Do you exist? Prove it, please.

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   SearchingForTruthposted 14 years ago

   All books (all religions believing in God or some named deity based on God) claim God is the most high being that exists and that none are before Him ... some claim that God is a trinity of beings (Father, Son, & Holy Spirit), others claim God has many names yet God should only be called by ONE name ... your own Qu'ran. Beelzedad posted the references I was thinking of in that aspect, but also how is it possible to read the Qu'ran and the majority think it is peaceful yet others are able to pull the "vigilante" and "jihad" side of it? I am doing more research all the time and starting to write down more and more of the contradictions. Once I have a more thorough accounting of them, I will post them as a hub and let you know about it so you can look at it and hopefully give some constructive criticism and enlightenment. Peace to all.

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Before you do that; you may see the context of the verse in question; some verses preceding and some verses following. You yourself will understand the true meaning.
      
      Just a little thought and one understands Quran.
      
      You are welcome for your research.
      
      I will be pleased to help you.

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Tazzy3613 wrote:
   I have to admit I'm indeed new to this and I'm finding this quite fasinating. The fact that someone posted to ask to prove if one exsit and then in turn is wanting or is expecting a answer is quite intriguing!
   
   Paarsurrey says:
   
   I just wanted to bridge the gap between Theists and the Atheists. If the Atheists provide a valid argument for their own existence; the same reason or the flaws in it provide the fallacy they have about existence of the Creator-God Allah YHWH.It is supposed to be a peaceful discussion, and on my part it will be.
   
   Others could happily disagree with me

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      Disturbiaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Paarsurrey, I have no idea what you just said.

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         The reason or the line of argument which I could give for my existence or you could give for your existence should be a valid argument for existence of anything or any person.
         
         May be it is now clear to you; else I will explain again.

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            BDazzlerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Axiom: From Wikipedia:
            In traditional logic, an axiom or postulate is a proposition that is not proved or demonstrated but considered to be either self-evident, or subject to necessary decision. Therefore, its truth is taken for granted, and serves as a starting point for deducing and inferring other (theory dependent) truths.
            
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            Existence or non-existence of any elementary entity, including the existence person being addressed, the person making the argument or for that matter, God is axiomatic.
            
            It must either be agreed to or not. If an axiomatic principle is not agreed to, no logical agreement can be reached. Therefore it is logically useless to try to prove or disprove the existence of God, self or others.

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               paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Well I am an ordinary man in the street. I don't go into complicated terminology. Truth is always very simple; it just goes into the heart; that is its beauty.

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                  BDazzlerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Nothing complicated about the terminology if one takes the time to learn it.  You did say that the Koran encourages learning, did you not?

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   Uma07posted 14 years ago

   Existence is eat, drink and be Merry.Of what use is existence if you are not living?

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   steffsingsposted 14 years ago

   ...figured I really DID NOT exist  since I could NOT prove it.... THEN, I checked my last paycheck stub & attendance records & 'THEY' Said Yep, I'm still employed & I keep cashing those checks to buy my tofu so, either I exist or someone ELSE is wearing my skin and making me WORK for it! DONE! I'm Here!!!

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I think you exist as you have given just now many proofs of your existence. Havnt' you.

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         steffsingsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         you are 'correct' sir (big smile..)

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   tobey100posted 14 years ago

   Answered ya didn't I???

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   joer4x4posted 14 years ago

   Perhaps the proof is in existence itsself. Ask the question - is consciousness possible without existence? The answer is obvious:)

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      BDazzlerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      perhaps even axiomatic

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   illeagle wrote:
   
   There is no absolute proof that anything exists. I believe I am. I cannot prove it. I can't state exactly what 'I' is.
   
   
   Paarsurrey wrote:
   
   Thanks; one cannot prove it as our life is just like an icon of the desktop of a computer; a clikd could delete it. Life has been bestowed to man by the Creator-God Allah YHWH and waits a delete command from Him, when it would come to an end.

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   The Atheists Skeptics say that "I" or ego is in the brain. I don't think if they see their brain, they will be able to even recognize it.

