The truth about Lies.

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   Sky9106posted 13 years ago

   With my own two eyes I have seen, and with my person I have been among many, that sees and believes there is nothing to it when they deliberately tell Lies.
   
   What is your truth about Lies?
   
   Because to me a Liar is worse than a Criminal! Should Known Liars be avoided by all means
   
   Your take because there is this saying that's quickly spreading that says:It's no longer a Lie , if you believe it!
   
   Bless.

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      HattieMattieMaeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I think when I see a liar now, I just seems like they are only fooling themselves and I usually call them out on it, although they might get mad, I think they really need to think about why they are lieing. Of course they keep doing it anyway, but than i just walk away because I understand that is their lesson to learn. I guess the more times they lie and don't get away with it, the better.

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         Sky9106posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I fought with it for quite , don't give up easily because people like I said earlier , and  Knolyourself bought out the very same thing that I saw .
         Some of these habits sometime come all the way from childhood , so if they are close I usually give a go at asking ,  from where it came , see what I can do .
         Thanks for your Ip.Hattie.
         bless.

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            HattieMattieMaeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            yay they are usually from childhood. depending on how chaotic, and sometimes because of alcoholism, drugg addiction, co-dependency, family secrets, abuse etc. Most of these children lie and don't have the freedom to be themselves trying to avoid being abused further, or lie to get attention. If it is to get attention I can't see reiforcing the behavior by acknowledging it.

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               Sky9106posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               There you go , and I have seen it in perfect action , I got so touched I almost did something that would have caused me more than the necessary lessons in that family , I stopped visit the lies were no lying this time they ran rampant , up to this very day give thanks, I felt irregardless I should have done more.
               I had there respect but , I had to leave it was too many , it became the norm even when they got caught , they felt that's what they had to do.
               I love kids , they will hear from the sky.
               Bless Hattie.

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            HattieMattieMaeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Guess I can see the point did meet a teen once that believed her abusers and it is all some people have to hang on to. Sometimes they will hang on to the lie until they are ready to cope with a new reality.

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               Sky9106posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               There you go again and to them they will swear that is the correct way to handle it . .
               
               Great words Hattie.
               Bless.

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      kessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      The truth about the lie is that every lie is based upon the truth.
      
      Without the Truth there can be no lies.
      
      The purpose of the Lie is to spread the Truth cause the lies cannot exist by itself.
      
      So give me the Lie and I will be the Truth of it.

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      Jynzlyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I do agree with you...liars should be kept in prison where all the liars are held; perhaps they will be happy among themselves. I cannot thrive among liars, they are criminals that are killing me gradually. But anyway, liars are already punished; in times of difficulty, because difficult times is a natural happening in this life, whether we like it or not, liars are the last ones to receive help or assistance, they always get rejection from an honest and decent society. Only the pure in heart are cared for sincerely.

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   knolyourselfposted 13 years ago

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn_PSJsl0LQ

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      Sky9106posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I guess we watched the very same thing today , lol Still I need your take . The important this is what we have to say about what they say , since we are the ones directly in the battle. .
      
      Thanks for the quickest response ever. lol.

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   recommend1posted 13 years ago

   The whole point of a lie is that it can erase the past and change the future.  I have had a front seat view of the process - my ex-wife has a 'victim personality disorder' where she escapes the reality of her failings by telling everyone that someone is victimising her.  In her case that would be me.  I worked away from home and would return at the weekends and sometimes every few weeks.  Every time I came home I would have 'lost' a friend or two, even family members. It took a while to find out all the stuff that she was telling everyone that I was doing to her, all lies, but justification for her stealing my company blind, why she could not work, etc etc.  This behaviour included deleting, destroying or hiding all evidence of the past such as photographs, documents etc.
   
   By effectively erasing my past, she removed me from most of my family and all of my friends.  NOW - Even though they know that what they think they know of me is lies  - they still have the same attitude.  I guess the stuff sticks in the subconcious, and with a little guilt of their own for being so gullible - it is easier to stick with their behaviour.
   
   As a society we do the same thing.  The media and our politicians tell us blatant lies, after the event we are complicit and it is easier to go along with everyone else and ignore the lie and so bury the past.    Take Iraq, we all know that we were complicit in the destruction of that country based on absolutely fabricated lies - and yet many people will still insist that it was not a lie in the face of absolutely overwhelming evidence. This past event changed the future.

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      wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Almost everyone will believe a lie  and accept it as truth if it is repeated often enough.  Rather sad, but that's the way we are built.

