with the USSR.

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    KiaKitoriposted 13 years ago

    If americans would not have had the atomic bomb then the russian would. Germans were not even close to get the bomb but they had tons of researches tht would have come in handy for russian taking over after the ww2.

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