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Normally the Atheist's stance is that those who believe in God; they should prove God's existence. If that is the  correct apporach; then a person who says that he exists; he should come forward to prove his existence; for comparison and argument.

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    libby101aposted 14 years ago

    I cannot prove I exist over the internet! This is impossible as the only thing I can bring is my typing and words! And my proving that I exist doesn't matter for I know I exist!
    
    As far as proving God exists! God doesn't need to prove he exists! He is who he is! He is the God of all and he doesn't need to prove anything to anyone! He wants people to accept him by their freewill! If they don't then he doesn't exist to them because they chose for him not to! But in reality God does exist if they believe or not!

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       An intellignet answer.
       
       But He lets Himself to be known to the people out of His mercy and His grace, the Creator-God Allah YHWH.
       
       It is His additional mercy

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       You don't have to prove it. Let the Atheists Skeptics Agnostics prove it; with the same argument the Theists should prove that the Creator-God Allah YHWH does exist.
       
       You just prove them false; right
       
       Thanks

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    SearchingForTruthposted 14 years ago

    For those of you who wonder why we nonbelievers get so angry in debates with you, read this please. Eloquent and passionate, she hits on many of the reasons why I (as a nonbeliever) do not believe in God. This may give you some needed insight into why we are as upset as we are.   http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta … nd-an.html

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       BDazzlerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Read the blog, but it doesn't seem any more or less rational than any other venting of any other view.  Venting may be cathartic for the ventor and may serve as a point around which others angry about the same thing can rally, but it certainly doesn't change anybody's mind who already disagrees.
       
       People don't like to be told they are wrong.  These days, however, some people seem to like to feel victimized for being told that.  We've mixed up victim and hero and so whenever anybody (Christian, Atheist, Muslim, Jew, etc. doesn't matter ... ) has their beliefs/non-beliefs criticized they get mad and play the victim.
       
       The problem with that is that it only matters to people who  care about how  you feel.  For people who don't care how you feel, being mad is irrelevant.  In fact, it is probably counterproductive, because people don't see the rationality, they only see the anger, which they tend to ignore. And the really nasty people see making their opponents angry as a victory.
       
       For people who do care, well then there's really no point in being mad at them, because they already care.
       
       So, she and you and everybody else on any religion or non-religion can be as angry as you want to be, but the only people who care are the people who care ... and if they care, why are you angry at them?

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    bojanglesk8posted 14 years ago

    O hai, yes I am conscious and I exist.

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I think you do sleep sometimes of the day; obviouly you are not that conscious at that time; so you don't exist at that time. Do you?
       
       The Creator- God Allah YHWH is the only All-Coscious being; neither slumber seizes Him not, nor sleep:
       
       [2:256] Allah — there is no God but He, the Living, the Self-Subsisting and All-Sustaining. Slumber seizes Him not, nor sleep. To Him belongs whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that will intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is before them and what is behind them; and they encompass nothing of His knowledge except what He pleases. His knowledge extends over the heavens and the earth; and the care of them burdens Him not; and He is the High, the Great.
       
       http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=255

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          Dave Mathewsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          What kind of garbage is that? "When you sleep you do not exist." Wake up and smell the coffee, which you can smell even when sleeping.
          Brother Dave.

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             BDazzlerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             I love coffee !!!! I'm going to go get another cup right now! Great idea!

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    Awakening and doing something is a full conscious activity;in sleeping one is at the lowest ebb of conciousness:
    
    [39:43] Allah takes away the souls of human beings at the time of their death; and during their sleep of those also that are not yet dead. And then He retains those against which He has decreed death, and sends back the others till an appointed term. In that surely are Signs for a people who reflect.
    
    http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=38

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    skipper112posted 14 years ago

    I know I exist, the Tax Office says so, therefore I exist. That my friends is proof, if the Tax Office says you exist, then you EXIST PERIOD!!

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    Do you exist? Prove it, please.

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       saleheensblogposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       how do you define existence?