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         Sky9106posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I have a Mother that I believe could smell anything out of the ordinary, and there are no intervening between a mother and her child. I love her to where ever life takes us for all the things I got angry at her for , and believe me I could not dare let her see an angry face on me.
         Bless.

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         HattieMattieMaeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Very true Wilderness! We believe in our naitivity! We want to believe in the best in people. Although there is always thoughs who take advantage of us, are con artist, and I think the more we learn to decipher the positive people, we recognize those that are not truthful.

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      Sky9106posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      My God , should I read more? I will. But I won't say why I stopped , but I can hint that life runs on many similar fronts , but what's most important, are the lessons one learns from them.
      
      Bless. .

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         Sky9106posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I love the fact that you are the one to know yourself , and you do. I'll tell you this , there is a feeling that comes over you in these situations , and knowing that you were actually abused, that feeling tend to want you to still prove yourself , and that's the very worse you can do . The best you can do is something close to this which you just did.
         Keep your truthful copy and be sure it is all truthful.
         There are wicked and evil men , there are the very same in women , but the truth will always be the way to go . It's not about exposing the person , you already know them , it's about using you God given ability  to let others know that it's true when they say no two people are alike.
         For greater is the truth that's in you than  those who maliciously bring evil against you.
         If ever you need to ask about something that still nags .
         I try never to get into politics not for any negative reasons , I love truth and solutions  .
         Bless brethren.
         Bless.

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      HattieMattieMaeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      That just is plain victim mentality reccomend. We all have a point in our lives where we play the victim, and never realise we need to take responsibility for creating our lives exactly the way they are in the moment. It is easy to make excuses, blame someone else, and wait around for our lives to change, until one day we realise it won't change until we move forward, leave the past behind and get past our fears.

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         recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I don't have a victim mentality,  I just dropped it all and them and walked.  I have no regrets and hardly think about that period of my past and only mentioned it here to illustrate how the current lies and convenient forgetfulness works.
         
         The experiences of the past make us what we are today - and today i am married to a beautiful Chinese princess (more accurately will be in a couple of weeks) half my  age, have a nice easy job, nice house, fabulous lifestyle and am happy as I always have been.

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            SomewayOuttaHereposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            ...where's my invite?....2 weeks?...i need to figure out what to bring

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               recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               OK  -  you are not invited to the event !!!!!!!!   here, the registration is just a visit to the office (I say 'just' but the office is 1000 miles away!) the dress-up event will be in the middle of August.  Consider yourself invited to that shindig.

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                  SomewayOuttaHereposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  finally...dates are set...it's about time!.....i want a formal invite - just like the others get...not here on HP...i'm seeerrrious, you just never know whether or not i'll show up....i'm free as a bird these days....China would be a great place to visit and of course to say hi to you and Suki!...and witness your marriage...i'm happy for you R1!...i'm smiling right now!

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                     recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     ok.  You are on,
                     
                     you will need to keep the middle of august free in your diary.  I guess the event will be within two or three days of the 22nd august

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                        SomewayOuttaHereposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        ok...i'll be waiting by my mailbox...i think it's cool you are finally 'doing it'...well i guess you've already 'done it' but now you are really gonna 'do it'...so far i'm just heading into the US for about 10 days in late July early August....i think...i can easily change those plans...been there done that many times...but China...hmmmmm....................................................................................................
                        .....can i ride your vespa while i'm there (j/k) since you'll be busy?
                        
                        xo

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                           recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Of course you can ride my super electric scooter (vespa indeed !!) if you want.  You might have a bit of initial trouble with the Chinese traffic as mostly they ignore the rules, but when you have learned to drive with no-rules and understand that it is exactly the same as driving with-rules but safer - then you can go out on your own.

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                              SomewayOuttaHereposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              no problem!...i'm a rule breaker anyway.....
                              
                              
                              thanks!.....i'll make sure i bring my favourite scarf that blows in the wind 'just right'.......................................................how are the mufflers on that scoot anyway? 

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   cousinbposted 13 years ago

   I believe there are 2 kinds of lies- conscious and sub-conscious.
   
   Conscious lies would be, by definition, intentional, and therefore self-serving, and certainly inclusive of manipulative or larcenous behavior. Any act of misquoting, withholding or inventing statements to change an outcome would have to qualify as a knowing lie.
   
   Sub-conscious lies are ones told to substantiate or validate the ego in a particular situation. The most common form is the imagining or inventing of facts, opinions or quotes not likely to be verified. These lies are believed by the conscious despite being extrapolated by the sub-conscious. Often, they emerge as some kind of faux-paus, as, well, several examples in the Republican presidential race have.
   
