From Alexander the Great to Thomas Jefferson, many people have reported seeing Ufo's and spacecraft. So why do we still find it so hard to believe it for ourselves?
Alexander the Great even met an Egyptian king when he enter a pyramid-that is why he is great.
Did Alexander the Great really see UFO?
That's really great. And this means the aliens were so advanced at that time also. But we, humans, are developing very slowly on earth.
Tens of thousands of professional and amateur astronomers sit outside night after night viewing the night sky. None have ever reported seeing aliens waving out their spacecraft windows or anything remotely similar.
Of course, the vast majority of those believers ignore the concept of space travel and the problems associated with all the hazards and barriers surrounding it. They simply believe that there are advanced beings that can build ships and travel anywhere in the universe. It's really quite hilarious.
So you think that in this vast place, humans are the only intelligent life?
There is absolutely no way to know how unlikely. The universe is big, but life may be extremely rare. Thus it may be unique.
We don't know.
What you don't know is that Beely is from planet Coruscant. They are quite attractive, but very argumentative.
I didn't say that. But, to be intelligent is to understand the problems of space travel, especially the ones that would kill any biological life forms making that attempt. The high energy radiation permeating open space would do such a thing, and there is little if anything to avert it, other than making a spaceship the size of a small moon and covering it with miles of regolith.
Then, you would need to propel such an object through space in terms of light years distances. The energy required to do such a thing would demand the ship be even bigger in order to carry the necessary engines and fuel to do it.
Listen Intimat, between you and me here... It has come to my attention that some of the most popular hubbers are not exactly 'humans'... keep it hushed, but I, I... I DO BELIEVE!
Last summer, I saw a UFO in broad daylight. It was oval in shape and seemed to reflect the sun, because the light from it was brilliant. I only saw it for a few seconds before it vanished. It did not move away, it simply blinked out of existence. I could hardly believe what I was seeing. However, I do not believe in visitors from other planets visiting ours. I think the government probably has advanced aircraft of which we know nothing.
I wonder why the military works so hard at covering up alien sightings? Some alien sighting reports are very intriguing, don't you think?
I think the military works so hard to cover up alien sightings because it looks bad on us if we are openly telling other countries that we don't have controll over our own air space. This would give our so called enemies a possible advantage over us.
Plus it may cause panic of the people and they wouldn't want that and lastly it may even cause people to question their religon which effectively and stupidly would cause mass war.
Lots of people think your waist band should be at crotch level too, doesn't mean it's true.
A waist, I can just about remember what one of those was.
So you don't believe in alien sightings? Do you think that the human race is the only one of its kind in the Universe?
I think the truth is not a democracy. People see stuff, I have no idea what that stuff really is, and absolutely no idea if there is other life in the universe. If there is and it's main hobby is buzzing Moscow and anally probing the denizens of Texas then God help us all.
Pray that you are never a probee - it is a most unpleasant experience. All those little green things with big eyes staring at you and probing for all they're worth. Ugh!
The worst part is the few minutes afterwards, when no one knows what to say.
Yes. All they ever want is to smoke afterwards!
I hate it when the tall gray ones make up excuses to leave right after they're done. They have to get up early the next day, or they just remembered they left the stove on.
Exactly! You always get the feeling that you're just one in a long string and they can't wait to get to the next one - that you really meant nothing to them. Just a little time, a little talk, would go a long way towards making a happy probing session.
Try cuddling one of them. They want no part of it.
Well, I don't know. Those lip tentacles always kind of put me off, you know. A little talk is all I ask but no, it's like "OK - we're done. Get out of the car. Get out NOW!" and poof! They're gone for the next Texan. No consideration at all.
How can you two turn an innocent topic into something so pervy?
I think out of the possible billions and billions of planets in the universe that the statistical chance of there being other life forms is almost certain. However, as was said in Star Trek, "It's life, but not as we know it." However, the distances involved in the universe and the possibility that any species has developed enough to be able to cross these distances is so unlikely as to be almost impossible. Whilst there may be life out there, I doubt we will ever know of it and they will never know of us.
