Not finding God by the Scientists is a proof of God’s existence

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   The Creator-God Allah YHWH is only attributive and has no physical existence. When Scientists say they don’t see him in anything; in fact they announce that He exists.

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      Amie Warrenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You are so deluded, it's sad.

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I knew being an Atheist Agnostic Humanist etc you cannot refute this argument so you would hide behind the words such as "delusion" or acts like "derision" and "ridicule". I don't mind it because the argument is valid.
         
         [6:104] Eyes cannot reach Him but He reaches the eyes. And He is the Incomprehensible, the All-Aware.
         
         http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=103
         
         There is no compulsion to believe it; only if you are conviced at heart.
         
         Thanks
         
         I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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            wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            What argument?  You made a statement contrary to any and all rational thought, not an argument.  The same "argument" applies to Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, UFO aliens and the Easter bunny.  It applies to any "thing" or idea that is nonexistent (bear in mind that a claim of nonexistence is never possible to prove as it might exist somewhere in Andromeda or another dimension).
            
            Paar, you really need to devote some serious time and study to the field of logic.

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               paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I know that is the stance Atheists Agnostics Humanists have to prove; and they cannot do it.

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                  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  You cannot, no one can prove a negative. Get a life man, seriously.

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                  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Not believing in fairies is not a belief system of any sort.
                  
                  It simply means one can read, comprehend and think.

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                  skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  It is you who needs to prove, heard of burden of proof ?

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                  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  You seem to be getting quite angry with Atheists, Agnostics and Humanists. Why are you so angry? 

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                     earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Under his previous sock puppet the list was waaay longer!

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      skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      ARGUMENT FROM FALLIBILITY
      
      1. Scientists failed to find proof for god.
      2. I (and my religion) propose that God exists.
      3. Therefore, God exists.

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         A scientis is making a physical experiment.
         
         He is successful in his experiment; he is so jubilant for the successful of the experiment which does not concern the question of existence or no existence of the Creator-God Allah YHWH; nevertheless he announces no god exists.
         
         I respect the scientist not his conclusion
         
         Thanks

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            skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            So the experiments which are related to universe, are not related to religious assumption of god's existence ?
            
            So your ARGUMENT FROM FALLIBILITY + ARGUMENT FROM SMUGNESS Continues.
            
            Plus you're due on your assumption of Creator-God Allah YHWH's existence. Keep the score.

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      Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      LOL! You really must be running out of things to preach about. That's one of the funniest ones, yet.
      
      

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      Shadesbreathposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      LOL, you've made some statements that were completely absurd before, but this is the best one yet.  I'm with the Easter Bunny and Fairy Godmother people up above...  except I want a unicorn!  Now that we know they exist because they haven't been seen, I want to find one and ride it to work.  How cool would that be?

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      thirdmilleniumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Your argument is self-defeating. In fact i am surprised that you should put in such an inane argument.
      So, if I can not see my dead grandfather, he exists!

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         I don't see any brilliant argument if somebody is making a scientific experiment or study and then all of a sudden he says that the Creator-God Allah YHWH does not exist.
         
         It is not related to his experiment; why should one follow such a person blindly?

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            Don Wposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Current scientific knowledge does not allow us to conclude a deity does not exist. But that works both ways. It doesn't allow us to conclude a deity does exist either. The current inability of science to address meta-level questions (the "why?" questions) is just that, an inability to address meta-level questions. That says nothing about those questions, and it certainly doesn't answer any of them.
            
            If the premise is that science has not detected a deity (p), then there are two main possible conclusions, a) a deity exists but the nature of current science and the nature of a deity prevents detection, b) a deity does not exist. There are other possibilities, but these are the main two conclusions that can be drawn. The point is that neither conclusion necessarily follows on from the premise (neither can be determined as having to be true based on the premise) which means arguing (p) therefore (a) is as illogical as arguing (p) therefore (b). So arguments where conclusion (a) or (b) are drawn from premise (p) don't pass the most basic evaluation of logic. In other words, they are illogical.
            
            The most that can be said in relation to the hypothesis that a deity exists (if we're using formal logic as a criteria) is that no current scientific evidence supports or refutes that hypothesis. We cannot say more than that without ourselves being unreasonable.

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               paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               God exists or not; is simply not the job of the Science; they should concentrate on the issues related to their job; and nodody prohibits them from doing their job.

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                  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  God is an infinite number of possibles. Religionists wot u is need to sez somefink to proob it innit.
                  
                  Go!

