Should we trust the "legitimate" media, such as the BBC?

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   sannyasinmanposted 11 years ago

   The BBC is in Court in the UK on 25 February 2013 for manipulating evidence and providing biased coverage of the September 11, 2001 Attacks . . .
   
   http://www.globalresearch.ca/historic-c … ks/5323881
   
   Famously, the BBC annouced that building 7 had collapsed, whilst all the time it was untouched, still standing, and still visible, in shot behind the announcer . . . later, it did indeed collapse
   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc
   
   What do you think?

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      JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Don't trust any media. Reporters aren't experts, and they might be biased.
      
      Trust primary sources as far as the quality of their data justifies it.

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         John Holdenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I think the claims that the BBC were directly involved in the attacks is frankly barking!
         
         And why are they in court in West Sussex, why not London where there head office is?

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            sannyasinmanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            There is no suggestion of the BBC being involved in the attacks. They are being accused of falsifying information and making biased reports . . did you watch the youtube video of the BBC report?
            
            you can clearly see building 7 in the background after she has just told that it had collapsed...

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               John Holdenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               No, there are claims out there that the BBC was directly involved!
               
               BTW, you are aware that reporters are not always standing in front of what they appear to be standing in front of? In other words, when she said that Building 7 had collapsed it may well have done with her against a background of an earlier view before Building 7 had collapsed.

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                  sannyasinmanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  I was unaware of the claims that the BBC were involved - that seems a bit far fetched . .
                  
                  As fas as the BBC "LIVE" report on youtube, there is smoke rising from the site, and the BBC themselves have not answered the questions in that manner (blue screen, previous footage etc)
                  
                  However, regarding reports talking against green screens/backgrounds, there is footage on youtube of Anderson interviewing one of the Sandy Hook actors for CNN, with an appropriate "background" behind him, when something goes wrong and half of his nose disappears . . he also denied talking in front of a green screen . . .

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                  innersmiffposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  I similarly have never heard the theory that the BBC were directly involved. If it's part of the 'TV fakery' theory (theorising that there were no planes, and what we saw was actually a computer graphic), I wouldn't pay much heed. This does not represent the sane view of those who wish to see a proper investigation of 9/11.

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                     innersmiffposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     But then if we are implying prior knowledge we have to imply a cover-up, which is technically being part of the conspiracy.

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                        sannyasinmanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Yes, it certainly seems that the BBC were party to the knowledge (scripted or otherwise) that building 7 would be brought down, well before it actually collapsed .
                        
                        The real question is, how could they have known this in advance - and more to the point, who provided them with this information?

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                           Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

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   mattforteposted 11 years ago

   If you don't believe what the media says...why believe what they show? The same people who will obsinantly state that building 7 was still there (being ignorant of green screen technology) are the people who will raise other conspiracy theories involving the *use* of said technology.
   Conspiracy theorists are so self defeating. Without a doubt...there are conspiracies out there. But as long as you stand on your soapbox shouting out stupid garbage like this....you will never be taken seriously by anybody that matters...and the real conspiracies (the ones involving smart people that are actually well covered up) have nothing to fear.

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      innersmiffposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The timing of the report doesn't match up to real life. They reported it collapsed a good 15 to 20 minutes before it actually did.

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   knolyourselfposted 11 years ago

   I hear BBC has be co-opted by the usual suspects, who can't be rounded up.

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   innersmiffposted 11 years ago

   The BBC was also involved in a massive cover-up of institutional pedophilia that is FINALLY being looked at. They admit to abandoning neutrality in certain sectors, harass those who do not wish to watch television at all through their TV licensing goons, and fail to report on the blinding injustices across the world.
   
   It's pretty widely accepted that this was live footage. As far as I'm aware, and I might be wrong, the BBC has never claimed that it was a green/blue screen. They did hide the footage afterwards though.

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   knolyourselfposted 11 years ago

   Building 7 was a demolition, so never thought it mattered much.

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   CASE1WORKERposted 11 years ago

   Um.................The magistrates court are NOT hearing a charge against the BBC.
   
   A man is being prosecuted for not paying his TV licence fee( this is mandatory in the UK)
   
   His defence is the issue of the 9/11 and the BBC coverage- this defence may or may not be heard- the magistrates may deem it as inadmissible. There would be no grounds for the BBC to be called as witnesses.
   
   Whatever one thinks about our somewhat tarnished national broadcaster it is rather annoying that others pick up on a fact and then twist that fact to fit their agenda.

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      John Holdenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks Caseworker.
      
      That sets my mind at rest - a bit. I did think it rather strange that the BBC should end up in court in Sussex over the matter.
      
      No doubt the story of the British media suppressing the news will run and run though.