The Drake equation is more of a statistical game than a description of reality. The conditions necessary for life are more complicated than running the numbers. It is also so much more complex than just the presence of liquid water.
We still live in Einstein's universe. The amount of energy necessary for interstellar or inter-dimensional travel are immense. As for UFOs, I am a skeptic. I am not a cynic. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable when dealing with terrestrial matters. Why would it be suddenly reliable when dealing with the potentially, extra-terrestrial?
I agree with you here, Muldanianman. I think that, in my unpolished and lay opinion, life is possibly out there that we don't know yet. However, I draw a distinction between life and INTELLIGENT life as would be required to fly around in spacecraft and make appearances all over the place. Consider all the forms of life just on earth, and only one out of the hundreds of thousands is "intelligent" in the sense that you think of when talking about space invaders or Star Wars aliens or whatever.
It's exactly as Carl Sagan put it - absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Although, I understand that I am using the quote in a somewhat different meaning than was originally intended...
What's your opinion on the ancient alien theory?
I think this theory has been invented by people who see every achievement of ancient man as being the product of alien encounters. They argue that the pyramids could not possibly have been built my man, even though the archaeological evidence shows that this is the case. Every cave painting of figures wearing a headdress is seen as an alien wearing a space suit. There is no evidence of alien visitations in the past, but it sells books and is something people are bound to find interesting.
Quite. I find it largely to be an unpleasant blend of wishful thinking and prejudice.
Some of the fortresses built on top of the Andie mountains, are pretty remarkable and completely unexplainable.
Other than having been made by ancient and rather advanced cultures like the Inca.
But the findings don't support the ideas that the inca built these fortresses. For one some of the ruins date to a much earlier time than that of the inca's. And with new testing, they have discover that much of the stone work was fired into those gigantic blocks...... And there are no findings to date that shows that the inca's knew how to do this. Now I'm not saying it was aliens. I am just saying that maybe your information on the inca's is a little outdated.
I think that I have not looked into the possibility enough to really have a valuable opinion on the matter. My suspicion is that the theory that extra-terrestrial beings coming to earth in ancient times to help build the pyramids, micromanage, give technology, etc. is completely unfounded other than wild speculation. In that case, I have no choice but to regard the theories as baseless.
However, as I stated earlier, I have never really looked very deeply to find out if anyone had some sort of supporting evidence or anything that might possibly hint at alien aid in ancient times. So, my thoughts really shouldn't be taken as valid conclusion either.
Many people have seen spacecraft - they go by various names such as "apollo" or "space shuttle".
Tens of thousands more have seen UFO's. I myself have seen dozens of them. Many may call them "meteors" or "shooting stars" but as they could also be asteroids or comets they are actually unidentified and are by definition UFO's.
As a teen my buddy and I sent a dry cleaners bag, filled with hydrogen and carrying lit candles, afloat from a nearby hilltop. It drifted out over the town before the hydrogen suddenly caught and with a silent flare up it disappeared. Many frantic calls to the police that night and it even made the paper the next day! Only two people could identify it and they both kept their mouth shut so for everyone else it was a true UFO.
It was a lot of fun and really, really hard not to let the cat out of the bag to our friends and schoolmates.
Well that is a really great story. It would make a great hub. You should write one. I bet it would do really good. Alien Sightings are a hot topic these days on the Internet.
You're probably right about the hub. But can you imagine how many kids would just love to send burning candles floating over the city? As an adult now I look back and wonder what if it were just a little heavier and came down on a house without the hydrogen blowing up first?
It probably wasn't the smartest thing to do. But it sure was fun at the time!
What a terrible thing to do! (not!) That was not only clever, but apparently effective.
I bet you can still get a smile out of that... I did.
Yes, I still get a laugh when I think about it.
