My opinion is that Michael Jackson was a kid toucher, bottom line. I loved Jackson's music when I was a kid, but when he started bleaching his skin and wearing shin guards, I realized something wasn't quite right with him.
ADULTS SHOULD NOT SLEEP IN THE SAME BED WITH LITTLE CHILDREN.
Am I the only one who doesn't care that he's dead? I know it may sound callous, but kid touchers deserve to die.
Why do people still care about elvis? why do people still go up in arms over words that there will be a remake to "The Beatles" submarine film? Why? The quick answer to all that is because their music inspired generations upon generations of music fans out there, and in some ways lent themselves to inspire other artists as well. Like Dr. Dre for instance, he claims to this day that one of his main inspirations to get into music was Michael Jackson; which in turn would go on to inspire other artists like Eminem and such. Not saying that I listen to their music or anything, but I'm just stating some random facts and observations.
As far as you saying Michael Jackson was a pedophile, you do have evidence to back this up right? Look, I used to be like you to where I also believed he was a pedophile, and I still did for months after his death. However, after talking to a few of his fans, and doing a bit of research on his life when I was writing my review of "This Is It", I came to realize he was never a pedophile. No, he was just a lonely guy trying to relive a childhood that he never got a chance to live. Think about it. Even when he was a damn kid, he was forced to go out on stage to perform, and as a result, he missed out on much of his childhood. Hell, even Madonna had the exact same damn observation when she was delivering her eulogy speech at the funeral; which was shown in the damn documentary "Justin Bieber: Never Say Never", so that's how I know about this. Not that I'm a Justin Bieber fan or anything, as I think his music sucks, but as an amateur film critic, I often force myself to watch movies that....I don't even want to watch.... Sure, you people can argue saying that judging films online is easy, but whenever people ask me what did I do at work today? And, I have to tell them that I watched and reviewed "Justin Bieber: Never Say Never"...I die a little inside......
Anyway, to get back on topic, I agree with Homegirl completely, as I think Michael Jackson was a lost soul that never grew up inside because he was never allowed to live a normal life like everyone else. At a very early age, Michael Jackson was forced to constantly perform for audiences throughout his whole life, and became one of the biggest stars in the world at one point to where anything and everything he ever did was scrutinized. Would you want to live that kind of life where everything you did was scrutinized?
Look, if you want to think he's a pedophile then that's your business, but where's your proof? The parents of the kids even admitted they lied about Michael Jackson molesting their kids, and it's never been proven in a court of law that what you claim holds any water. None. Therefore, where's your evidence? Where's your proof? All you have is your own biased opinion, and that's it. Look, I'm not saying that Michael Jackson was a saint, as none of us here are, and I'm pretty sure if I were to research every musician in history, then I'm sure over 95 percent of them would have skeletons in their closets. However, it's their music that will always transcend generations, and why they'll always be loved by many. That's just reality.
Would you let your child spend the night in his bed?
First of all, what child do you speak of? I have no children, so that question is kind of irrelevant. secondly, even if I did have kids, I wouldn't let them sleep over at anyone's house unless I knew the person personally. If I didn't know them personally, then I wouldn't allow them to; regardless of who it is. And no, being a celebrity doesn't count as me knowing them personally.
by the way, the same logic I just mentioned would apply to you as well. not saying your a pedophile or there's anything about you that's wrong, but since i don't know you personally, then I wouldn't allow any children that I did have sleep over at your place either. I only bring that up in case you try to use the logic that i used to say why I wouldn't let my kids sleep at michael's house against me.
Wow, this guy is clearly defending Jackson as a way to reassure himself that Jackson's music is good. Either that or he's reassuring himself that he's not a secret pedo. He goes on and on making excuses for why he watched a Justin Bieber doc. Sounds like insecurity over liking little boys to me. Even though Jackson was screwed up by his upbringing, it doesn't justify his behavior. His upbringing didn't control his hands to touch boys or himself when thinking about them. He and his conscience did. His music may have been great, but it doesn't change the fact that he was deeply disturbed and needed to be locked up. Also, if you don't have a kid yourself, you don't have the right to analyze every hypothetical because you don't have the mentality. Having a kid changes a person's entire outlook on life, most of the time. And, if you had a clue, you would know that many of the parents of the victims did know Jackson. He got to know them so he could touch their kids. The parents should have known something was wrong when he began paying them to watch their kids. Isn't it supposed to go the other way monetarily? And, why would a star that big wanna waste his time watching other ppl's kids? The parents of these kids are hugely to blame, but the root of the problem was Jackson himself. He must have had no built in morality if he didn't get help for this or just do the right thing and not molest kids and watch child porn. That's the root of the problem and it will never justify ppl, kids in this case, being victimized to simplify it as the blame rests on the upbringing. Blaming that won't unmolest those kids.
