Slightly Annoyed by recipe rating

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   kthix10posted 11 years ago

   Okay so I posted a recipe yesterday night - after dinner since I made it for dinner to get the pictures.  Someone already left a low rating on the recipe - there is no way they already made it.

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      kthix10posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Okay sorry for posting this - thanks everyone for continuing to rate this recipe low, I thought this was a friendly, helpful community. 
      
      I do appreciate WriteAngled comments about how to improve it.

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         Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         It is a helpful community. If you cannot take critiquing or criticism, then you might want to reconsider making any knowledge you have public. Just a thought.

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            kthix10posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Giving a recipe you have never tried a rating of a 1 is not helpful in any way.  That is not criticism or critique on my writing.

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               Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               You overlooked my original statement. Ironically.
               I wasn't talking about the ratings your recipe is receiving. I am talking about you coming to the forums and opening up yourself to criticism.

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               Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               To Cagsil's point, it was exactly a critique on your writing. I guarantee you, no one who left a rating ever tried your recipe.
               
               Just to iterate, this is a helpful place, which I hope you can see by the back and forth dialog. Most here want others to succeed, not fail.

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               psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               They aren't obliged to help you.  The rating has 5 spots, they can pick any of them for whatever motivation moves them in the moment. Such is the Internet. I assume you can remove that module if you wish?

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   Cagsilposted 11 years ago

   They don't need to make it to leave a rating on it. The rating is obviously from what they read and not from actually making it.

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   WriteAngledposted 11 years ago

   It is perfectly possible for someone to rate a recipe on the basis of what they think about the originality of the idea and/or how well the instructions are written.
   
   For example, if I have guessed the recipe to which you refer, you give the cooking time as 45-1 hour, which is nonsense. You don't give any ideas for what flavourings to use, just vaguely tell your reader to use any mix out of a packet they might have in the house. You also go on about how you often make a fantastic sauce, but give no clues what that might be. Instead, you say you used a ready sauce from a jar.
   
   Were I in the habit of rating recipes (which I am not), I would give this recipe the lowest rating possible. You have not given any useful information at all.

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      kthix10posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      That makes sense - I see your points.  It was supposed to be more about the process of grilling instead of deep frying or broiling.  I will make some revisions based on those thoughts. It did take about 45 minute to cook on the grill though
      
      It is one thing to rate the article up or down but to rate the actual recipe in the recipe capsule should be based on not thoughts but the product.

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   WriteAngledposted 11 years ago

   You wrote 45-1 hour, you need to insert "minutes" after 45!
   
   I see what you mean about the fact that you were trying to point out a different cooking method. However, I think readers would appreciate it more if you did provide your own sauce recipe too and offered a few hints on what types of herbs and/or spices to chuck into the flour as well. You don't need to insert photos for everything, or you could always insert some of the sauce at a later stage.
   
   Incidentally, I live in the UK and you have me totally confused now, when you refer to "grilling instead of deep frying or broiling"! I always thought that "broiling" is the word used by people in the US to signify the process that we in the UK refer to as "grilling". I did not even know that you use the word "grilling" at all!

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      kthix10posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks, I see what you mean - grilling would refer to outside cooking on a charcoal or propane grill. 
      
      I  unpublished the article for now because I had over 20 people rate the recipe with a low rating since posting about it in the forum.

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         Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Grilling/broiling/barbecuing are all different processes. Grilling is fast cooking over an open flame or grill plate; broiling is fast cooking under an open flame or electric heat element, and barbecuing is slow cooking over or in low heat, usually from wood or charcoal. However, these definitions are regional, even in the US. For example, when I put sweet stuff on top of a cake, I'm icing it, but my relatives to the west in the US are frosting it.
         
         As for being annoyed by HP recipe ratings, I am, too. No, you can't rate a dish merely by reading about it (unless you say that you are reviewing the writing, not the dish you made from the recipe) - you have to make it, then come back to rate it, for a rating to mean anything. To Cagsil's point, the ratings we see on HP are, for the most part, from what's been read. In your case, this was helpful, because apparently the hub had some issues (as described by others).
         
         The Amazon customer review model would be a lot more helpful. In order to leave a rating there, you have to comment. That would clear up the confusion of whether the writing or the actual dish were being reviewed.
         
         Of all the recipes I've written here on HP, only one includes that rating capsule, and I'm not happy with using it. There is no evidence that any of those ratings pertain to either the dish itself or the writing about it; therefore, all ratings are bogus. Who knows...someone gave it 3 stars out of 5 because they don't like cashews?
         
         I recognize the search value of using the recipe rating capsules, but what good is it if the results are meaningless?
         