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      OpinionDuckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      UFOs and aliens must be god because we can't them either

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   Elizabeth2010posted 14 years ago

   It doesn't matter! God exists if they believe or not! He is there, always has been, always will be!
   
   Those who believe in nature or whatever other thing are still using faith! They have faith that God doesn't exist! Blind faith! I chose to have faith that God does exist!
   
   But still, God exists if they believe or not! Someday, all will know the truth!

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      skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      ARGUMENT FROM SMUGNESS
      
      (1) God exists.
      (2) I don't give a crap whether you believe it or not; I have better things to do than to try to convince you morons.
      (3) Therefore, God exists.

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      Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      We already do know the truth about religion.  It is nonsense.

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         We don't mind; it is your own perception; nothing to do with the reality of existence of the Creator-God Allah YHWH. You are respectfully excused.
         
         Thanks

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            skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Tsk. Tsk. Who said existence of existence of the Creator-God Allah YHWH is reality ?
            
            Care to give proof ? Don't panic if it's reality. Bring it ON.
            
            Or you prefer to troll around Hubpages with your polite preaching attacks ?
            
            

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The Sun shines in th Sky; a blind person cannot see it; so just for this Sun won't stop shining.
      
      I agree with you.

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      For sure

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      marty1968posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord!!!!!!

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         Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         But we don't.
         
         And never will.  Another silly Christian fantasy.

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         Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Why would they address him this way?  His name wasn't Jesus at all?  You did know this, didn't you?  LOL!

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         Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Why?

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Sanctimonious third person threats. Yeh that should do it!

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   Jeramiposted 14 years ago

   If there is not a "GOD"  it is not religion.
   
     If there is a "God"  it is Not religion.
   
     Can you prove that statement wrong???

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Please experss yourself fully.

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         Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         God is not religion.
         
           Look at it as a fan club. 
           The Elvis Presley fan club is a group of people that give him praise. They have a perception of who Elvis is.
         
           Elvis is not the fan club.
           He may or may not appreciate them singing his praises!   
           That depends upon their behavior when they leave the privacy of their own homes.
          
           In the same way God is not his fan club.
           He may not even appreciate them singing his praises
           That depends upon their behavior when they leave the privacy of their own homes.  And if he wants to he can show special favor to whomever he chooses.
         
           Religion is not God.  God is praised in religion.
         God may not appreciate them singing his praises  that depends upon their behavior when they leave the privacy of their homes, and if he chooses to, he can show special favor to whomever he pleases.

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   skyfireposted 14 years ago

    

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   Cagsilposted 14 years ago

   The OP is just another continuation of the same worn out argument.
   
   Just because science cannot find an imaginary "god", that means it exists?
   
   That's completely absurd.
   
   The metaphor "god", you continue to manipulate for your own designed belief system, when the actual truth is more than obvious.
   
   Do you know what a metaphor is? It's a word, to describe something else. Go learn something would ya?
   
   In religion- "god" is a metaphor for self mastery. Control of one's own thoughts and actions. Apply the idea you have of an all powerful "god" to your own thoughts and actions, and the world would be a better place.
   
   The imaginary "god", which you speak of, is just that, in your imagination, drummed up by indoctrination to religion.
   
   So please....either start making sense or go away.

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Only because you  cannot refute it.

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         Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         There is nothing to refute and just because you can speak it, doesn't make it irrefutable. You're just playing on words.
         
         Therefore, it makes you nothing more than yet another pretender, lost in a delusional state of mind.

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         Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         On another note- you can take your OP in a different manner.
         
         Some idiots asks a scientist if they have found "god", and they say no. Of course they are going to say no, because "god" is an imaginary idea, and science only deals with reality.
         
         DUH! and DOUBLE DUH!

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         Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Does this mean the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus also exits? And Odin, Neptune, and all of the other ancient Greek and Roman gods cannot be proven to be imaginary by this reasoning!  We are overrun by gods in your scenario!  Ye gods!

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            Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Wait. No Easter Bunny?
            
            That can't be right.

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               Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               You can't prove the Easter Bunny doesn't exist, so it exists!  Wow!  I now understand how religionists look at things!  It is so simple, this means I also have fairy godmother!

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                  wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  And I also have a fairy godmother.  Further, as there is only one fairy godmother we must be related!  I did live in Georgia for a while, but I hate snakes!?!? 

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   I have further to add to the argument of OP.
   
