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Just watched the Miss America 2018 show

  1. jackclee lm profile image82
    jackclee lmposted 3 months ago

    It was very entertaining and the show was nicely done. My only complaint is the final question segment.
    Three of the final 5 questions were political in nature and the questions have no business in a talent and entertainment show...IMHO. It seems to me the entertainment industry just can't help themselves. They need to bash the current Trump administration every chance they get.

    I don't mind political questions in gemeral but they should be asked fairly.
    The one about climate change and the Paris Accord was a sham.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
      Kathryn L Hillposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      Maybe the girls have taste, but the show does not.

    2. RJ Schwartz profile image93
      RJ Schwartzposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      Jack - politically motivated questions have always been part of these types of events.  What I find laughable is that these young ladies faced tougher questions by the judges than anyone ever asked President Obama while he was in office...as President.

      1. jackclee lm profile image82
        jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        I don't mind tough questions but they need to be fair...I don't think these people rven realize their leading questions are biased.

    3. Credence2 profile image81
      Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Jack, the pageant is already a dog and pony show that I am surprised that women would continue to accept  in this day and age. The girl has opinions, she has a right to these. We like to think that these women are more than the sum of their parts. BTW wasn't Trump a major player in the pageant? How did these touchy questions pass muster in the first place?

      1. jackclee lm profile image82
        jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        As I said, I don't mind controversial questions but it needs to be asked in a fair way. If the question is biased and take on a group mentality... then it is unfair to even answer. If I was a contestant, I would call them out on the question.
        In the example of The Paris accord, I would say something like...
        Climate change is a controversial topic and the Paris accord penalize the US over other countries such as China which is the largest polluter on the planet. It is right for our President to reject this accord and seek a better more equitable agreement...

        1. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

          No doubt, Jack, I almost certain I would know what You would say in such a case, but we have to acknowledge that everyone is not of the same opinion.

  2. psycheskinner profile image81
    psycheskinnerposted 3 months ago

    Miss America is meant to be a well-rounded person with a "platform" (inspiring goal) that they will advance using their fame if they win.  So I think the questions should be challenging and about topics like politics and science.  If they know they answer great, if not how they deal with it is revealing.

    1. jackclee lm profile image82
      jackclee lmposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      It was no reflection on the girls. They answered the question the way it was posed. It is the question it self I had problems with. They were construed as anti-Trump policies... I hope you see my point.
      The one about the Virginia statue was a way to paint Trump as racist and Nazi sympathizer...totally false.
      I guess they just can't help themselves.

      1. Quilligrapher profile image88
        Quilligrapherposted 3 months agoin reply to this


        My friend, your post makes the claim that  President Trump’s reputation as a racist is "…totally false."

        I think this would be a good time to jump in with documented evidence found in the public record, evidence that proves Mr. Trump has earned his reputation for being a racist!

        During his tenure as president of Trump Management Corporation, Donald Trump was sued, not once but twice, by the U.S. Department of Justice. The first time, the Justice Department produced evidence of racial discrimination against blacks who tried to rent apartment units he owned in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island, NY. The Department of Justice proved that his company quoted different lease terms and conditions to black rental candidates than it did to white candidates and, further, that the company lied to black applicants about available vacancies. 

        Mr. Trump settled out of court and he stipulated to the court he would stop discriminating against blacks, Puerto Ricans and other minorities. Never the less, just three years later, the Justice Department sued Trump Management Corporation again for failing to keep his sworn pledge to the court. The facts are as unavoidable as they are unsavory. Mr. Trump has a long and infamous history as a redlining Realtor {1}

        This is NOT fiction or personal opinion. These are undisputed details from the public record that reveal Donald Trump is a lifelong racist. Perhaps the conservative media on which you rely did not inform you about the $200,000 fine paid by the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino because of Trump’s policy to discriminate against African-American card dealers. A state appeals court not only upheld the fine but also stated in its final decision, “In our view, the transcript fairly reeks of Trump Plaza's guilt.”{2}

        There are even more facts in the public domain regarding Mr. Trump’s legacy as a racist.

