Life after death?

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   Alise- Evonposted 11 years ago

   If Mary believes in reincarnation and Jane believes you just turn into dust after dying because she is an existentialist, what happens to each after they die? 
   a.  Does Mary get reincarnated into the appropriate form and Jane turn into dust forevermore?
   b.  If reincarnation is really what happens, does Jane get to say, when she is surprised to realize at some point in her new life that she did not turn into dust, that she really just wants out, she doesn't believe in reincarnation- "Just turn me into dust!" 
   c.  If, on the other hand. everyone just turns into dust after you die, what happens to Mary?  She is dust, she cannot say, "Hey, this isn't what I believe in, reincarnate me!"
   d.  Does it matter how firm they are in their beliefs?
   e.  What if neither happens?

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      brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      that is the advantage of knowing what you believe. There is persuasive evidence for resurrection and reincarnation falls apart at the seams when diagnosed. Reincarnation has its evil side and says the world will continue forever and ever with regurgitated souls in abundance, whereas resurrection is all good.
      Yknow when we are born on this planet we have no idea of life in the womb, or that first six months. Everything is new to us and this is the state of resurrection, we are born new into a plane of existence we had not previously imagined, so there will not be any talk around the water cooler of our past life or longing to see dear ol cousin ed, our wives memories gone. But what we have in front of us is amazing and new

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         A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Sorry, that is false and we all know it is false, no need to lie about that.

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            brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Give evidence of falseness please. Back up your statement and then i will tell you that you ignore the power of God. Resurrection is of God seeing as God lives forever, suns exist for billions of years.. you believe in radio carbon dating so you know there is a very very very long time of possibilities. Ahh but you don't see it do you? Imagine walking your dog along a forest path and all of a sudden he rushes into the bushes and comes back with a dead bird in his mouth.. you had no idea the bird was there, but the dog did. You didn't see the bird did you? Your senses failed to acknowledge the dead bird. And so do my friend your senses fail you to see God.
            have a nice day.

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               psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               You don't give evidence of validity--just a claim that you a somehow wiser (i.e. the fallacy called "argument from authority").

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               A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               You provide no evidence for resurrections. Everything we know does not support your claim at all. Even George Romero knows only to well the zombies in his movies are paid actors.
               
               
               
               What power? The only power I see is the power of indoctrination.
               
               
               
               Did the dog find God in the bush, too?

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         Alise- Evonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Points well taken, brotheryochanan and A Troubled Mind.  It certainly is to one's advantage to being intimately aware of what you believe and to be able to consider all the ramifications, not just those surrounding the above scenario, to see if it is truly wise to continue following that line of thought.
         I pose the question just to get people to think about what they believe.  Sometimes, I think, it needs to be somewhat glaringly, maybe we could say, "odd?" to get a person to do so.  I do not mean to be offensive in any way.

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            brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            none taken.
            Questions are questions and deserve better response than a snipers shot while quickly driving by. There are so many differences between believers and non believers its like a and z. Often their arguments are weak and unsupported and unthoughtful and their best defense is God doesn't exist which is like saying to a mathematician quantum pi is fictional. So the debate goes on and on in this area and that.
            Its all good to those with good intentions, but certain ones have crept in unawares.

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               psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               In other words: you have faith, you assume your point of view is correct, and you can't converse across paradigms.

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   psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago

   The natural world is how it is, regardless of what a person believes.

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      pennyofheavenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Yes agree

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   Alise- Evonposted 11 years ago

   True, I do not give evidence of validity.  Many people do not have evidence of validity for what they believe, yet will live out their lives holding to such, and sometimes vehemently.  So, given this in relationship to varying beliefs about what happens after death, my basic questions underlying the scenario set forth still remain:  a.  Is one's personal belief about life after death valid,  b.  can significantly divergent beliefs be simultaneously valid, and c. what happens to each individual after they die if beliefs are not simultaneously valid? 
   I believe it is important to get this sorted out sooner rather than later, thus I pose the question.

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      wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      a.  no way of knowing
      
      b.  no.  One or none of the differing beliefs are correct.  A belief does not change reality.
      
      c.  That will depend on which belief system is correct.

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      My Esotericposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      What a person believes about what happens after death is of no consequence.  Whether there is life after death or not is unknown and unknowable; it will be whatever it will be regardless of how we believe.
      
      I have my own thoughts on the matter, but, as I said, they are only conjecture from what I understand of the universe.  Only time will tell what it really is.

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         Alise- Evonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I believe what you say is true about it not mattering what any individual believes, what really happens is what's going to happen.  Some research, though, into the medical field even, will give you some clues about whether something happens after you die, or if it's just "The End."  Maybe some day you'll think it's worth a little more research?

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   macauleyposted 11 years ago

   Those who are loving and caring will be resurrected to life eternal. Those who are selfish and evil cannot be used by the creator in the next life, as selfishness and evil are destructive to themselves and to the order of the universe. Their soul will die on judgment day (second death).
   
   I might be wrong, but that's what Jesus said. I'd rather stick with Jesus than with any other man who's ever walked this earth. Never been much impressed with anyone else.

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   psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago

   You want to know who is right without reference to evidence.
   
   That pretty much leaves it to a) personal preference or b) whoever shouts the loudest.

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   bajinganaposted 11 years ago

   Die first, then you'll know.

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      Alise- Evonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You could do that, but is your soul worth so little to you that you wouldn't try to find out if Somebody existed out there who could help you find the answer?  Souls are valuable.  Why not throw the question out there?

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