   [6:104] Eyes cannot reach Him but He reaches the eyes. And He is the Incomprehensible, the All-Aware.
   
   http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=103
   
   I see following reasonable argument in the above verse:
   
   Physical senses of the human beings cannot see the Creator-God Allah YHWH; as it is not sensible. If He says that that human senses cannot see Him; so those who only use those senses they must not see Him; their not seeing Him is proof of His existence:
   
   The Jews of the time of Moses wanted to see the Creator-God Allah YHWH with their naked eyes and they asked Moses to ask God to show them His person; this is mentioned in the Bible also but I would give it from Quran:
   
   [2:56] And remember when you said: ‘O Moses, we will by no means believe thee until we see Allah face to face;’ then the thunderbolt overtook you, while you gazed.
   
   http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=55
   
   They cannot see the explosion of an Atom; so how could they the Creator-God Allah YHWH, the source of all energy.

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   I can see all of you in anger; while there is nothing to be angry. I am not forcing anything on you. Please feel free.

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      Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      But you are not saying anything either. Why do you attack with nonsense, and no reason? Are you ill, Usmanali?
      
      Why does it anger you so that scientists have now proven your invisible super being does not exist?
      
      Sorry you are so angry.

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      Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Then your eyes deceive you!  Your answers are merely humorous to those of us who understand how faulty they are!  Truly!

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      Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Angry?
      
      Not at you.  Sure, people like that fool who wanted to burn Qurans, yeah, he makes me angry.  People who kill doctors, yeah, they make me angry.  People who want to turn us into a Christian Nation, yes, those too.
      
      But you?  We are just amusing ourselves teasing you over your silly beliefs.  No anger.

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      Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      So, when I place a ROTFLMAO smiley in a post, you take it as anger? We don't live in Bizzaro world where everything is opposite.

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      skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Anger? islam gives us best quackery from followers like you. Keep trolling.

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   Onusonusposted 14 years ago

   God has a body like a man, he's just smarter than everyone, they can't find him if he doesn't want them too.

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      dutchman1951posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Onusonus???????
      
      What is this Hide and seek? He's around but he hides so you can not find him?
      
      as they say on the pre game show before football on sunday....
      
      "COME-ON MAN!"

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         Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         It's the same as the principle that no unbeliving person will see a miracle. Miracles are not the cause of faith, rather they occur to strengthen the faith of those who already believe.

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            exorterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Miracles can happen to unbelievers, Columbia University in New York ran a study on patients, Half of the group had a number of believers praying for them, the other half did not.  The group that had people praying for them, did way better than the other half. None of the patients knew any thing about the study

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               earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Wonderfully scientific test it was too!
               It simply drew the wrong conclusions!
               
               Ever wondered who would promote such a test?

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               skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I would like to read that paper and its peer reviewal approval. so URL?
               
               Or you made that up with bunch of pseudo scientists blogs?

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               Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Ofcourse miracles can happen to unbelievers, I'm saying that they do not recognize the fact that what happened is a miracle, hence they will never see a miracle unless they are converted.

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Quran never claimed that the Creator -God Allah YHWH is a spirit or He has a physical/material body; all spirits or physical/material bodies are his creation.He himsel says that one cannot perceive Him with physical senses. It is for this that when a Physicist says that during his research in his subject, he has not found the Creator -God Allah YHWH that confirms that God exists.

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    pisean282311posted 14 years ago

    scientist cannot find ghost too..so as per your argument ghost too are real?..

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    It might be the Atheists who belive in ghosts.
    
    The discussion if about the Creator- God Allah YHWH. Please don't follow the Scientists blindly out of their field of specialization; out of their field they are just lay men.

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       pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       never knew saudi arabia is atheist but it is only country in the world whose court ordered jinnie to appear before court ...
       
       I agree that scientist are laymen as far as human nature goes..humans can believe in anything which cannot be seen but find hard to believe in things which it can seen...strange but true..
       
       ironically people use science in daily life but dont say thank you to actual servers of humanity...

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    J.R. Smithposted 14 years ago

    God is very clear as to where he is. You can't get there from here. Ghosts imply that there would be another destination,post-death. If you actually read the bible, you could find many,many factual answers. It doesn't seem fair to reject something with no research.

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    J.R. Smithposted 14 years ago

    ha! nice! should we also include time,or air, or anything that we can't see?

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       How about a psychotic invisible sky fairy in the mix?

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    J.R. Smithposted 14 years ago

    Some people worship a cow. The scary thing is the sky fairy isn't the worst idea out there.

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       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       It's gotta be well up there though.
       I don't know if the cow is supposed to have wiped out all but a handful of mankind in a fit of psychotic rage at it's own creation!