         I share your annoyance with this.

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   Mark Ewbieposted 11 years ago

   Every Rating or other measure on the web is garbage.  You know that the author or salesman has...
   
   1. Fake IDs to pile on the five stars
   2. Employed a company to pile on the five stars
   3. Been attacked by competitors to reduce the stars to one
   
   Same with Likes, Tweets, +1's - the whole internet is full of meaningless crap.
   
   As for comments and reviews.  All bought and paid for.  Amazing how many third world people you can get for a dollar to visit thousands of pages flagging them up... or down.
   
   Travel reviews are almost entirely written by spammers.  "The best hotel I ever stayed at"... yeah right.
   
   It's a shame, but the internet is just about the most dishonest type of market that it is possible to visit.  At least in the real world the spammer, conman or thief generally have to look you in the eye at some point.
   
   Here... have one of these...
   
   

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      Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Sweet words, as always. A breath of fresh air. On the other hand, some do contribute with honesty and good will...but it's almost impossible to sort them out.

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         Mark Ewbieposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Yes there are lots of honest and decent people, but the others spoil it for everyone.

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            kthix10posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Agreed, Thanks you both - unfortunately my hub score has also plummeted today by 5 points

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               Mark Ewbieposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Well, don't start me on hub score....
               
               High hub score = more people copying your work.

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                  gabgirl12posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  LOL....

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               Sally's Troveposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Hub score (for individual hubs) and profile score (your score as a hubber) mean absolutely nothing. Those scores don't get or deny you readership, following, or money. Even HP knows that, and they're doing their best to get rid of this scoring system (too much for me to go into right now).
               
               If you think about your presence here on HP as a matter of hub and profile scores, I guarantee you, you will be here for the short term. Forget the scores and glean from this place what you want in terms of exposure. Exposure for money or community, that's your choice, but any kind of hub score has nothing to do with anything.

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               moonlakeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               You are right my food hubs have also dived. I'm taking the rating off and going back to the old way of doing recipes. I liked the old way better.

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                  mary615posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Glad you said that, moonlake!  I only have a few recipes, and since I added the ratings, etc. they have dived!  Won't we told to begin with that if we did not use this format our recipes wouldn't be "searched"?  Did I dream that?  I don't think so. 
                  I'm beginning to think there is just too much competition to publish  recipes.  Unless you have a really unique way of cooking something, there are lots of sites where people can get recipes, including my favorite lady:  Martha Stewart!

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                     Michael Willisposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     When I took the rating off of a hub I published after the ratings was introduced, it showed a warning that it would Not be searched as a recipe in search engines.
                     I took it out of my older recipe hub and it has increased in views immediately. I only added the rating to one older hub just to see if it had an impact, it did and not in a good way. It is performing better now without the ratings capsule.

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   Healthy Pursuitsposted 11 years ago

   Hub and hubber scores don't seem to mean diddly. Oh, it's nice to see the hub score going up if you've just published a hub and nobody is leaving comments. That part says the readers like what they're reading. But, other than that, the scores seem pretty meaningless. I know that follow becomes nofollow if a hub score is very low, but it would be too low for anyone who's writing halfway decent hubs to worry about. If you're here to write, write. And it's fun to participate in the forums, too, most of the time.

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   Michael Willisposted 11 years ago

   I added the rating capslule to 2 hubs to see if they did any better with the capsules.
   I saw no difference right after I added them. Now, the 2 hubs have tanked in views, but the hubs without the rating have kept their views.
   
   I think it is time to delete the rating capslule on my hubs. It seems to hurt more than help.

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   Will Apseposted 11 years ago

   Surely,the trick is to write a good page?
   
   Negative feedback can be painful, but it does alert you to problems. This is not an era on the net to have pages that people don't like on your account.

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      lrohnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Yup, who wants well-written recipe hubs.
      
      Surely folks are better off shooting a horrible video of a cat in pain. Don't forget to reach out and, just to give Google some good material, roll the poor cat over so you can video her disgusting and obviously painful incision. With a liberal dose of bad grammar and punctuation, it's surely a gold standard we should all look up to.

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         Will Apseposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Sigh...
         
         Bad stuff happens(sometimes for good reasons).
         
         The cat got better. Which is the point of the video.
         
         Now, what can we do to help you and all this weirdness?

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   Will Apseposted 11 years ago

   Someone from the staff really should produce some reliable stats relating to the performance of the recipe pages. Maybe a blog post. I have been planning a series of recipes myself.

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    mary615posted 11 years ago

    The Hub of the Day was one that was really good about a chicken dish.  I tried to vote it up, but that is not an option.  The other options really don't apply to a recipe, I don't think.

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