Wow, I have to admit I had completely forgotten about this thread, until you revitalized it again. While I'm not going to bother answering any of your false accusations about me because everything you're accusing me of being, or implying that I am, is complete nonsense anyway, and deserves no real response because it's bulls***. However, I will say this much in my own defense.
The part where I explained why I reviewed "Justin Bieber Never Say Never" was partially written as a joke that was a homage to what the Nostalgia Critic (via youtube or channel awesome) once said in explaining why he was reviewing the care bears movies. However, it was still true though, as I do write tons of film reviews on this site. Anyone who bothers to check out my profile will see that for themselves, as I am something of a professional film critic on this site. While I may not have the clout that Roger Ebert had in his day, or any other big name critic, I still get paid money for writing film reviews, so I am something of a film critic by definition.
Granted, most writers here that write film reviews usually only write about films they like, or movies that usually fit into what they would usually see anyway. However, I try to be above that by reviewing as many as possible, even if that film isn't something that I would've normally watched on my own. That's what a film critic is supposed to do. Write about films that the masses want to read about. And when that documentary came out at the time, Justin Bieber was a huge musical star, so it was only natural i reviewed the film in order to make some money off the clicks it would generate based on his name. Therefore, I fail to see how that puts me in the wrong for writing a review about that particular documentary, as a film critic's job is to try to review movies, even bad ones. Yes, I am aware that I'm far behind on Oscar films this year before you point that out, but sadly writing doesn't pay the bills, so yeah..
Having said all of that, I will say this much about the situation with Michael Jackson. First of all, when I said I thought he was innocent a few years ago, it was based on the evidence of what I was given at the time. At the time, many of the parents came out and admitted they lied about their accusations towards Michael Jackson. However, it wasn't until years later that I found out on the news that the guy did have various magazines and pictures of half naked boys in his house, which I didn't know about until last year I think. Not entirely sure when i found out, but it was sometime after I talked in this thread, so you're a bit late on telling me that. Do I still think Michael Jackson is innocent? No. Not anymore, as I'm starting to think his estate might've bribed those parents to lie about their accusations being fake.
Look, I'm not going to argue with you about whether or not the man was a pedophile or not because he's dead. There's nothing we can do about it now. As for his music? Regardless of what you and I, or anyone else, may think, Michael Jackson will always be one of the most iconic musicians of his generation that transcended music to inspire various artists. that's just an indisputable fact. The results speak for themselves. Granted, I'm NOT saying that in anyway justifies what he did, nor am I saying that the parents are innocent in all of this either.
However, I'm just saying that regardless of what we may think about him, he'll always be a music legend up there with Bob Dylan, Elvis Presley, the Beattles and etc, which is why people will always remember him fondly; whether it's justified or not.
Not saying it makes what Michael Jackson did was right, but I'm just explaining why people will always care about Michael Jackson.
Is it fair? No, but it's life. Hell was it fair when reports came out about Bryan Singer molesting underage boys that everyone dismissed it immediately saying how it was a publicity stunt by some marvel fanboy wanting the rights to x-men to go back to marvel? No, it wasn't.
Is it fair that Roman Polanski raped a 13 year old girl, served no jail time, and he's considered a great Oscar caliber filmmaker to this day? Was it fair when Woody Allen cheated on his wife with his adopted underage daughter, yet nobody seems to give a damn because he makes such great films? Is it fair that Ben Roethlisberger has raped women TWICE, and served no jail time because he's a damn good player? no. The point is life isn't fair, and no it doesn't justify the cruel actions any of those men did.
But as a critic, I can't judge an artist based on their personal life. I can only look at their body of work professionally. That's all I can do because to do otherwise is kind of stupid. Seriously, I think Mel Gibson is an arrogant pompous ass, but I'll be the first one to admit he's a damn good director. Same thing with Michael Jackson.
I'll be the first to admit to you now, after five years, that Michael Jackson was a criminal that should've been locked up for his misdeeds, as I was sorely mistaken about him five years ago. However, I'd be a damned fool if I didn't acknowledge how great of an artist he was as a musician; regardless of what he did in personal life.
And to repeat this because i know some of you will misquote me. No, michael's success in entertainment does NOT justify what he did when he was alive.