        A former Trump Castle employee relates his own first-hand experience with Mr. Trump’s racism. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Kip Brown recalled in an interview with The New Yorker.  "I remember it: they put us all in the back.” {3}

        Occasionally, we may hear a random claim that some blacks are lazy, but, a racist will insist, irrationally to be sure, that ALL blacks are lazy! Mr. Trump has proven himself to be a bona fide racist and, yet, this is something you and his other supporters continue to deny.   

        He once had this to say about the black financial executive at his Trump Plaza Casino: “And isn't it funny. I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. . . . I think the guy is lazy. And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It's not anything they can control. [Ed: Bold font added for educational purposes.] {4}

        Need more proof? Read the story under this headline in the New York Daily News: “TRUMP HIT WITH RACE SUIT BLACKS: DON DEALT US OUT OF CASINO JOBS.”  {5}

        Now we all know that Donald Trump was graduated from an elite New York Military academy, nearly lost the empire he inherited from his father, and is now President of the United States. Yet, his supporters believe the lie that in all of those years he never heard the name of David Duke, former Grand Wizard of the Klu Klux Klan!

        When asked by CNN if he would disavow the support of David Duke and the KKK, Mr. Trump actually said, "Honestly, I don’t know David Duke. I don’t believe I’ve ever met him. I’m pretty sure I didn’t meet him. And I just don’t know anything about him."

        Again, to be perfectly clear, he said, “Honestly, I don’t know David Duke." Yet, the public record shows that Mr. Trump knows a great deal about David Duke and his status as a white supremacist. As a matter of fact, Mr. Trump issued a public statement in 2000 saying, “the Reform Party now includes a Klansman, Mr. Duke, a neo-Nazi, Mr. (Pat) Buchanan, and a communist, Ms. (Lenora) Fulani. This is not company I wish to keep.” Interesting, isn’t it? In 2016, Mr. Trump claimed he didn’t know anything about David Duke and the KKK! {6}

        There is more but I should stop here. The bottom line: Mr. Trump, despite the irrational and unsupportable denials in your post, is responsible for his racist baggage. These facts are all found in the public record and they stand unchallenged to this day. You are invited to respond with documented evidence that proves these events did not happen or are untrue. I think we would all like to see your sources too.
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        {1} http://www.salon.com/2011/04/28/donald_ … tion_suit/
        {2} http://www.upi.com/Archives/1992/10/19/ … 719467200/
        {3} http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/ … antic-city
        {4} http://articles.philly.com/1991-05-10/n … nald-trump
        {5} http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/mon … e-1.726389
        {6} http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli … /81101906/

        1. jackclee lm profile image82
          jackclee lmposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          So, if 40 percent of voters voted for him, are they all racists?
          How many members of the KKK do you know?
          The number is very small. These fringe hate groups are a small minority and they are shunned by everyone. For the media to prop up the connection between Trump and KKK is just the "bias" the media is known for. When the race card is pulled, it usually means they ran out of ideas.

          Assume you are correct about Trump, then how do you explain his success in Hollywood with a top rated show for last 10 years? The Apprentice...Is Hollywood run by racist sympathizers?
          Remember Paula Deen? And what happened to her?

          1. Quilligrapher profile image88
            Quilligrapherposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Thanks so much for your comments.

            I posted facts showing how President Trump’s reputation as a racist is the result of his own actions and statements. Since you made the claim that this reputation is "totally false," I expected you had more than your own personal political bias to support your claim. 

            Instead, your remarks ignore the uncomfortable reality of President Trump’s history and totally dismiss all of the fully documented events from his past without a comment.

            Obviously, unanswered questions are not reliable, verifiable facts and they certainly do not prove these events did not happen or are untrue. These events did happen. They are true and they debunk the claim that President Trump’s reputation as a racist is "totally false."
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            1. snakeslane profile image81
              snakeslaneposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              Dear Quilligrapher, Sir, Good to see you in action.

