Love in the sinner hate the sin. Are you defined by your sin?

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   spiderpamposted 15 years ago

   Hello,
   I believe that all sin occurs when we give into temptation. Every sin is a choice and we make your own choices
   For example: I have stolen, lied, had permartial sex and I have a temper. All my sin started as temptation(ie seeing an outfit I wanted but didn't need, Wanting to make a better impression or make myself look good, or just wanting to be love and thinking sex was the only way to feel loved) and when I gave in I sinned. This goes for everything sin including homosexuality.
   ALL sins are eqaul, but I think what causes so much debate and anger regarding sin especially homosexuality is we as the world have blurred the line so much that anything goes. I know stealing is wrong and a sin, but I don't go around an say I was born a thief, born a liar. I wasn't born that way and I have been able to stop those sinful ways. By choosing to forsake sin and live my life accoring to God's word.  Are we born killers, rapist, thief, liars, greedy and/or people love material things more than everything else or do we have circumstance that lead us into temptation then we choose or not choose to give in. That's does not mean I'm not tempted, I just refused to give in to those temptations. And it seems in order to justify ourselves we seem to devalued ourselves so we are lower than animals ie " Dogs do it", "I just can't control myself." or "My phyiscal or instant pleaseure beats all" Think about it.(A) Are you defined by your sin or are you (B)A Child of God who has sinned, and have been forgiven. I chose to be option B
   God loves us, regardless of how far you may have gone astray into sin.  He has made all of us in his image and likeness (Genesis 1:26-27), and has a special plan for your life.  He offers forgiveness to you if you will forsake your sin, trust in Jesus Christ, and follow him.  Jesus paid the penalty for your sin (death) so that you can have peace with God.  When you turn away from your sin, God welcomes you back with open arms, just as the father welcomed the wayward son home (Luke 15:11-32).
   PS It's Never too late until it's too late.
   
   For more info
   http://www.gotquestions.org/victory-over-sin.html
   
   http://www.the-highway.com/lovesinner_Gerstner.html
   
   http://www.porn-free.org/homosexual_God.htm
   
   http://www.believethegospel.com/
   
   Much Love

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      earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      You keep quoting from one book of hundreds that were all written by sexist men who worshiped a hateful entity who had childish fears and then punished mankind for them. You have no proof for anything that you say other than one of these books which tells you that women are nothing and that if you don't believe you die. How can you believe this tripe.

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         spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         You made your choice in this life, I choose this path I wish you all the best.

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            Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            spiderpam -
            
            I am interested in your thought process here.
            
            You have had a number of people tell you that your words are offensive and almost certain to drive people away from your religion (I must admit it is people like you that persuaded me your religion is garbage) yet you continue - saying they are not your words - you are just spreading the lord's love. There have even been a few religious people tell you much the same thing.
            
            Why are you continuing to do that in the face of being told that you are upsetting others?

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               spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               All unrenpentant sinners and non-believers will take offense to the word on God because it directly contradicts the life that want and have chosen to live. John 15 v18-27
               As for the why you already know why but here it is again
               Mark 16:15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned."
               Much Love to ya

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                  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  No thanks - you can keep your love.
                  
                  Odd meaning of the word love.
                  
                  Seems like hatred and bigotry to me.

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                     spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     That doesn't surprise me.

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                        Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        What? That I reject your "love"?
                        
                        Because it feels like judgmental bigotry.
                        
                        And I notice you did not answer my question. Numerous people have become offended at the "love" you are sharing.
                        
                        Do you even have an opinion of your own? Just because you have been a bad girl and have now magically forgiven yourself for being a liar, a thief and whatever else you feel it is OK to have done - but not being a homosexual.
                        
                        You are judging people every time you tell them that being homosexual is a sin.
                        
                        I pity you, but I also thank you. More proof that the christian religion is garbage.
                        
                        So - thank you for reminding me.
                        
                        Good luck with not judging anyone............

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                           Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           Isn't judging a sin?

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                              Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                              She is not judging. She is just spreading god's love.

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                           spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           The World Hates the Disciples
                           18"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20Remember the words I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.'[a] If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. 21They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me. 22If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin. Now, however, they have no excuse for their sin. 23He who hates me hates my Father as well. 24If I had not done among them what no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. But now they have seen these miracles, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. 25But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: 'They hated me without reason.'[b]
                           26"When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me. 27And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.
                           
                           "All this I have told you so that you will not go astray. 2They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God. 3They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me. 4I have told you this, so that when the time comes you will remember that I warned you. I did not tell you this at first because I was with you.

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                              Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                              I have no doubt actually.
                              
                              I am absolutely certain your are a judgmental bigot intent on causing harm.
                              
                              And I am not going anywhere. Blaming your particular bigotry on an invisible magical super being does not cut it with me.
                              
                              You lie, steal and adulterate - then tell everyone else they are sinners for being homosexual. 
                              
                              Good luck with spreading the love

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                                 spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                 I have stated my faith and my beliefs! I asked a question! There is little else to say other than if you would like to learn more about my faith, our God and Jesus Christ I am happy to tell all that I have experienced and understand.
                                 
                                 "Without faith, hope and trust, there is no promise for the future, and without a promising future, life has no direction, no meaning and no justification.” Adlin Sinclair.

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                                    Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                    I know you have stated your beliefs. Your belief is that homosexuality is a sin and people should turn away from that sin.
                                    
