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   Kevin Peterposted 10 years ago

   In some countries teachers are being respected and given the equal position of God. But in this modern generation, people don't give much respect to their teachers. I have heard some teachers say that after a long time when they see their students somewhere, they don't even bother to talk to them. It's something that's very sad. How can students be taught this good quality?

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      Brenda Durhamposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Nobody should be treated as though they were God.
      And teachers most certainly shouldn't WANT to be equal or equated with God.
      And I dunno why students don't wanna talk to their former teachers.  Could be a myriad of reasons,  everything from the student being ashamed he/she wasn't a good student, to maybe the teacher wasn't a good teacher!

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         A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         That's exactly what you do.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Eh?
            Why do you say that?
            Who is it that you think I treat as though they were God?
            If you mean Jesus,  yes indeed, for He IS God.

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               MelissaBarrettposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Then God talks to himself a lot in the bible. No wonder the atheists think he's crazy.
               
               "My ME, My ME, why have I forsaken MYSELF?"

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Wow.
                  I guess I was mistaken when I got the impression that you claim to believe in at least some semblance of Christianity.    You often talk about your "faith", but so far haven't really defined exactly what that "faith" is..........and your mockery of the very person (Jesus the Christ) who is the object of Christianity, is confusing, to say the least.
                  Oh well.
                  
                  Maybe if I keep bumping this thread, the person whose post prompted me to ask a question of (A Troubled Man) will elaborate on what he was referring to.

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                     MelissaBarrettposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     I have said from the beginning that I am a Unitarian.
                     
                     If you don't know what that means, I'm sorry that it surprised you.
                     
                     I wasn't mocking Jesus, I was mocking the trinity concept.  It happens.

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                        Brenda Durhamposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        Do you consider Unitarianism to be a Christian religion/denomination or not?
                        To you, is Jesus the Savior?   Or was he just a prophet?

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                           MelissaBarrettposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                           Most people consider Unitarians to be Christian Brenda.  I'm not talking UU.  I'm talking Unitarian.
                           
                           I don't really see Jesus as a prophet, per say... more of a teacher.  I don't see him as a savior... per say... but as a guide to being righteous and living according to my God's plan.
                           
                           Most of my views are close to Thomas Jefferson's (I only use him because there's so much on record about his views) I think Jesus' teachings are the way to salvation, although I don't believe he himself was a child of God any more than anyone else was.  I don't believe in a resurrection.  I don't believe in a virgin birth... or many of the other "mystical" parts of the bible.
                           
                           I do believe Jesus was killed for his teaching.  I believe that that ends his living story on Earth.

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                              Brenda Durhamposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                              Okay.
                              Similar to this, except you said most people believe Unitarians to be Christian.....but not Unitarian Universalists............
                              
                              
                              From CARM:
                              
                              "Unitarianism is the belief that God exists in one person, not three.  It is a denial of the doctrine of the Trinity as well as the full divinity of Jesus.  Therefore, it is not Christian.  There are several groups that fall under this umbrella:  Jehovah's Witnesses, Christadelphianism, The Way International, etc.  Another term for this type of belief is called monarchianism."

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                                 MelissaBarrettposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                 I'll go by the census bureau and the traditional definitions.
                                 
                                 Since most history books say there has never been a non-Christian president, yet 6 presidents have been Unitarian...
                                 
                                 However, it doesn't really matter, I guess what other people think my religion is.  I know I am a Christian.  I'm not a protestant though. 
                                 
                                 Not all UU's are Christian.  The faith accepts all beliefs and none.  I am a Unitarian and a Unitarian Universalist.  The terms are mutually exclusive.

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   Nganleeposted 10 years ago

   maybe they are not mature enough to understand what teacher do to help them becoming better. I believe that in some days in the future when they are fathers, mothers or even teachers.sometimes they have to think about that

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   Brenda Durhamposted 10 years ago

   So....what type of book or books do Unitarians claim to go by, if any?
   Surely not the Bible, with its narratives about the virgin birth, the divinity of Christ, his resurrection....

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      MelissaBarrettposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, the Bible.
      
      We just interpret it differently.
      
      You do realize that ALL Christians were originally Unitarians... right?  The doctrine of the trinity is a religious doctrine created by the Council of Nicea.  There are more political reasons for it than biblical ones.

