Tens of thousands of professional and amateur astronomers sit outside night after night viewing the night sky. None have ever reported seeing aliens waving out their spacecraft windows or anything remotely similar.
Of course, the vast majority of those believers ignore the concept of space travel and the problems associated with all the hazards and barriers surrounding it. They simply believe that there are advanced beings that can build ships and travel anywhere in the universe. It's really quite hilarious.
I didn't say that. But, to be intelligent is to understand the problems of space travel, especially the ones that would kill any biological life forms making that attempt. The high energy radiation permeating open space would do such a thing, and there is little if anything to avert it, other than making a spaceship the size of a small moon and covering it with miles of regolith.
Then, you would need to propel such an object through space in terms of light years distances. The energy required to do such a thing would demand the ship be even bigger in order to carry the necessary engines and fuel to do it.
Last summer, I saw a UFO in broad daylight. It was oval in shape and seemed to reflect the sun, because the light from it was brilliant. I only saw it for a few seconds before it vanished. It did not move away, it simply blinked out of existence. I could hardly believe what I was seeing. However, I do not believe in visitors from other planets visiting ours. I think the government probably has advanced aircraft of which we know nothing.
I think the military works so hard to cover up alien sightings because it looks bad on us if we are openly telling other countries that we don't have controll over our own air space. This would give our so called enemies a possible advantage over us. Plus it may cause panic of the people and they wouldn't want that and lastly it may even cause people to question their religon which effectively and stupidly would cause mass war.
I think the truth is not a democracy. People see stuff, I have no idea what that stuff really is, and absolutely no idea if there is other life in the universe. If there is and it's main hobby is buzzing Moscow and anally probing the denizens of Texas then God help us all.
Exactly! You always get the feeling that you're just one in a long string and they can't wait to get to the next one - that you really meant nothing to them. Just a little time, a little talk, would go a long way towards making a happy probing session.
Well, I don't know. Those lip tentacles always kind of put me off, you know. A little talk is all I ask but no, it's like "OK - we're done. Get out of the car. Get out NOW!" and poof! They're gone for the next Texan. No consideration at all.
I think out of the possible billions and billions of planets in the universe that the statistical chance of there being other life forms is almost certain. However, as was said in Star Trek, "It's life, but not as we know it." However, the distances involved in the universe and the possibility that any species has developed enough to be able to cross these distances is so unlikely as to be almost impossible. Whilst there may be life out there, I doubt we will ever know of it and they will never know of us.
The Drake equation is more of a statistical game than a description of reality. The conditions necessary for life are more complicated than running the numbers. It is also so much more complex than just the presence of liquid water.
We still live in Einstein's universe. The amount of energy necessary for interstellar or inter-dimensional travel are immense. As for UFOs, I am a skeptic. I am not a cynic. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable when dealing with terrestrial matters. Why would it be suddenly reliable when dealing with the potentially, extra-terrestrial?
I agree with you here, Muldanianman. I think that, in my unpolished and lay opinion, life is possibly out there that we don't know yet. However, I draw a distinction between life and INTELLIGENT life as would be required to fly around in spacecraft and make appearances all over the place. Consider all the forms of life just on earth, and only one out of the hundreds of thousands is "intelligent" in the sense that you think of when talking about space invaders or Star Wars aliens or whatever.
It's exactly as Carl Sagan put it - absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Although, I understand that I am using the quote in a somewhat different meaning than was originally intended...
I think this theory has been invented by people who see every achievement of ancient man as being the product of alien encounters. They argue that the pyramids could not possibly have been built my man, even though the archaeological evidence shows that this is the case. Every cave painting of figures wearing a headdress is seen as an alien wearing a space suit. There is no evidence of alien visitations in the past, but it sells books and is something people are bound to find interesting.
But the findings don't support the ideas that the inca built these fortresses. For one some of the ruins date to a much earlier time than that of the inca's. And with new testing, they have discover that much of the stone work was fired into those gigantic blocks...... And there are no findings to date that shows that the inca's knew how to do this. Now I'm not saying it was aliens. I am just saying that maybe your information on the inca's is a little outdated.
I think that I have not looked into the possibility enough to really have a valuable opinion on the matter. My suspicion is that the theory that extra-terrestrial beings coming to earth in ancient times to help build the pyramids, micromanage, give technology, etc. is completely unfounded other than wild speculation. In that case, I have no choice but to regard the theories as baseless. However, as I stated earlier, I have never really looked very deeply to find out if anyone had some sort of supporting evidence or anything that might possibly hint at alien aid in ancient times. So, my thoughts really shouldn't be taken as valid conclusion either.
Many people have seen spacecraft - they go by various names such as "apollo" or "space shuttle".
Tens of thousands more have seen UFO's. I myself have seen dozens of them. Many may call them "meteors" or "shooting stars" but as they could also be asteroids or comets they are actually unidentified and are by definition UFO's.
As a teen my buddy and I sent a dry cleaners bag, filled with hydrogen and carrying lit candles, afloat from a nearby hilltop. It drifted out over the town before the hydrogen suddenly caught and with a silent flare up it disappeared. Many frantic calls to the police that night and it even made the paper the next day! Only two people could identify it and they both kept their mouth shut so for everyone else it was a true UFO.
You're probably right about the hub. But can you imagine how many kids would just love to send burning candles floating over the city? As an adult now I look back and wonder what if it were just a little heavier and came down on a house without the hydrogen blowing up first?
