Demons and Christians

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   Leaderofmanyposted 11 years ago

   Can a Christian become demonized?

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      Disappearingheadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      No because demons originate in the Zoroastrian religion; assimilated into Jewish culture during the exile; became part of the general superstition by Jesus' time, before being enhanced and upgraded by the Church. I think that in Southern Baptist and Penticostal Church's, they are running with Demon 4.3.7 with a year on year Platinum support package.
      
      Seriously, no. They don't exist in the OT so they don't exist at all.

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         SirDentposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Mat_10:8  Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
         
         Mat_12:27  And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
         
         Mat_12:28  But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
         
         Mar_16:17  And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
         
         Luk_13:32  And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.
         
         All are written in red.

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            Disappearingheadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Which is easier to say, son your sins are forgiven or pick up your bed and walk?
            
            This man believed his sickness was the result of sin, so before he could believe for healing he needed to believe he was forgiven. Similarly if someone believed their mental disorder was the result of a demon, they needed to believe they were delivered first.
            
            Jesus said that he could do few miracles in Nazareth because of their unbelief. Now imagine he said demons weren't real to a superstitious society; they would have said this man can't heal he doesn't even believe in demons!
            
            The only scripture available at the time was the OT. The OT doesn't mention demons, thus anyone who believed in demons held unbiblical beliefs.

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               SirDentposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Jesus did not mince His words.  He spoke truth always.  Mar 5:8  For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
               
               The man who was healed of the palsy did not question Jesus authority but the pharisees were the ones who questioned it.

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                  Disappearingheadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  He said this for the sake of the crowds who believed demons were real. If someone has been told all their life by a superstitious society that they have a demon, and there is no alternative explanation for a mental or physical sickness, they the afflicted person will believe they have a demon, and we should not be surprised if they behave in a manner expected of demon possession. The reason the Church believes in demons today is due to all the preachers who keep talking bout them.

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               ShalahChayilJOYposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Deut. 18: 10
               
               "They shall no more offer their sacrifices to demons, after whom they have played the harlot. This shall be a statute forever for them throughout their generations." ' Leviticus 17: 7
               
               Acts 16: 16  And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:
               
               Numbers 22:7; 23: 23
               
               2 Kings 17:17  And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.
               
               2 kings 21: 6 And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times , and used enchantments5172 , and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the LORD, to provoke [him] to anger .
               
               Jeremiah 14: 14
               Ezekiel Chapters 12, 13, 21
               
               YHVH warned the people about worshiping idols, demons or sacrificing to them.
               
               All through scripture God tells them fear not. Then it is written, "He [God] has not given us a spirit [demon-tormenting spirit] of fear, but of power, of love and of a sound mind.
               
               There are lying spirits or demons
               There are spirits of lust, greed, jealousy, oh and pride
               
               Daniel 5: 20  "But when his heart was lifted up, and his spirit was hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him.
               
               Though attributes of the carnal mind, they are also spirits or demons that torment. When one continues to give oneself over to the attributes it gives place to a spirit---that then becomes the person's master.
               
               "Or how can one enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house." Matt. 12:29 Mark 3: 27
               
               We are given all of this information to resist falling into the snare of evil spirits. And if already influenced [or strongly influenced] by them, to be able to be freed.

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                  Disappearingheadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Deut 18:10
                  Deuteronomy 18:10
                  Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
                  10 there is not found in thee one causing his son and his daughter to pass over into fire, a user of divinations, an observer of clouds, and an enchanter, and a sorcerer,
                  
                  No demons here
                  
                  Leviticus 17:7
                  Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
                  7 and they sacrifice not any more their sacrifices to goats after which they are going a-whoring; a statute age-during is this to them, to their generations.
                  
                  No demons here.
                  
                  
                  Numbers 22:7
                  Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
                  7 And the elders of Moab and the elders of Midian go, and divinations in their hand, and they come in unto Balaam, and speak unto him the words of Balak,
                  
                  No demons here.
                  
                  
                  Numbers 23:23
                  Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
                  23 For no enchantment [is] against Jacob, Nor divination against Israel, At the time it is said of Jacob and Israel, What hath God wrought!
                  
                  No demons here.
                  
                  
                  2 Kings 17:17
                  Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
                  17 and cause their sons and their daughters to pass over through fire, and divine divinations, and use enchantments, and sell themselves to do the evil thing in the eyes of Jehovah, to provoke Him;
                  
                  No demons here.
                  
                  
                  2 Kings 21:6
                  Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
                  6 and he hath caused his son to pass through fire, and observed clouds, and used enchantment, and dealt with a familiar spirit and wizards; he hath multiplied to do the evil thing in the eyes of Jehovah -- to provoke to anger.
                  
                  No demons here.
                  
                  
                  Jeremiah 14:14
                  Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
                  14 And Jehovah saith unto me: Falsehood the prophets are prophesying in My name, I did not send them, nor command them, Nor have I spoken unto them: A false vision, and divination, and vanity, And the deceit of their own heart, they are prophesying to you.
                  
                  No demons here.
                  
                  Ezekiel 12 A prince is mentioned but he is a man because God brings him to Babylon to die. There's a bit of divination but no spirits or demons here.
                  