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    J.R. Smithposted 14 years ago

    Not sure how cow worship came about,actually. They are delicious,though.
    A lot of that rage was aimed at exterminating "nephilim", a breed of hybrid half-humans,half fallen angels.Most people have never heard that. It's right in the biblical texts,but most christians know very little about their own bible,sans quoting a memorized verse from time to time. Pretty wild stuff.

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    I remember this bit.
    
    Very well," he said, "I will let you bake your bread over cow manure instead of human excrement."
    
    Tough times!

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    J.R. Smithposted 14 years ago

    crazy to believe you could"prove" God with a sophmoric study on prayer. Someone got paid for this kind of research?Even if the payment was in grades,they were over-paid.

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    I don't see any brilliant argument if somebody is making a scientific experiment or study and then all of a sudden he announces that the Creator-God Allah YHWH does not exist.

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       pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I understand...actually no one can come up with brilliant argument to counter belief system...it is not about truth or false..it is about brain and how it perceives things...even if entire science comes up with tangible proof that there is no god,still it cannot convince people...but if someone comes up with something like he has seen god people are more likely to belief him...strange..but just see what ever religion..it is one man show who claims he sees something ..

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       Rishy Richposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       There has been no brilliant argument from Muhammad nor Mirza that God exists. Theres a thing called Burden of proof. If you believe something & if u hold a hypothesis, then proving that ur believe is right is completely ur responsibility. The other way round is ridiculous & Impossible.
       
       Anyone can come up with any ridiculous believe like Spiderman is the creator of all spiders or Godzilla is the creator of all life. Scientists wont be able to proof any of that but that doesnt mean Spiderman or Godzilla really exists.
       
       So far science & logic has found no evidence of God. And each & every day, it is finding contrary evidence to the concept God. A single notion of evolution is good enough to proof that all religions are man-made but people like you still believe in some 2000 year old book told by an uneducated arab. Its not the fault of science, they have already given plenty of clues that religions are nonsense. What can they do if u prefer to keep your eyes closed & brain dead?

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          paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          
          
          It is in fact not the field of science; it is very unscientific of them to induldge in morals,spirituals and religion.They should remain in the field of science; we respect them; if they come out of that, then they themselves earn disrespect, not anybody's fault.

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             pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

             @paar science has larger domain than you think it does...

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             Rishy Richposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Theres no scientific subject called anti Christianity or anti Islam or anti religion. They dont study to prove that God doesnt exist or religion is fake. Its the scientific results & revelations that has many by products which eventually prove that many of our previously held believes are false & wrong. For example, the scientists tried to find out how the solar system works & they eventually learned that the Sun with all other planets rotate in certain pace. The result of this study proved that theres no God called Apollo who brings the Sun in his Chariot. The intention was not to prove Greek religion false but it became clear as a by product. The scientists are researching in their field & eventually they are making discoveries which is going against your believe & faith. Its again ur fault to have such irrational believes, pls dont blame them for ur mistakes.

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                paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                
                
                I don't blame them; I blame their eulogizers who blow trumpets unnecessarly that science proves "there is no God"; science has got nothing to do with the existence of God; it relates to Religion and must be left to religion. As simple as that; science has no valid hegemony on Religion. I wonder those who favour separation of church from state; they become narrow minded and want the supremacy of science over religion. It is their contradiction.There is no contradiction in Religion- Word of God, and the science-Work of God; both from the same source of the Creator-God Allah YHWH.

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                   Rishy Richposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   No. Wrong again. Science has a lot to do with the existence of God if there exists one. Science understands the laws of nature more than any religion on earth. Science understands the understanding of mankind more than any religion on earth. Science is much more older than any religion on this world. Science was there when there was no monotheism & science will be there when there wont be any Islam...And yeah it is going to happen!! Unlike RELIGION, SCIENCE is not MAN MADE, SCIENCE is the UNIVERSE. From human psychology to evolution, science has been on every part of our knowledge. If there is any field on earth which can prove whether the concept of God is true or false, it would be science...NOT RELIGION!

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                      Rishy Richposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      And unlike religion...SCIENCE has no boundaries!

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                         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         And who set boundries for Religion?

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                            Rishy Richposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                            Religion itself.

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    J.R. Smithposted 14 years ago

    Lately science and theology have been merging. There are more God-fearing scientists than ever before. Try Chuck Missler .

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       Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       No - there is not, TK Sensei.

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          earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          That's where tk got to!

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    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Chuck Missler?
    
    Can't you guys offer up someone who is not a born and bred religionist?
    
    Every single scientist religionist ever offered here as an example in the last 2 years has been a religious fanatic with a track record as a nutter.

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    ralwusposted 14 years ago

    assbolutly ridiculuss thread!

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