Both of us were taking chemistry in school and a hydrogen generator seemed an interesting project. The rest was history as the thing drifted gently over the town at about 11:00 PM, spinning slowly and bobbing gently in the light breeze. Eventually I suppose a little puff of air compressed the bag a little, forcing hydrogen out of the open bottom and into the candles and resulting in the whole thing going poof! and disappearing. We were still up on the hill and could see the cop cars flashing lights running all over town but didn't realize we were the cause of the little town's excitement until the paper came out the next day.
I am fifty-one years old and that sounds like great fun for a 11pm Friday night prank. The difference is the presence of legally purchased libations.
Sure thing. Replace the candles with LED's and a little timer to ignite the hydrogen, though. I live only a couple of minutes (to an F15) from an air force base now. Can you just see them buzzing the town and ordering that bag to "Land immediately or we'll shoot!"? Or a group of Apache helicopters swooping around and surrounding it to force a landing?
I really shouldn't think such things, but....
About a week ago I saw an unidentified object on the horizon, the lights were so bright, it seemed to be hovering or something. I turned out to be a ship, a regular ship, I was disappointed!
I didn't know that there are names for many of the common aliens sighted. Example "the Grey's"
I've been reviewing some of the information I have read at various times about UFOs and ETs. Sometimes it's hard to weed out the hoaxers and totally gullible people from the ones who should be heeded. But to me, these following reports are worth noticing (some interviews with astronauts and also with the former head of the UFO project for the British Ministry of Defense).
In one interview I saw (but couldn't find again quickly), the interviewee said that in 1989 (I think that was the year) they had already documented 57 different alien species on earth. That video was one of the ones I didn't feel sure about, although the man who made the statement did not appear to be obviously loony.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlOZtfy0MwY&NR=1 -- 51 sec.
(astronaut) Edgar Mitchell calls on Pres. Obama to release government documents about UFOs and ETs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVV6u-Y2 … re=related -- 2:27
Edgar Mitchell - mentions Grays (says there is definitely evidence aliens are among us and the government's covering it up)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNqbDWgMRxo&NR=1 -- 5:26
(former head of British MoD's UFO project) Nick Pope interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTUjsXJprMg&NR=1 -- 3:15
news report about military personnel speaking out about their personal experiences; interview with Leslie Kean, author of "UFOs" – in the book she included only incidents that can't be argued with; she is a skeptic, but she says the "evidence is irrefutable for some kind of physical phenomenon"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvPR8T1o3Dc&NR=1 -- 5:04
(astronaut) Gordon Cooper's personal experiences with UFOs – interview with him
Have you seen the movie the Fourth Kind? Did you see any of that amazing footage of the actual events? It really did make me wonder.
No, I haven't seen that movie, but I will look for it. Thanks for letting me know about it.
I have been amazed at some of the footage on YouTube, and a lot of it looks totally plausible to me... but then, along comes someone else to describe how the video could be (or actually is) faked. I'm not savvy enough to know how to recognize the well-done fakes, but I definitely believe there are things going on that we need to pay attention to.
I am watching the Deadilest Catch. The crew of the Time Bandit just let about 10 Chinese lanterns go up into the dark starry night. And almost immediately the alien sightings began. He lit them off as a prank. Too funny!
I saw a ufo once..I won't share the story because it's too bizarre for even me to believe. But it happened. Our arrogance of our own knowledge is mind boggling. And to scoff at so many world wide sightings has never made sense to me.
We will find a way to overcome the problems associated with space travel one day and we'll be the ufos of other worlds.
No magic required, my good man. It will all be achieved through science. Forward thinking and imaginative scientists, to be exact.
Not much evidence of it right now when the only space program with a reentry vehicle was just scrapped.
Oh, I would disagree. You're thinking NASA only. That isn't the world's only avenue for research and development in space technology.
I think we may have to look to countries like India, who are developing their space programme. They have the money now for it, but the West no longer does.