Hi Cooldad, pretty much everyone has strong opinions about Michael Jackson. I think a lot of people still remember the little boy in The Jackson Five or the 80s teen idol. He had great songs, he could dance and he inspired a lot of musicians. A lot of people don't want to believe he could do such a thing. I don't know if he did it, I'm not gonna lie, a big part of me believes he did but I was still shocked and numb when he died. Bottom line, people don't want to believe he did it. Personally I blame his father for messing him up.
Superdad, you know I voted for you as President - but I do not agree with you on this one.
Your opinion comes from how you see things, in this instance you see your own fears in others.
I see a guy who spent his considerable money and time on children, who was in large part a child himself. I watched while the press and various public figures shredded his character and reputation, I watched the police harass him and the courts fail him and the children at the centre of it all. I became absolutely certain that none of those people had one inch of the integrity or decency of Jackson. None of them cared about children or the environment or society in the way that Jackson showed through his art.
I believe he was the subject of a sick witch hunt by sick people. Your fear of an adult in bed with a child is your own sickness showing out, your own view of others and says more about you than it does about Jackson. This does not in any way mean that I think you are a paedophile or a bad person in any way - just that there are many people in society that do not conform to your view of society.
His parents, his evironment never let him grow up. He never perceived himself as a grown up man. He felt like a boy and behaved like one. It's quite normal to sleep with your other siblings in one big bed, isn't it? That was his problem. I love his music, he was really talented.I wish people let him alone, he did not desrved all that media circus, all that unhealthy attention, all that "wako-jako" things. I wish he could stand against all that and be what he was - a nice, good-looking,very talented, good-hearted, shy black man.
His fame from before that period is sufficient to cause continued interest regardless.
No matter what anyone thinks of his personal antics, he's still a cultural icon who many people knew and loved through his music. Home Girl has a valid point about his parents not allowing him to be normal. I think that's why he wasn't allowed to be normal, so he created his own version. I also think that no matter what happens, the circumstances of his death need to be clarified.
It amazes me how people talk about celebs as if they really know them . You really know nothing about Michael Jackson but what you heard or read. And yet you sit here and act as if you have the right to judge him or make comments as if you really knew him. And he may or may not have been a 'kid touch-er', you don't REALLY KNOW. Only Michael and whom he may have touched. He is still one of the Greatest Stars in history and nothing will ever change that.
Yes, and no. You can judge a lot about people. About their looks, their pain that shows in their eyes and in their speech. I heard his numerous interviews, I sensed his naivety, childish remarks, his desperation sometimes, I read his autobiographical book he wrote - 'Moonwalk". In some small things I felt like I could relate to him. I know what child abuse is and he was clearly abused by his domineering father. Yes, I don't really know what happened, but I know how easy you can screw up somebody's life by senseless slander and cruel gossip.
You said it best when you said, "You really don't know what happened." In an interview with his father, Michael's dad denied almost everything Michael said about child abuse and being lonely, and not being able to be kid. He said he had his brothers to play with. He was never abused. And so on. I do agree with you that you can tell a lot about a person by what you see, but then again what you see can also be misinterpret. Unless I actually spend some time in person with the man, I will not juge him on what others say or say he does.
@parasmart: notice, i used the word "opinion". It is a fact that he slept with little boys in his bed as he himself stated.
Would you have let your children spend the night with him??
Cooldad, sleeping with kids and touching kids are two different things. Opinion or not. And yes, I would let my child sleep in bed with Michael Jackson, and if my kid said he touched him or tried to touch him I would not let it happen again. But because you have lost your innocence, does not mean that everyone else has. Have you ever noticed that the news makes news by the bad things said about stars not the good things that go unnoticed and unread. So people tend to follow what they hear and it is all negative news. Have a good day.
@parasmart: wow, that's insane. You would actually let your child sleep in the same bed as someone who was accused of child molestation. Do you realize what you just said? Sorry brother, but that's bad parenting 101. If there is even a chance that someone is a child molester, you have to keep your kids away, even if you don't know the truth. I hope you are just saying that to somehow support your opinion that I'm wrong. Your statement makes little sense on many levels.
Let me rephrase my question to you: If your child's friend's father had been accused of molesting boys on multiple occasions, would you let your child spend the night at his house?
I'm not a MJ fan, but I think it's mostly because he produced music that many people loved and he did it for a long period of time. Even though I don't care for his music, to even attempt to deny his popularity, talent, or place in music history would be ridiculous.
I would say his death does play a role in the level of care and attention he gets, but that's the same for a lot of artists.
People are connected with him through his music and will continue to do so.
Also, how he was brought up plays a big role on how he behaved. I agree with @Home Girl.
His upbringing seemed to be terrible, but that's no excuse for a grown man having children sleep in his bed with him. That doesn't make it ok. That would be like saying, well Billy Bob's dad was in the Clan, so that's why he's in the Clan today.