        2. wilderness profile image99
          wildernessposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          Careful, Quill.  Being sued does not prove racism, and neither does settling out of court.  Not even being sued a second time does.  In addition, the suits were apparently against a business enterprise, not Donald Trump, which means that someone in that business allegedly performed racist acts (allegedly because it was never proven) and that is far different than convicting President Trump of racist actions.

          Donald Trump may or may not have racist tendencies, but none of the "evidence" you provide shows it.  The closest you come is the (alleged) comment that he dislikes blacks counting his money given without context, time, location or listener.

          1. Quilligrapher profile image88
            Quilligrapherposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Hi there, Wilderness! Nice to see you join in this strand.

            Wow! I posted solid facts and I received two responses containing nothing but irrelevant rationalizations! I pointed to documents compiled by the US Department of Justice that includes, in part, sworn affidavits from Trump employees, rental agents, and building managers describing how Donald Trump consciously and systematically engaged in the real estate practice known as racial redlining. There are also details among the evidence describing how building supervisors were instructed to write a secret code on the rental applications submitted by blacks and other "undesirables."

            So I should be careful? This is not a criminal court nor am I trying a capital offense where the evidence must prove guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt. This is a political forum in which the evidence should be factual, reliable, verifiable, and logically relevant. And, on this last point, Wilderness, your post doesn't even come close!

            Let me begin with the sentences following the warning:
            "Being sued does not prove racism, and neither does settling out of court.  Not even being sued a second time does."

            Even with my deep respect for our long friendship and for your prolific contributions to this platform, I must admit I found this opening salvo totally inane. Obviously lawsuits don't prove racism. It's the underlying evidence from those lawsuits that contributed to Donald Trump's reputation as a racist. Instead of responding to the actual facts in the lawsuits, you ignore them as if they don't even exist.

            Critical thinking demands that the mind recognizes relevant factual data as being more important than political ideology and unsupported personal conclusions. Well developed critical thinking skills would not have led to this additional false statement: "the suits were apparently against a business enterprise, not Donald Trump, which means that someone in that business allegedly performed racist acts."

            Here we see a personal opinion that isn't supported by any facts combining with ignorance of the law to produce two false assertions.  First, the lawsuits brought against Donald Trump allege violations of the Fair Housing Act which requires that employers be responsible for the actions of their subordinates. Secondly, the DOJ lawsuits included explicit reference to Donald Trump, the president of Trump Management.

            By the way, as a sidebar, there is also evidence that Mr. Trump lied about his responsibility for rentals. During a sworn deposition, he was asked: “Do you ever have anything to do with rental decisions in individual cases?” Mr. Trump replied, under oath, “No, I really don’t." However, during an interview with a New York State investigator about his real estate broker license application, Mr. Trump  contradicted his prior sworn testimony by asserting that he supervised and controlled the renting of ALL apartments owned by the Trump organization. {1}

            Then we have this statement,"Donald Trump may or may not have racist tendencies, but none of the 'evidence' you provide shows it."

            Forgive me if I missed something, but your remarks do not address any of the actual (and factual) evidence from the public record. Instead, they try to advance a strawman argument that "Being sued does not prove racism. " It seems your post categorically ignores the substantial volume of evidence produced by the US Department of Justice. It dismisses evidence that led to a sizable fine for discriminatory policies that Donald Trump actually or tacitly approved. It rejects without justification the personal experiences published by a number of Trump associates.

            I can only conclude that you don't seem to know enough about the actual evidence to judge its validity. I think you should analyze the underlying evidence from Trump's public life, in addition to all of the examples listed in my post, before you tell me what the facts do or do not prove. And, let's not forget Pres. Trump said publicly that the Neo-Nazis, Klansmen and white supremacists marching and chanting racist and anti-semetic slogans in Charlottesville included “very fine people."

            I found it interesting to see you use benign general terms when referring to Trump's dislike for blacks:
                "The closest you come is the (alleged)
                comment that he dislikes blacks counting his
                money given without context, time, location or
                listener."

            ... while at the same time you were conveniently ignoring his blatantly racist comments:
                "I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s
                probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in
                    Blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not something
                they can control."
            {2}

            A very convenient omission!

