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   psycheskinnerposted 10 years ago

   My latest 'overly promotion' warning is for three thinks to research articles on http://link.springer.com/
   
   This is a source of data I refer to, to back up scientific claims. I think it should be permitted?

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      wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know, Psyche - every page I looked at (only a few) was an excerpt from a book they are trying to sell.  Definitely a sales-oriented site, with the purpose being to sell books.  That's pretty promotional...

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         psycheskinnerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         It is peer-reviewed research that I use to show I am not making stuff up and facts is facts.  Students would use their institutional accounts to access the full text.

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            wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            I understand that, and maybe I'm way off base here.  I just view any commercial site, selling stuff, as a potential problem when it is linked to.  I kind of use that concept in defining "overly promotional" - whether HP does or not I'm not really sure.
            
            I know we can link to newspapers, which definitely have ads, and I know we cannot link to Sears because it is nothing BUT ads.  Somewhere in between, it seems, there is a line drawn as to what constitutes a "commercial" site as opposed to "informative".  I don't think you could, for instance, link (three times) to ehow or squidoo even though they are informative articles; both have too many ads and their purpose is to sell.
            
            Just my thoughts - only an HP moderator can tell you for sure.

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      Simone Smithposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Hey psycheskinner!
      If you think the site has been misclassified, feel free to contact the moderation team! They can at least reevaluate the site and give it another shot. I do not know what our specific requirements are, but there is a chance this site might be seen as being OK.

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      Matthew Meyerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      We reviewed the domain and it is primarily an ebook sales site.
      It will be treated like other commercial sites.

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         psycheskinnerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         It is a publisher of peer-reviewed science journals on print and by digital subscription.  I would not call that a ebooks sales site.
         
         I will just link to their papers on a database rather than their own site as previously suggested.

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   WriteAngledposted 10 years ago

   It does seem ludicrous that posting non-affiliate links to a scientific paper published by a major international scientific publisher is considered over-promotional. To me it rather highlights the ignorance of whichever moderator made that decision. Obviously the person concerned has no knowledge of academic literature.
   
   One potential way round would be to post links to the abstract in a public database, if such a resource exists for the subject area in question. For example, PubMed supplies a link to the full text on the publisher's site in addition to featuring the abstract. Thus the hub would take the reader to the abstract, and the abstract would show the way to the full text, if the reader had an institutional account with the publisher or was willing to pay to purchase the whole article.

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   psycheskinnerposted 10 years ago

   Thanks for that suggestion. I guest I could find more of them in sciencedirect, which I think is already whitelisted.

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   psycheskinnerposted 10 years ago

   The hub hasn't been moderated, just flagged--probably automatically

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      Barbara Kayposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      We are limited to 2 links per site, even if it is an educational site. That may be causing the problem too.

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   WriteAngledposted 10 years ago

   Actually, Springer Verlag is currently the second largest publisher in the world of academic journals after Elsevier. The company has been in existence since the mid-19th century.
   
   So basically, you are saying it is not possible to give a live link within a citation of a scientific paper. 
   
   I am truly amazed.

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      wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      If (IF!) I'm getting this right, from Matt's response, you are still welcome to give a link to a scientific paper.  Just not to the publisher who will sell you that paper.

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         Matthew Meyerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         It isn't a prohibited site, so you can link to it.
         It is simply limited to 2 per Hub for this as with other commercial sites.
         http://hubpages.com/faq/#overly_promotional

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            wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Right, of course.  That's what I meant - should have said so.  It isn't a resource such as wikipedia - informative that can be linked to several times.

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               Matthew Meyerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               That is correct!

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      psycheskinnerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Such is life.  I understand if they don't want to us to link to any publishers.  But I would hope any media company would realize Springer is a bit more than some website that sells ebooks.
      
      But it has not real effect on me if I need to link to them in a secondary site and make people click one more time to get the primary reference.

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   Will Apseposted 10 years ago

   Springer is most definitely a commercial enterprise. The money they make from publishing scientific papers is a scandal, given that most of the science is publicly funded.

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   WriteAngledposted 10 years ago

   Actually, Springer produces 350 open-access journals, which anyone can read for free. This is more than any other academic publisher.
   
   Of course, one could always demand that public funds pay for free journals as well, then Springer, Elsevier and all the rest would wither away...

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