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    luabuposted 14 years ago

    do i exist
     
    i thought i did
    
    last night i had my doubts
    
    the 2 minutes between washing my teeth and falling asleep last night seemed unreal somehow
    
    a space where nothingness lasts forever
    
    luabu

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       That may reassure you that you exist; how would you prove to others that you exist?
       
       The same line of argument would prove that the Creator-God does exist, in my opinion.

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    skipper112posted 14 years ago

    Parr,
    
    Hear you go again asking simple silly questions.
    
    PROOF I EXIST.
    1/ The tax man knows I exist I pay TAX.
    2/ The Goverment knows I exist I vote.
    3/ The mirror show's me  I exist it lets me see myself every morning.
    4/ The policeman that gave me a traffic ticket know's I exist
    5/ The bank knows I exist they give me my money.
    
    And that is 5 stupid reasons that I exist.
    6/ Who else can type on my p/c as me??
    
    Skipper.
    Not even close Parr: Jesus Christ never had to prove a existance, like this.
    
    It seams to me you will try any 'trick' to try and prove your missconception of Islam because to main stream Islam your cult does not EXIST.

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       luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       hi skipper 112/parrsurrey
       this is not a silly question
       it stopped me in my track and it's something i'v been thinking about
       
       using the tax man is funny but tragic
       
       something is there when it's absence is quantifiable
       who will miss you or me in 150 years
       then neither of us will exist
       our presence now is therefore a cosmic noise of no relevance
       maybe we just pased on genes /maybe not
         but you or i don't exist
         dig a bit deeper than the tax man

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          luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          most religous fanatics exist on the cusp of reality and bullshit

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    pennyofheavenposted 14 years ago

    "I" don't exist "I" just think  "I" do.

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I don't understand it. Please elaborate further.

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       pennyofheavenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I is a perception that is connected to the whole. Kinda like a wave on the ocean. Am I a wave or am I the ocean. My perception might tell me I am just the wave but I am really the ocean. So how can I say I exist as I perceive me today?

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          luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          hi pennyofheaven
          is this
          
          i think therefore i am 
          
          i think it is you know
          
          then i've just figured out it isn't
          
          sorry
          
          You are deep you know!

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             luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             I is a perception that is connected to the whole. Kinda like a wave on the ocean. Am I a wave or am I the ocean. My perception might tell me I am just the wave but I am really the ocean. So how can I say I exist as I perceive me today?
             
             
             listen to this woman
             she's good!

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                luabuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                pennyofheaven/you make me think
                
                'let me  not to the marriage of two minds admit impediments'
                
                try this
                you can't say you exist because you can't fully perceive yourself
                accepted
                this presumes alternative perceptons of yourself
                this is correct
                other people see you
                cats see you
                birds see you etc
                you are the spot where these perceptions meet
                the fact that these perceptions cross at a point means you exist in this world at that point
                the point of other perceptions meeting
                Phew.I thought we had lost you there for a while
                QED

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                   pennyofheavenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Makes sense to me!

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    MissKarolainaposted 13 years ago

    The strangest question I've ever heard!

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    DoubleScorpionposted 13 years ago

    To answer the Question of "Do I Exist" and my proof would be or not be...considering on your take on it...
    
    1. I have to exist because you are talking and responding to me.
    If I didn't exist then either:
    2. I am a god because you are talking and responding to me.
    3. Or YOU are completely crazy because you are talking and responding to me!
    
    Which one do you think is the most probable?

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    logic,commonsenseposted 13 years ago

    There is no proof only theory and conjecture!

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       andromidaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I think I myself typing this forum post for me.

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    logic,commonsenseposted 13 years ago

    Yes Virginia, there is a logic and commonsense!

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    pilesnowayposted 13 years ago

    do i? You decide

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    Midnight Oilposted 13 years ago

    I post, therefore exist...

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    tom_catonposted 13 years ago

    Well I know I'm a little insane so, you probably don't exist

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    paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

    Do you exist? Prove it, please.
    
    Please don't take it personal; it is just for the sake of argument.
    
    The same line of argument will prove that the Creator-God exists.

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