            Well, my friend (and I say that sincerely), until the unsupported rationalizations are replaced with some relevant facts that actually mitigate the numerous racist events in Pres. Trump's past, I will stand by my original claim that the documented evidence found in the public record confirms that Mr. Trump has created his racist baggage with his own words and deeds.
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            {1} http://www.thedailybeast.com/doj-trumps … ked-blacks
            {2} https://www.afro.com/trump-words-laziness-trait-blacks/

            1. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              Hey Quill, it seems Trump supporters are blind to his many faults. Being a racist is simply one of them...

              1. jackclee lm profile image82
                jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Ridiculous, I am not a Trump suporter and I did not vote for him but I will defend him if he is attscked wrongly. Trump is no racist, period. Our country did not elect a racist, after 2 years of primary and 17 member field of debates...and vetting.
                If you believe that, you are bordering on insanity.

                1. Quilligrapher profile image88
                  Quilligrapherposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  Are we to believe that you have medical or academic credentials that qualify you to diagnose insanity?

                  Just 13 months ago, 1000 potential US voters were asked "Do you think Donald Trump is a racist?" Forty-four percent (44%) replied YES! In fact, seven percent (7%) also said that they were Trump supporters. {1}

                  Your post reveals 1) a need to learn a lot more about President Trump's unsavory reputation as a racist and 2) an acute ignorance about mental health.
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                  {1} http://www.suffolk.edu/documents/SUPRC/ … ables.pdf, Table Q27, Page 160.

                  1. jackclee lm profile image82
                    jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    My insanity comment was not meant to be a medical diagnosis. It is a commentary on where some of the people on the left are doing... it was Einstein who said definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome...

            2. wilderness profile image99
              wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              "It's the underlying evidence from those lawsuits that contributed to Donald Trump's reputation as a racist."

              But failed to provide enough evidence for a conviction.  The part you're ignoring.  Although I DO freely admit that you didn't claim racism, but only the perception of racism, which is a completely different thing. 

              "First, the lawsuits brought against Donald Trump allege violations of the Fair Housing Act which requires that employers be responsible for the actions of their subordinates."

              But here again is the lack of any proof.  Just allegations that could not stand the light of a courtroom, for there were no convictions of Donald Trump.

              "I can only conclude that you don't seem to know enough about the actual evidence to judge its validity."

              That's true - I don't.  I'm not particularly interested in discrimination cases that never resulted in a "guilty" verdict and that were, in some cases, decades old. 

              "I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s
                  probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in
                      Blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not something
                  they can control."

              And that statement is the only thing showing racism out of all the "evidence" you presented.  All the rest of it is but allegations that were never proven to be true...according to you.  Keep in mind here that I took exception to the "evidence" being presented; not to Trump being at least somewhat racist.  You presented allegations of wrong doing as evidence of a crime, and continue to do so here.  The statement "It rejects without justification the personal experiences published by a number of Trump associates.", for instance, proves that some people have said bad things about Trump.  It does not say that those things happened; employees and partners have for millenia said bad things about employers and partners.  Some of which have been true and some of which have not.

        3. GA Anderson profile image82
          GA Andersonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Hi Quill, I think you are right, circumstantially, there is a lot of stuff that could paint  Pres. Trump as a racist. But, if one were of a contrary opinion, couldn't it be just as circumstantially stated that what you have presented could also be called inconclusive and speculative?

          The discrimination suits were settled. So beyond the lack of proof of quilt, there is also the possibility that the discriminatory acts were economically motivated, rather than racial superiority being the motivator. Meaning there was no racism involved?

          Couldn't the same be said for your points about the casino fine and the "money counter' statement, that they also have alternate explanations - he didn't/doesn't like blacks, but where is the "they are inferior" aspect?

          Yep, now I run head-on into the worst; "... laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It's not anything they can control." I ain't quite the contortionist needed to get around this one, but... is there any credibility to the thought that it might be a generational thing? Like Jimmy the Greek's, Don Imus', and that famous sports newscaster, Howard Cosell's, statements that are so dumb they are almost too dumb to be intentionally be purposely racist?