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         Brenda Durhamposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         LOL.  That's not possible, since the original disciples were "trinitarians" in their beliefs.   They walked with Jesus, saw him die and then saw him after he rose from death,   heard him tell them about the Father and the Holy Ghost (all 3 being the Godhead all rolled into one). 
         But I'm supposing that you mean more modern "Christians" after "Bible days"...........um....I am aware that many people misinterpreted the Word, yes.   Which led to all kinds of unChristian doctrine and denominations that sprang up outta misinterpretations etc.    Like the Jehovah's Witnesses etc,  LDS, SDA, etc....and Unitarianism.....

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            MelissaBarrettposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            If you say so Brenda.
            
            Find me the word trinity in the bible.
            
            And my faith predates Calvinism, so it's pretty hard to say it's "modern" Since technically, it existed long before baptists started trying to drown each other.
            
            But I will say that a struggling new religion in an area where they were being persecuted for putting someone before God might have a reason to find a way to combine the person they were worshiping with their God to be considered monotheistic... yes?
            
            And you can stop trying to bait Brenda.  I don't care if you consider me part of the club.  You're views on my faith are irrelevant.  It would be like you arguing that I wasn't a woman when I know I am.

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               Brenda Durhamposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Let's see.
               There's no word "rapture" in the Bible either, but indeed the concept is there.
               The burden of proof isn't on me to prove that the Trinity is there,  but I just did in an earlier post!   How quickly ya forget the Father who sent his Son who died and then resurrected and sent His own Spirit (the Holy Ghost) to believers..........
               
               Wow.
               But hey, Melissa, that's okay.  I was just curious, and you've answered my questions.   I'm no longer curious about Unitarianism now that I know what it is.
               
               The confusion perpetuated by so many different religious sects that try to stake a claim to true Christianity is one reason I'm so very glad that I was raised in a denomination based on the preachin' of the forerunner of Christ-----John the Baptist, who brought the same message that Jesus brought-----------REPENT ye, for the Kingdom is at hand.    Simplicity.    Truth in such simplicity that people want to complicate it with specific church doctrines that they make just 'cause they can, knowing that impressionable people will believe them.  Indeed most of it IS political!   Men (and women) want to "BE" something, want to be followed, instead of following Someone worthy of being followed (Jesus).    That greed has fostered many a false sect and religion all the way up to and including the disastrous mind-control cults like Jonestown and Islam and etc.
               But indeed it's good that Jesus also elaborated and expounded upon John the Baptist's (and his) original teachings.    He didn't want us to be confused;  he "spelled" most of it out in ways that we can all understand the concepts.   If we just are willing to be taught from that pure Word............

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                  MelissaBarrettposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  I don't believe in rapture either.
                  
                  I don't believe that God was Jesus' literal father nor that God sent him in any specific way.
                  
                  I don't believe he was resurrected.
                  
                  I don't believe that Baptism is based on John's teachings nor did it predate Calvinism.
                  
                  My church doesn't have a doctrine.
                  
                  Cults don't produce 6 presidents.
                  
                  I've read the pure word.  I don't need to be taught anything.
                  
                  All the above arguments are exactly as valid as yours. 
                  
                  Have a good day.

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                     Brenda Durhamposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     Okay, so according to those statements, your beliefs aren't Christian, because those specific views you've mentioned there are definitely oppositional to what the Holy Bible teaches.
                     I get it.
                     The only thing I might argue about is the statement that cults don't produce 6 Presidents.  LOL.  After seeing this current President in word and action, it's pretty apparent that a President can be produced by any unChristian doctrine if he isn't properly vetted!
                     Like I said, I'm not longer curious about Unitarianism since you've described it thusly.
                     Now that we have that cleared up, I wish you a good day as well!

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                        MelissaBarrettposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        LMAO
                        
                        Feel better now?

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                           Brenda Durhamposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                           I felt fine all along.
                           I was more concerned about your state of mind.
                           I just hope you won't complain again like you've complained before that I don't consider you a Christian. 
                           .....Because your statements above show that you yourself believe you're unapologetically NOT a Christian, and you're happy with that and proud of that. 
                           So you have nothing to complain about.
                           Bye.

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                              A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                              We definitely consider YOU a Christian, Brenda.

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                              MelissaBarrettposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                              Nope Brenda, won't complain.
                              
                              I could not care less if you don't consider me a Christian... as a matter of fact, from you it's a compliment.

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   Mark Johannposted 10 years ago

   I am a teacher and I just set my students free of my teachings. If you are a good teacher, respect is not asked, it is earned.
   
   Even parents are disrespected by children and for this, giving them good example would earn a respect.

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