   I believe we are financially, politically and socially awash in both types of lying, merged together in a large grey area that encourages, even rewards deceptions at ever-deeper levels of society.
   
   I think it's easier for a population to remain individually more honest when they feel their leaders and captains are so.

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      Sky9106posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      This is awesome and eye popping. A great explanation. If My mind sends me correct , you are lined up in a sensitive area in your expertise.
      
      Thanks you.

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         cousinbposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         you're welcome. thanks for reading.

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      Green Lotusposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Excellent observations about why we lie. I have great interest in the subject as well as the consequences of habitual lying. It not only begins to define who you are, but can subsequently affect your health and well-being.

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         cousinbposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         thank you, as well.

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   understandyurselfposted 13 years ago

   truth n lies...???
   
   I think both are relative, because we will know when we have to lie and when to tell the truth, it all depends on the circumstances in which we reside. we will know when it will be useful.

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      Sky9106posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      A great answer and an even greater name .
      
      Bless. lol.

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      vector7posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I humbly disagree with that and assert it is never useful to lie.
      
      Short term, vs. Long term.
      
      I don't mean lifetime either, I mean eternity, which is scientifically established as a reality.
      
      Lies are exactly like dictionaries with the wrong definitions. [a book of lies] Prove that is useful, then maybe you'll have some starting point for logic.
      
      But just for time's sake, it isn't useful in any manner... Confusion, chaos, snowballs into entropy which thus leaves termination of whatever it was the lies involve. Ultimately.

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   lone77starposted 13 years ago

   Kess made a brilliant observation that every lie is based on truth. That's what makes it stick. That's what makes it so insidious.
   
   Hitler told sweet lies about the honor and pride of Germany and about the evils of Jewish bankers (likely the Rothschilds). There was a lot of truth in what he said, but then he embellished the truth with his own fantasies.
   
   Lies - A Bad Habit
   
   My second wife was expert at telling lies. She would practice in public whenever she had the chance, frequently kicking me to keep me from saying anything until she had a chance to spin her story.
   
   The truth about lies is that they come from ego -- the heart of selfishness. Ego wants to win, to be seen as right, to survive. To the ego, truth and lies are merely tools toward those ends. Just look at the motivation: it all comes back to the self. Things are important because of the self. Lies, murder, theft and more are perpetrated because of the self. Within every victim there resides a perpetrator who suffers. Within every perpetrator there resides a victim who rages to lash out. That is ego -- the essence of both good and evil -- both sides of the mortal coin.
   
   American Politics - 2012
   
   The current presidential campaign with the Republicans is a classic example of this. So many of those running are telling lies to make themselves look good. But if you look at their records, their lack of consistency speaks volumes about their values. It shows that they are ego-driven opportunists who will not hold the sacred trust of the American public as something precious. Oh, they'll view it as important, but only so long as it helps them get to where they want to be.
   
   
   
   Only one candidate comes close to ideal -- Ron Paul. Consistent, generous, unselfish, dedicated to the Constitution and to helping the American citizens (not just the super rich).
   
   The Lie of All Lies
   
   One of the biggest lies ever told involves those super rich. They were the real culprits behind 9/11 (see video). Check out the video (the late Aaron Russo, revealing some of the Rockefeller secrets).
   
   When Nelson Rockefeller was being vetted as VP of the United States, Congress asked him about why one of his companies was supplying the enemy (treason). To our shame, congress bought his lame excuse that he didn't know. This is standard for all of the super rich banking establishment -- you always finance both sides in a conflict. If you own part of the military-industrial complex, you arm both sides. Maximum profit and you get to control the outcome.
   
   Why would Donald Rumsfeld go before congress on September 10, 2001 to admit that he and the government didn't know what happened to 2.3 Trillion dollars given to the military? Why that date? Perhaps what happened the next day will help explain why an admission of such gargantuan proportions would be made at all. No one remembers this admission. It became unimportant. Any whistle-blower would have nothing to say, because it had already been said. The lie was in telling the truth at just the right time for it to be swept under the carpet. 9/11 made that mammoth elephant disappear.
   
   And why would Congress continue to drive America deeper and deeper into debt at a dizzying pace? Could it be because the super rich behind the scenes don't care if America survives in one piece? Could it be that their callous greed has no time for the little people and their concerns?
   
   Biblical Proportions
   
   We are witnessing the beast of Revelation 13 in action. This is it. Listen to Aaron Russo again and compare that to Revelation 13. Next, the Rockefellers have planned microchipping us all. Don't even think of going along with that evil. Don't suckle up to the parasite that is killing the dream that was America.

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