          As to the David Duke thing... well... I hope you have noticed that I have avoided Trump praise or criticism threads. I think this one is a better fit to those parameters than the ones about racism.

          Unfortunately, for me, I must once again state that I am neither supporting nor arguing the point of whether or not Pres. Trump is a racist, I am only arguing that the declarations that he is are not as substantial as those making them think they are.

          ps. I would like to see more of your participation in these forums Quill. Your input has been missed. Perhaps if you modified your selection criteria? Hmm...

          GA

  3. Castlepaloma profile image74
    Castlepalomaposted 2 months ago

    1. If not one Non white race predominantly voted for Trump. Do they
    Sense racism from Trump or do you believe Trump has not one rasist bone in this body
    2. If many courts fine him for racism and  he has accomplished world record lawsuite winnings. Is that a clue Trump is a racist.
    3. Many Trumps voting rallies were 95% white and kicked out some black Trump supporters. Could that mean Trump is a racist.
    4. If predominately KKK and white supremacist come out to every Trump speech in record numbers. Could that be somethings Trump says that keeps attracting them.

    Lets face it folks. If Donald acts like a duck, sounds like a duck, he is a sitting duck.

    1. wilderness profile image99
      wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      "Do they Sense racism from Trump or do you believe Trump has not one rasist bone in this body"

      How about other options?  Do they falsely perceive rasism where there isn't any?  Have they listened to too many lies from liberal media?  Do they typically vote the liberal ticket?  I'm sure you can come up with a dozen more reasons not to vote for Trump, Republicans or conservatives. 

      "If many courts fine him for racism"

      Link to even a few courts that found Donald Trump (as opposed to a business he owns or is a stockholder in) guilty of racism?

      "Many Trumps voting rallies were 95% white and kicked out some black Trump supporters.  Could that mean Trump is a racist."

      Hard to understand how the actions of others means Trump is racist.  Could you explain that process a little better?

      "Lets face it folks. If Donald acts like a duck, sounds like a duck, he is a sitting duck."

      And if you draw unwarranted conclusions it means you draw unwarranted conclusions, all while promoting them as a duck.  Nothing, in other words.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image74
        Castlepalomaposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Why are these beauties picking on poor Trump?

        Never seen an America rap sheet of racism and bigoted like Trump in high office. His father was arrested at a KKK riot. Quill had a rap sheet and it gose on and on of many cases. In an over white justice and political system,  how do you get any racism charge to stick. Having a serious mobster background and mobster lawyers can work for you too. Meaning anybody can become a President, if your mean enough.

        I Don't know if racism is as worst than rape. I do know racism is a far more widespread problem.

        Donald Trump has shown himself to be a racist, a misogynist, a homophobe, anti-choice, a denier of climate change and most of all, he has shown himself to be above the law.  Trump said,  Bush was the worst president ever. Well Trump pretty well got the same kind electoral non- democratic votes. Who did not predominantly vote for Trump like gender, race and all other religions. That shows how much bigoted and racist the conservative  party really is.

  4. jackclee lm profile image82
    jackclee lmposted 2 months ago

    I really appreciate your detailed lesson on the Constitution and the role of Senators. However, I have to challenge you on Senator McCain. He campaigned on repealing ACA. Therefore, he lied to get elected. He played the people and voted otherwise. He has cancer and is quite old and most likely will not run again. He single handedly, upset the whole process where in 3 election cycles, American people voted for a Majority GOP house, a majority GOP Senate and the White House and yet could not get the bill repealed as they wished. What does that tell you about this man? He is a disgrace and should be kicked out of the GOP party in shame.

    1. Quilligrapher profile image88
      Quilligrapherposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Hello, Jack.

      When I first read your claim that Senator McCain upset the whole process of repealing the ACA "single handedly," I could not believe my eyes. I began to wonder if you have sources that feed these lies to you or you just make them up as you go along. Senator McCain was always in the company of other widely respected Republicans and he NEVER acted single handedly!