                                    Why do you have a belief as to what others should do with their lives?
                                    
                                    I have no interest in learning more about your faith. Your faith is a pathetic attempt to justify yourself by attacking others.
                                    
                                    There is no such thing as your judgmental god and jesus christ is a make-believe political figure.
                                    
                                    Thank you for reminding me once again why I have no interest in your religion and for convincing me that there is no such thing as god.
                                    
                                    Sincerely. I appreciate the reminder occasionally.

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                                       spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                       “To move ahead you need to believe in yourself...have conviction in your beliefs and the confidence to execute those beliefs.”
                                         Adlin Sinclair

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                                          Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                          I do. But what if my belief involves pressuring others to believe as I do?
                                          
                                          For example - telling people that homosexuality is a sin punishable by my imaginary invisible super being........
                                          
                                          And oh - that is just my opinion - I am not judging you - that is what it says in this book I read. 
                                          
                                          No matter how often you add the disclaimer "much love" it still sounds the same.

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                                             spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                                             Mark I have no ill-will to you or anyone, we just disargree.
                                             Love

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   Paragliderposted 15 years ago

   Please stop trying to speak for all of us. I am not a sinner. Of course I do wrong things. We all do. But sin implies an offended God. I don't need either concept.

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      spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I'm speaking mainly for myself, but Romans 3:23 states "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"
      
      That's why Jesus died for all of our sins.

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   Mark Knowlesposted 15 years ago

   I just want to know what permarital sex is. This must be some perversion that I missed out on in my youth and I feel kind of bad I missed it.
   
   Guilty even

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      Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Me, too

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         Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         You missed out too huh? For all I know - it is a life changing experience and I missed it. Maybe we should ask gamergirl - she knows about these things

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   Mishaposted 15 years ago

   I think it's a good idea, she definitely knows her stuff

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   gamergirlposted 15 years ago

   One of my spiritual teachers told me after questioning me about a concept that there is a difference between parroting what I have read because I have absorbed the words, and speaking from understanding of my reading's deeper meaning.
   
   Spiderpam - please stop parroting to us.

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      spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Please understand if you believe you've got it all figured out this is not for you. I do wish you all the best on the path of life you've chosen, but please allow everyone do the same I'm simply offering my POV just as you do.

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   gamergirlposted 15 years ago

   Again you speak without understanding what is said to you.
   
   Speak all you like - however, I for one would like to know YOUR views, not the snippets of the Bible that you feel apply, but in your own words, from your own understanding, without the need for the copying of words from any other source.
   
   When you can support your views not with Bible quotes or links to your cause-friendly websites, but your own words, then you may receive a bit more in-depth a response from the Hubpages populace.  As it sits, all you've received so far are questions which you have neglected to answer, and joking which you have (for obvious reasons) bypassed completely.

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      spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe you should read my topic post again, The post is my testimony from my own life and how through Christ I'm forgivgen. I do wish you all the best.

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   Colebabieposted 15 years ago

   I don't feel bad about my sins. I can't really change how I feel. I guess I feel that they shouldn't really be sins? And the choices I make in my life shouldn't be considered equal to the horrific acts that are committed? I feel like I am defined by the good things I do in this world because my "sins" aren't really bad. I hope I will be known as the girl who helped others and made the world a better place, not the girl who had premarital sex, or wasn't baptized, or who curses occasionally, or has played quite a few hands of poker, or any of the other "sins" I have committed.

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   Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago

   No matter what sins I have committed or not committed. It is not up to you to judge...

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      spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I am not judging you or anyone else, I'm sorry you can't see the difference, but I wish you well.

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   Colebabieposted 15 years ago

   You made me laugh. Thanks Mark

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    Colebabieposted 15 years ago

    I think if I didn't sin I wouldn't be happy. I know that sounds bad. But I would be sexually frustrated and not a happy camper. On top of other things. I can't feel bad for things that make me happy. Don't judge me

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       spiderpamposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       If you feel judged it is not by my words you feel that way it is your own conviction.

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    Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago

    No one has said they hate you...

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    Colebabieposted 15 years ago

    Your question was "Love in the sinner hate the sin. Are you defined by your sin?" I answered that I believe I will not be "defined" or known by my "sins" but rather the good things I have and will do in my life to make the world a better place and improve the lives of others. You stated "There is little else to say other than if you would like to learn more about my faith, our God and Jesus christ I am happy to tell all that I have experienced and understand. " Realize that while you may believe in God and Jesus Christ, others may not, so it is not "our" God but your God and those who believe. It is one thing to ask a question and then explain what you have learned in your life, it is another thing to attempt to persuade others by quoting the bible and and using it's words to convince others what you believe.
    
    "Without faith, hope and trust, there is no promise for the future, and without a promising future, life has no direction, no meaning and no justification.” Adlin Sinclair.
    
    Well I have faith that the heart of life is good, I hope that I will be able to make the world a better place while I am here, and I trust that as long as I am a good person and am happy, I am serving my life's purpose. I know I have a future, direction, meaning, and justification in life and for life.

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    Colebabieposted 15 years ago

    That quote has nothing to do with religion in my opinion. I'm pretty sure Mark does believe in himself.

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    Mishaposted 15 years ago

    I thought you beleive in FSM

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       earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Don't you believe in him?
       FSM has a rep right here on earth, sorta like the pope and if you do not believe in him, as a disciple myself I will put a horsepower limit on your car and restrict your steering geometry!

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