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   sannyasinmanposted 11 years ago

   . .  and here is the outcome of the court hearing
   http://www.reinvestigate911.org/content … -protestor

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   TB Bullockposted 11 years ago

   I recently responded to a remarkably similar discussion, and will basically re-iterate what I told the conspiracy people about the American news stations. The original link is deeply lacking in legitimation, as that website is not only 1. subject to the opinions of the writers 2. very obviously edited with the goal of fostering a palpable anti-American and anti-capitalist agenda. The second link doesn't necessarily support the claim with starkly apparent or even sufficient premises, and leaves the viewer to decide whether they were watching something along the lines of a technical difficulty (fairly common in news reporting, even more likely with every single phone line in New York frantically operating) or a piece in a puzzle that would constitute the most elaborate mass deception of humanity ever, which would require the assistance of the news (which turned on the supposed conspirators during the housing crisis). As agitating as the ill-informed conspiracy theorists in America are, this claim strikes me as even more absurd. What would the BBC have to gain by reporting a news story based on American corporate interests, as the theories suggest? Exactly how far is the influence of the "1%" supposed to go? I suppose I should have been more polite, but I have found myself flustered at the willingness of people to buy into these theories and therefore dishonor the memory of the innocents that lost their lives. I beg believers in these absurd and unfounded theories to use reason and logic to arrive at what is clearly the most obvious conclusion: the attacks were performed by terrorists. Your charges that the BBC "manipulated evidence and provided biased coverage" themselves come from sources that do EXACTLY THAT.

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      sannyasinmanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I also don't believe the conspiracy theory that some guy with a beard, holed up in a cave in the mountains, could mastermind such a complex operation.  There are so many holes in this story that it is like tryting to hold water in a sieve. And, many, many people think the same.
      
      I know it is hard to accept, and it challenges the very foundation of peoples beliefs, but more and more people now able to open their minds and ask real questions ....
      
      These people include architects, pilots, engineers and more who know what they are talking about, and all want the truth ....   
      
      Start here ...
      http://www.ae911truth.org

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         Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I guess you missed all the videos he made over the years. But of course, they were probably faked too, right?

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            sannyasinmanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            If you say they were faked, why should I doubt you? And . . .if you provide the links to the videos, I will watch them. 
            
            Did you read the information that I provided? I suspect that you did not, but then hope springs eternal, so here it is again . It is called "Hiding Polio" and many medical professionals describe how polio has not been eradicated at all, but has been disguised as other illnesses with different names, so as to preserve the polio "clean sheet" as it were. These are MD's Phds etc. Legitimate enough for you?
            
            Here is a quote just to wet your appetite . .
            "...while India has been polio-free for a year, there has been a huge increase in non-polio acute flaccid paralysis (NPAFP). In 2011, there were an extra 47,500 new cases of NPAFP. Clinically indistinguishable from polio paralysis but twice as deadly, the incidence of NPAFP was directly proportional to doses of oral polio received. Though this data was collected within the polio surveillance system, it was not investigated."
            http://www.whale.to/vaccine/polio1.html
            
            I wait to see your opinion on this information, after you have read it.

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               Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Of course, if one site says it is so it must be so. I had trouble reading that site since it looks so much like a tabloid.

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                  sannyasinmanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  "Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth.” - Gandhi

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                     Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     But whose truth?

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                        sannyasinmanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        I must say, you read through the website I provided very quickly.
                        And your opinion?

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                  sannyasinmanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  One site you say? There are now thousands of "legitimate" professionals all over the world who don't believe the official story and want to know the truth..
                  
                  Pilots
                  http://pilotsfor911truth.org/
                  
                  Architects and Engineers
                  http://www.ae911truth.org/
                  
                  Scholars
                  http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/
                  
                  Lawyers
                  http://l911t.com/
                  
                  Political Leaders
                  http://pl911truth.com/
                  
                  and there are many more . . .
                  
                  PS. Have you read ANY of these sites yet?

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                     innersmiffposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Seriously. Sceptics MUST watch AE911's Blueprint for Truth. A completely scientific, non-speculating analysis of how the official story could not possibly be true.

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         TB Bullockposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         What exactly are the holes? I respectfully ask that you provide hard evidence here, I'm afraid a website with the obvious goal of proving a conspiracy carries inherent journalistic bias and is therefore rendered insufficient. Additionally, you neglected to address any of the issues I raised in my previous statement which currently are outstanding. Can you provide any reason why I should make the incredible leap of faith required in order to even mentally entertain these theories? Of course you're entitled to your belief and I do not hold you in the slightest of contempt for choosing to have this worldview, I am simply requesting that you offer sufficient evidence to support the claim, given the profound magnitude it's implications. As a final point, are the professionals who don't believe in the more logical conclusion "legitimate" or are they legitimate?

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            innersmiffposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            The website, in particular the presentation I cite 'Blueprint for truth', presents the scientific evidence that at least puts the official story into question, if not destroys it altogether. This includes: observations of building 7 that it fell at free-fall acceleration, contradicting the 'collapse due to fires' theory, records of explosions being heard and evidence of thermite plasma at the scene. Most significantly: the impact of the aircraft and the burning of jet fuel could not have been enough force to produce the collapse observed on WTC1 and 2.
            
            When the science is considered, arguments to the nature of the conspiracy, for example "how could so many people keep it quiet?" fade into insignificance. These are not substitutes for scientific analysis.

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