I think that the problem with Michael Jackson was he was not like anyone. The media tried to make his whole life look like a circus because it was very profitable for them. Let's look at the facts. Not the hearsay.
He holds the Guinness world record for the most giving celebrity. He is one of the greatest and most talented artists of our time. He has a rare skin condition called vitiligo which left his entire body with missing pigment. Therefore he had to bleach his skin to make it look even.
I read that the prosecution's case against Michael Jackson was the most expensive in California history. Even with all that money they couldn't prove a thing. He was never found guilty.
Would I let my kids to sleep with Michael Jackson? I know this might sound strange to Americans but bed sharing is thought of as normal in other cultures. Even though bed sharing is common in other cultures, including Asia, Africa, Europe and Central and South America, it is highly controversial in the United States. Just because Michael Jackson did it doesn't make him a criminal. He was cleared of all charges and the kids actually said they made the story all up.
Yes, there was something wrong with Michael Jackson. He was too innocent and behaved like a child because he never had a childhood. Go and listen to Childhood and you will see what is wrong with Michael Jackson. The truth is nobody is perfect but we expect celebrities to be perfect. Yes, he was different and that's what made him a great artist. There was nobody like Michael Jackson and there will never be somebody like Michael Jackson. Even the most beautiful painting, when you look at it closely has flaws, but that doesn't mean it is not a masterpiece.
I think bed sharing is common in other cultures because of poverty. There are plenty of poverty stricken people in America who share beds, but that's children sleeping with parents. When you say "bed sharing", do you mean that children share beds with non-relative adults?
Look, you can't tell me that it is normal for adult men to spend the night in the same bed with children who aren't their own children. There is absolutely no justification for that. There is no defense for that being normal. It's unnatural and it does lend to the possibility that he may have molested children.
This weekend I'm going to invite some of the neighborhood kids over to a sleepover at my house in my bed. I'll let you know how that works out. (obviously I'm not being serious, just trying to make a point.)
Michael never said he slept in the same bed as the sick kids he invited to the ranch, he slept on the floor. He slept in the same bed with his own kids. That's what I am referring to as "bed sharing."
Second the kids who came to Michael's place weren't neighborhood kids, they were mostly sick children. They wanted to sleep in Michael's room because they thought he was cool. Nobody is going to want to sleep in my room or your room.
Regardless, I wouldn't allow my kids to sleep over with any adult. Hey if Michael Jackson did something to those kids and it was proven, I don't think anybody would be defending him. Your accusations that he is a kid toucher are false and not based on any facts.
I think this whole argument is moot anyway. The man is dead, it was never proven he did anything wrong. so just get over it. If people still love Michael Jackson you are never going to convince them otherwise. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion.
The man was talented and it was never proven he did anything wrong. He was not normal due to his abusive childhood. The people who accused him have a history in court for being con artists. Those are the facts.
I am sure Michael's dad was strict and demanding in order to create a popular band from his 5 sons! Not everybody can do that. I am sure he meant well. All our best intentions sometimes give us not what we expected. A child needs love and free play, not a stressful work schedule. He could not handle his popularity properly and became a target for all kinds of scammers. Easy target. I am sure he never molested nobody. Society molested him until they managed to kill him. That's all.
Aside from all else, he was a very talented individual who could transcend to more than one generation. A child star who knew how to grow into a successful adult star. I think he was sensitive and I am not so sure he was evil, just had some arrested development going on for him making it hard to enter adulthood totally. Talent is still talent. So why is there so much good talent NOT getting recognition like they should?
@bobbi: glad to see you on my forum, thanks for commenting. When you can go check out my hub about this and my hub about one of my nursing home experiences.
I don't think he was ever evil. I think he was very confused and reality for him was extremely distorted for many reasons.
Talent is talent. I just become confused when people try to defend him by stating that they would let their own children spend the night with him. That's a crock of B.S.
Love the art, not the artist. Michael Jackson could have been a white supremacist for all I care. He makes good music, and that's all that matters.
I believe that people are innocent until proven guilty, and he was never found guilty by a jury of child molestation.
That said, there is no way I would send my child (I don't have any yet) to spend a night at the Neverland Ranch; I wouldn't need a criminal conviction to exercise use of my own instincts (parents do that every day). He was seriously creepy. Those parents who kept on sending their kids there were either terrible parents, or, more likely, looking to sue him because he had deep pockets and was known to pay people to get them off his back.
He was a brilliant musician, though, and I still like his music. I don't spend much time thinking about him, but I do enjoy his music from time to time.
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