It probably wasn't the smartest thing to do. But it sure was fun at the time!
Both of us were taking chemistry in school and a hydrogen generator seemed an interesting project. The rest was history as the thing drifted gently over the town at about 11:00 PM, spinning slowly and bobbing gently in the light breeze. Eventually I suppose a little puff of air compressed the bag a little, forcing hydrogen out of the open bottom and into the candles and resulting in the whole thing going poof! and disappearing. We were still up on the hill and could see the cop cars flashing lights running all over town but didn't realize we were the cause of the little town's excitement until the paper came out the next day.
Sure thing. Replace the candles with LED's and a little timer to ignite the hydrogen, though. I live only a couple of minutes (to an F15) from an air force base now. Can you just see them buzzing the town and ordering that bag to "Land immediately or we'll shoot!"? Or a group of Apache helicopters swooping around and surrounding it to force a landing?
I've been reviewing some of the information I have read at various times about UFOs and ETs. Sometimes it's hard to weed out the hoaxers and totally gullible people from the ones who should be heeded. But to me, these following reports are worth noticing (some interviews with astronauts and also with the former head of the UFO project for the British Ministry of Defense).
In one interview I saw (but couldn't find again quickly), the interviewee said that in 1989 (I think that was the year) they had already documented 57 different alien species on earth. That video was one of the ones I didn't feel sure about, although the man who made the statement did not appear to be obviously loony.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTUjsXJprMg&NR=1 -- 3:15 news report about military personnel speaking out about their personal experiences; interview with Leslie Kean, author of "UFOs" – in the book she included only incidents that can't be argued with; she is a skeptic, but she says the "evidence is irrefutable for some kind of physical phenomenon"
No, I haven't seen that movie, but I will look for it. Thanks for letting me know about it.
I have been amazed at some of the footage on YouTube, and a lot of it looks totally plausible to me... but then, along comes someone else to describe how the video could be (or actually is) faked. I'm not savvy enough to know how to recognize the well-done fakes, but I definitely believe there are things going on that we need to pay attention to.
I am watching the Deadilest Catch. The crew of the Time Bandit just let about 10 Chinese lanterns go up into the dark starry night. And almost immediately the alien sightings began. He lit them off as a prank. Too funny!
I saw a ufo once..I won't share the story because it's too bizarre for even me to believe. But it happened. Our arrogance of our own knowledge is mind boggling. And to scoff at so many world wide sightings has never made sense to me.
We will find a way to overcome the problems associated with space travel one day and we'll be the ufos of other worlds.
Nasa is working toward a manned mission to Mars, using plasma driven rockets, if I'm not mistaken. But from everything I've read, there's a lot of talk about it being a one way mission. So, I assume we don't yet possess the technology to take off again once we've landed. But that wouldn't mean we won't discover a way before we reach that point. It isn't a hurdle. Plenty of people, including me, would volunteer for that mission.
Plus, they've made strides in the development in the technology to build a space elevator. Once that hurdle has been overcome we won't have to worry about spacecraft taking off from earth. We'll start building them in space.
There're hurdles, but this isn't impossible. It's a long term goal.
Well, that's nice wishful thinking, but that doesn't help overcome the problems of space travel. There are many more problems as well, too many to mention here; gravity, psychoanalytical, time, etc. As biological life forms, we just weren't meant to survive in space, at least not for a very long time.
We could survive at least four weeks couldn't we? That's how long they are thinking it would take a plasma driven rocket to reach Mars.
I am aware of the other problems, and you are right. We can't, with the way things stand, go much further. But we have to start somewhere and there are years and years of research ahead of us if we can just make it that far. Research that will help us take the next step further; if possible. But, we won't know what is possible unless we push the limits.
It is not clear what NASA is working towards given that they are about to scrap their only manned space vehicle and have laid off most of their staff in that area and slashed the budget. if they are going into space any time soon they are apparently doing it without the proverbial 'rocket scientists'. Obama said something vague about private enterprise picking up the slack.
OK. I've googled and there is a whole lot of information on the internet about different scenarios; so maybe it is all optimistic to an extent. But here's one article about someone from NASA talking about the idea.
You need to get out of the narrow focus of the NASA - AOL loop. China has an active space program, they have recently put up their own home-grown geo satellite grid and launched their own 'earth-map' site and GPS. They have put people in space and are planning to bypass the moon landing stage and go directly to Mars. I will need to go read up on it all to get up to date, this info was all two years ago last time I looked. If that Martian says Ni-hao to you then it is a Chinaman
Like I said, they have talked about the idea, with launch about 30 years away, since the 1950s. But to make it happen, you have to actually do it. Which requires a budget. Which Obama just obliterated.
It is hard to criticise Obama for trying to get the US of A to live within its limited means ? Persuading your military barons to give up the money and down-size would be a better option but this won't happen without a majority for the Obama party in all houses and a serious confrontation. You are already a half-military dictatorship and don't even know it !
It's not that I don't understand, but it's still sad. Thirty years ago they thought is we;d have hover cats and moon-dome-cities by now.... At this rate the sun'll be burning out before people starting thinking about funding applied research into long distance space travel.
Maybe you missed my post further up - China already has a well established space program with men up there etc etc, and they are seriously planning for Mars last I heard. I wonder why this stuff never appears in the mainstream media in the weest ?