I think the west has simply misplaced their priorities, but there are companies actively working toward space tourism, so we'll get some technology from that avenue too.
Space is beginning to come within our grasp. Barring some world wide catastrophe, this will keep moving forward. Too many people want it. We'll have a moon base before we know it.
I specified the only program with a reentry vehicle. One that can take-off and land. Do you know of another? Or do you think we will bridge the gap between planets with a three stage rocket?
Nasa is working toward a manned mission to Mars, using plasma driven rockets, if I'm not mistaken. But from everything I've read, there's a lot of talk about it being a one way mission. So, I assume we don't yet possess the technology to take off again once we've landed. But that wouldn't mean we won't discover a way before we reach that point. It isn't a hurdle. Plenty of people, including me, would volunteer for that mission.
Plus, they've made strides in the development in the technology to build a space elevator. Once that hurdle has been overcome we won't have to worry about spacecraft taking off from earth. We'll start building them in space.
There're hurdles, but this isn't impossible. It's a long term goal.
I haven't heard about the Mars mission. Surely NASA can't send people to their deaths, at least I hope not. Who would volunteer to go, knowing that they won't be coming back?
Well, that's nice wishful thinking, but that doesn't help overcome the problems of space travel. There are many more problems as well, too many to mention here; gravity, psychoanalytical, time, etc. As biological life forms, we just weren't meant to survive in space, at least not for a very long time.
We could survive at least four weeks couldn't we? That's how long they are thinking it would take a plasma driven rocket to reach Mars.
I am aware of the other problems, and you are right. We can't, with the way things stand, go much further. But we have to start somewhere and there are years and years of research ahead of us if we can just make it that far. Research that will help us take the next step further; if possible. But, we won't know what is possible unless we push the limits.
Tripping around our solar system was not really what I was referring to about space travel, but instead outside our system and traveling around our galaxy and other galaxies.
I do like your optimism, though.
It is not clear what NASA is working towards given that they are about to scrap their only manned space vehicle and have laid off most of their staff in that area and slashed the budget. if they are going into space any time soon they are apparently doing it without the proverbial 'rocket scientists'. Obama said something vague about private enterprise picking up the slack.
OK. I've googled and there is a whole lot of information on the internet about different scenarios; so maybe it is all optimistic to an extent. But here's one article about someone from NASA talking about the idea.
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/10/27/nasa- … n-to-mars/
You need to get out of the narrow focus of the NASA - AOL loop. China has an active space program, they have recently put up their own home-grown geo satellite grid and launched their own 'earth-map' site and GPS. They have put people in space and are planning to bypass the moon landing stage and go directly to Mars. I will need to go read up on it all to get up to date, this info was all two years ago last time I looked. If that Martian says Ni-hao to you then it is a Chinaman
Like I said, they have talked about the idea, with launch about 30 years away, since the 1950s. But to make it happen, you have to actually do it. Which requires a budget. Which Obama just obliterated.
It is hard to criticise Obama for trying to get the US of A to live within its limited means ? Persuading your military barons to give up the money and down-size would be a better option but this won't happen without a majority for the Obama party in all houses and a serious confrontation. You are already a half-military dictatorship and don't even know it !
The US has been planning to go to Mars in 'about 30 years' since the 1950s. This remains true today. As usual, nothing is actually being done to make it happen.
Do you know how US astronauts are getting to the space station? The Russians are taking them.
Anyone who thinks the US space program is doing well is looking at the smoke and mirrors, not the budgets and facilities.
This is the one thing about the end of the cold war that makes me sad.
It's not that I don't understand, but it's still sad. Thirty years ago they thought is we;d have hover cats and moon-dome-cities by now.... At this rate the sun'll be burning out before people starting thinking about funding applied research into long distance space travel.
Maybe you missed my post further up - China already has a well established space program with men up there etc etc, and they are seriously planning for Mars last I heard. I wonder why this stuff never appears in the mainstream media in the weest ?
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