What is "duplicate"?

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   Nsiriusposted 12 years ago

   What is  "duplicate" .
   
   Since I started to publish a few so called Hubs I had only headaches. Almost all of them are singled out as "DUPLICATE".
   
   The truth is that a part of my work has been on the Internet for more than 18 years now. With few exceptions almost all that work was published in book format.
   
   Now, poetry is poetry. You have a book published and then can have some poems (from it) published in a magazine. Anywhere in the world this is accepted.
   
   One of the hubs I published is called A Secret of the Oracle of Delphi. This was published in Dava International in 2003. The magazine ceased in 2009.
   
   This is part of a research on comparative religion and anthropology which I began in 1998 and only now I could finish it, and I prepare the work for publication.
   
   I asked the HubTeams many times to tell me where this work is published if they say that it is a duplicate. But they don't answer.
   
   Should they behave this way?
   
   What they take care of is just to tell people not to Spam them. Bad behavior is a Spam as well.
   
   Nicolae Sirius

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      wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      "Duplicate" means exactly what it says; somewhere on the net is a very close copy of what you have published.
      
      I find that a good way to find these is to copy a section of text and then search for it on google.  Doing that with your hub "Death of Europe" quickly finds at least four versions, including the hub itself. 
      
      With four copies already published, HP robots will eventually find them, tag the hub as duplicate (which it certainly is) and unpublish it.  HP requires only original and unique content.  While thieves often steal the work and re-publish it, HP understands and accommodates  that, but when you yourself publish the same work multiple times they do not.

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         Nsiriusposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         @wilderness:
         
         Sure there might be similarities between a poem published here as a Hub and another poem out there on the Internet. You gave as an example my poem the Death of Europe, saying that there are "at least four versions, including the hub itself" (on the Internet). 
         This is a delicate matter to debate. And here is why:
         If  10 people are asked to make a line/verse from 10 words. Each in part would come up with a different verse. A human can make the difference in relation to the subtlety or the meaning of the verse. A robot will simply indicate that  each of the 10 verses is a duplicate.
         
         However, there is another aspect concerning the same matter. And here I made a mistake. I published the Death of Europe as soon as I opened an account on HubPages without knowing much of the rules of this Website.  Death of Europe was written in 1986. Published in the book of poetry The White Century, which was offered for literary research by Dr. Walter Toneto of Waseda University. He introduced this and other poems of my book of poetry to his students. And that was in 1993.
         
         So, I know what duplicate means but I did not know why my work was taken as a duplicate. And that is what I asked HubPages Team.

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   psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago

   Duplicate means a big chunk of the hub is out there on the open internet already.  Hubs have to be new content.

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      Nsiriusposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      psycheskinner:
      
      Thank you.

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   Rebecca E.posted 12 years ago

   no, it is found in about more than 4 places, I simply put your either poem on to google and it came up with several sites which have it-- two of them written BEFORE your hub-- therefore it is duplicate.

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      Nsiriusposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      @Rebecca E.
      
      I just maintained that Death of Europe was written in 1986. Published in the collection of poetry The White Century in 1993. It is on many sites on the internet. I wrote to many of them and only one owner of a Website answered to me. It  is not only my work that is abusively used.

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         Rebecca E.posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         that much is true, however, in teh general scheme of things on teh Internet, you were not teh first to publish it, and that is where the problem is.
         
         For example, if I published something in 1994, but not ont eh internet and someone comes and publishes it as a review, and then I publish it on hubpages, it is still considered a duplicate since anyone anywhere can buy this book and also can find it on the internet.
         We had problems with this a while back with peoepl who publsihed work from their blogs ect here-- it is still duplicate content.

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            Nsiriusposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Rebecca E.
            
            I will give you a good example in relation to this.
            A chapter from my book The Unknown Nature of Man, in the process of editing, was published on a Website at World Press. That site was a "gift" for three months.
            I have posted there a few things and one day I remembered that I have that site and it was free for only three months. So I had to decide to either keep it or delete it.
            It might be that the time was over, as I tried to find that site but I could not. As I did not publish that work anywhere else I posted here on HubPages. Though as soon as I posted it it showed that is a duplicate. I tried to find on the Internet my work and found it posted at HPUB (Haffington Post Union of Blogger).
            Well, there was something that made me think over. As anything related to my work indicated that I posted that work there. As in that work I have a few drawings, pictures, etc, but they were missing on the website at HPUB I wrote to them and asked them to take them down. They asked me why I would like my work to be taken down and I explained to them. They promised me that they would do it. Time passed but they didn't. I wrote to them a few more times... But the things did not change. One day I found a way to publish on their site and wrote the story I told them before. Then, yes, in a few minutes my work was taken down.
            
            So, it is good to have work published on the Internet. But it is hard to keep a track for anything else it might happen to your work while published.

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   psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago

   If *all* of the other copies are plagiarized it would be worth notifying Hubstaff and sending those sites DMCA notices. They might make an exception for that.

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      Nsiriusposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      @psycheskinner
      No, it is something else. The poems from my book of poetry The White Century- which are hold on a Romanian official site-, are published on many other sites in different countries. The owners of these sites are, apparently, lovers of poetry. The point is that you will find on these sites only writing from the best writers from the ex-communist countries.  99% of them are not alive. In the ex-communist countries the matter of copyright is not something like in the western countries. So, some take advantage of this. They make money from advertising... But using our work.
         
      Anyway, steep by step, I will take my work down from HubPages. I did not do this as soon as they signaled that my work is a duplicate because it was not clear to me what they meant.

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      Rebecca E.posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      psychekskinner-- or it is found on his own website-- which is located on his profile page

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         psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Well, the I guess is just isn't unique content as required by Hubpages. But as it is clearly a popular poem you could write an essay about it, why you wrote t etc so most of the hub is new.

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            Rebecca E.posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            exactly, but OP hasn't which is probably the biggest problem to begin with-- they are good decent poems, but they are also duplicate.

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               Nsiriusposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Thank you Wilderness, Rebecca E. and psycheskinner for providing some answers to my question   "What is duplicate"?
               
               
               If HubPages looks for things that are unique, then they should from the start make this known to anyone who wants to open an account with them.
               
               As soon as you open an account you are invited to "Publish your first Hub".  So, I did.
               
               The first thing I posted here was the Death of Europe.  Soon, the poem/Hub was underlined as "duplicate".
               
               To prove that this is not the case I posted the book of poetry The White Century, in which Death of Europe was published in 1993.
               
               I wrote to HubPages Team during the first two weeks at least four times to explain that the poem is mine and I provided the URL of my Website and the URL of an official site where my work was posted.
               But instead to answer they closed my access to comments.
               
               I had then a look at those 3-4 km of rules written by HubPages and I understood what they want to. Then I wrote "Originality or plagiarism?" Sorry, but no writer is interested in plagiarizing. That goes for amateurs. 
               
               Business, yes, but professionalism here... well, let me be wrong.

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                  Rebecca E.posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  it's very hard sometimes, and you have great writing, you can still keep teh poems, up just simply add about an essay or so of explaination.  It's all leg work. 
                  
                  I've got the dreaded Duplicate before and had to add a lot to keep my work here, and delete a post there.... it's fustrating I know!

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                     Nsiriusposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Thank you very much Rebecca E. I will take into account your suggestion. At the same time thanks for your kind words in regard to my work.
                     I am not a difficult person but at times the circumstances are such that...
                     
                     Anyway, it is good that now at least the matter of "duplicate" became more clear to me.

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