                  Ezekiel 23 More divination but no spirits or demons
                  
                  Ezekiel 21 More divination but no spirits or demons
                  
                  
                  Daniel 5:20
                  Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
                  20 and when his heart was high, and his spirit was strong to act proudly, he hath been caused to come down from the throne of his kingdom, and his glory they have caused to pass away from him,
                  
                  No demons here.
                  
                  So in summary, the OT contains no demons. Divination does not demons make. Fortune tellers today believe they can tell the future by divination, but there is no evidence here of any demons either. Just because divination is practiced, it does not mean there is anything real behind it. The human mind is great at perceiving things that are not by preconditioning/assumption/superstition/and putting 2 and 2 together to make 5. Under test conditions people are unable to bend spoons, remote view, or find water using two wire coat hangers. False religions are false because tere is nothing real behind them.
                  
                  You say there are spirits of lust greed jealousy and pride, please provide evidence. Lust greed jealousy and pride are human emotions, and nothing more.

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            jacharlessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            "devils" are not "demons". This a gross mistranslation issue that gave way to increased pagan pragmatics during the 14th century or Dark Ages in Europe.
            No "devil//demon" as used regarding "fallen angels" or "evil spirits" has ever or will ever exist.

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      Castlepalomaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You need to believe in Religious demons to be Demonized.

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      ShalahChayilJOYposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Define what you mean by demonized exactly, please.

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         Castlepalomaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I have no definition of what a demon is, other than a negative imaginary thought. You first need to believe demon exist in which Religion have make up demon to put fear into most of it's member. I have no need of fear , fearless people do no waste their time on low energy false sources.

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   Druid Dudeposted 11 years ago

   They aren't Old Testament (written in black) The general modern definition leaves a clear answer improbable. Some say that Michael Jackson was demonized in the press, which suggests accusations aagainst him were fabricated to make him look bad. I don't think that's the definition which you seek. In support of what you say, when Cain killed Abel, God didn't say 'Satan, or a demon has caused you to do this!' instead, it is written 'What have you done?' I agree demons don't occur in the O.T. If someone sins, God blames them. Satan, the Devil, Lucifer is purely a tempter, not able to invade.

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      Robertr04posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The Book speaks of mediums and spiritists, those that try and contact the dead.  Lev.17:7, 19:31, 20:6; Isa.8:19,20 all speak of this. For the  believer the word of Yahusha should be sufficient. Astrology is considered trangression also.

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      Castlepalomaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Atheist or I can not be demonized because you need to be either mind brainwashed or be reprogram in order to be hypnotize suggested into it

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   kessposted 11 years ago

   The only prerequisite to harbour demons is to be alive in this world. The man who knows about demons but yet still denies them, are more susceptible than the one who never heard.
   
   It is easy to deny demon as a concept but difficult to deny them as being yourself. The identity  of the demon is the one given unto him by the man.
   So a demon cant be recognised unless he has the appearance of a man.
   
   If it was not for the works of demons, none would be here arguing their existence, instead all would have known their very own.

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      Castlepalomaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      If you are specking metaphorically that demons are for helping us in correcting a  negative realization than I am all for it. If you talking about demonizing an another religion in order to go to war, that would result to hell on earth.
      
      The worst concept man has ever invented is the Idea demon's torture most of us in Hell, that is what most Christian believe, in order for Churches to gain most members by the fear of it.

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         kessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Demons are the negative realisations themselves who purpose is to decieve. So anyone who is decieved is so because of his demon,to recognise your own deception is to recognise your own demon.
         
         The natural inclination of  a demon is to be antagonistic, so we see in this world men striving against men, both decieved but none will admit his own deception. This blind leading blind and falling into ditches.

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            Castlepalomaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            A much older Religion than Christianity believe demons do helpi us in correcting our negative realization, This Idea or concept I can make good sense of and love makes good sense

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               kessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Religion is the primary domain of demons, religion thrive because of the works of demon, so it is not surprising that they would say such a thing.
               
               Not that they are abosolutely wrong, for I have said and maintain that every thing that occurs on earth is for the ultimate good. This include all the works of demons.
               
               It simply depends on their understanding, some may resist or accommodate works of demon to their hearts content, any misunderstanding of the nature of demon would still leave them subjected to their influences.
               
               For example, in christianity there is a big show about the casting out of demons, what christianity do not understand is that demon do have the structure of authority, so therefore it is percectly normal for the greater demon to do unto the lesser demon as he will.
               
               So in the exorcism of the lesser spirit, it just means that the man is under the direct influences of the greater spirit, now the man is worst of but he himself does not know that, for he thinks he better off for it.

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                  Castlepalomaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  If a Religious demon have no authority, then a religious God like Yahweh is not needed to protect us, we have enough power to protect ourselves. It comes down to the first step, which is the realization of your mistake then make the adjustment. No need for10,000 other different  Gods telling us what to do, each one of us have the power of love to cast any fear of demons.
                  
                  We all help each balance out weaknesses and strength in which is love that makes us stronger. There is no need to fight each other Gods or our narrow views in the area of live and let live, when people already know generally what is right and wrong and allow for acceptance of what is.

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   Disturbiaposted 11 years ago

   My daughter says there is no such thing as a real demon, just the negative energy that really bad people leave behind.

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   knolyourselfposted 11 years ago

   Latin De - "away, off".
   Root Mon = one.
   Away or off with one God.

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