      On July 25, 2017, the following Republican senators voted against the repeal of the  ACA:
      Susan Collins, Me.   
      Lisa Murkowski, Alaska   
      Dean Heller, Nev.   
      Bob Corker, Tenn.   
      Tom Cotton, Ark.   
      Lindsey Graham, S.C.   
      Mike Lee, Utah   
      Jerry Moran, Kan.   
      Rand Paul, Ky.   
      {1}

      On July 26, 2017, the following Republican senators voted against the repeal of the ACA:
      Lamar Alexander, Tenn.
      Shelley Moore Capito, W.Va.
      Susan Collins, Maine
      Dean Heller, Nev.
      John McCain, Ariz.
      Lisa Murkowski, Alaska and
      Rob Portman, Ohio. {2}

      On July 28, 2017, the following Republican senators voted against the "skinny repeal" of the ACA:
      Lisa Murkowski, Alaska
      Susan Collins, Maine and
      John McCain, Ariz.. {3}

      And finally, on September 25, 2017, the following Republican senators announced publicly that they would either vote against the Graham-Cassidy bill or could not accept it as written:
      Susan Collins, Maine
      John McCain, Ariz.
      Rand Paul, Ky
      Ted Cruz, Texas.
      {4}

      So, Jack, I think you need to provide a few factual links that show us how the evil Senator McCain acted single-handedly. roll
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      {1} https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 … acare.html
      {2}
      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07 … epeal.html
      {3} http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sen … 2c4a8bf981
      {4} http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/25/politics/ … index.html

      1. jackclee lm profile image82
        jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        He was the critical vote that allowed the repeal and replace bill to die in the Senate.
        As I recalled, he came back to DC after his cancer diagnosis and voted for moving the debate forward...providing the 50 vote needed and VP Pence broke the tie. Seeming like the hero coming the last minute to save the day... A few days later, when the actual vote came up, he voted against the bill, so the whole thing was a sham. He knew all along he was going to vote it down... that is why I say he is a lliar. I dom't use that word lightly. He lied to his constituents when he was running for re-election to get elected and then voted against the very thing he promised.

        1. Quilligrapher profile image88
          Quilligrapherposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Greetings, Jack. It is good to have a chance to chat with you once again.

          You seem to be ignoring that you posted a false statement in this forum. You claimed that Senator McCain "single handedly, upset the whole process" of repealing Obamacare. Following examples of verifiable evidence that John McCain never acted single-handedly, your next post ignores your failure to provide factual information to demonstrate how Senator McCain acted single-handedly, meaning all alone.

          In fact, the opening sentence of your last post is another false statement: "He was the critical vote that allowed the repeal and replace bill to die in the Senate." How ironic, after making two false statements, you then call Senator McCain a "liar," also without providing any supporting evidence. Perhaps you've never heard the adage "Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof" or perhaps you just choose to ignore it.

          In every one of the most recent repeal failures, Senator McCain's vote was only one vote among many. Any rationale that attempts to make him singularly responsible is delusional. Similar to the GOP's failure to repeal Obamacare, your posts have failed to provide any facts that support the false claims that he was responsible "single-handedly" or that his vote was more critical than all the other critical Republican votes opposed to repeal.

          Finally, it is interesting to note how the justification for calling Senator McCain a "liar" is a claim that you knew in advance what he was going to do. "He knew all along he was going to vote it down... that is why I say he is a lliar." You base your belief that he is a liar on knowledge you did not have. One form of irrational thinking, my friend, is believing something is true even when you can't prove it is true!

          I encourage everyone to test their opinions against facts that exist in the real world. Too often there is a chasm between what we know and what we think we know. Unless you can add facts to support your claims, we will just have to conclude they are falsehoods spawned by an overzealous political imagination.

          I sincerely hope that today and the coming weekend are especially pleasant.
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          1. jackclee lm profile image82
            jackclee lmposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            I stand by my assessment on Senator McCain. The liar charge is in reference to the fact that he campaigned on getting reelected to the Senate on repealing of ACA. You can look it up. There are videos out there. He then voted against the repeal every chance he gets and offered no solutions of his own...
            Where is his bill to repeal ACA?

 
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