Does violence really solve violence?

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   maddotposted 11 years ago

   Does violence really solve violence?
   
   The NRA want  school staff to be armed.
   Will throwing more guns at the probem solve it or make it worse?

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   snobletposted 11 years ago

   Arming teachers?  Well some teachers themselves have psychological issues and if they were to do that, they would have to evaluate them first and more than half will probably fail, and the other half will probably be against it.  The NRA's way of thinking is guns don't kill people but people kill people.  They fail to realize that guns makes it easier to kill, and they fail to accept the fact that there are people that will not carry a weapon.  NRA might as well advise that children be armed, and since they are smaller they should have the privilege to carry full autos.  NRA = Not Resposible Adults?

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Can you imagine arming teachers and then not giving them their next pay raise or passing the next school levy?

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   Attikosposted 11 years ago

   I think what the NRA proposed was the posting of an armed guard in each school, not arming the teachers. One may argue against that idea, but setting up a straw man doesn't get it done.

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      snobletposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      it's going to take a lot to stop those insane acts as long as the killer is determined to get done. sad how it seems to happen and nothing can truly be done to prevent it.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Half of America's teachers cheat on their own aptitude tests. If this ratio remains constant we can expect half of them to cheat on fire arm safety training as well. Hence their aim will not be any better than their intellect.

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   Express10posted 11 years ago

   The NRA did not propose to arm staff. The NRA proposed having at least one armed officer or security officer at each school which is a good idea that had also been previously proposed by Bill Clinton if I am correct.
   
   The fact is that criminals and others who choose to do harm prefer attacking people who have little or no recourse. Criminals would absolutely love it if law abiding citizens had even one or two fewer options for their own protection. Because guns were prohibited and are often advertised as such, this is why places like the cinema in CO and the school in CT were targets and victims.
   
   It must be made clear that criminals and mentally unstable people have always and will always work outside the law when it comes to violence or guns. It is the law abiding citizens who will be at even greater risk because they won't be able to defend themselves with equal or greater force. I do believe that when someone intends to do others bodily harm, they must be met with equal or greater force to stop the violence once it becomes clear the perp has a weapon.
   
   Personally, I have seen cases where violence really does stop the aggressor when verbal reasoning or hiding cannot. My father saved himself and his 3 little girls (including me) by shooting a burglar with one of his guns. I have seen some pretty large and intimidating bullies get the stuffing whipped out of them and they gave bullying up afterwards. In Oklahoma there was a 12 year old girl who recently shot a burglar and saved herself.
   
   Violence can stop violence in a large number of scenarios, but there is no "solution" to all violence. There always have been and always will be people who are enraged, crazy, or suicidal enough that they want to harm others. While armed officers cannot remedy every single problem, the fact is this is a good deterrent that has been successfully used around the country. I agree that there should be at least one armed security person in schools. It is not a matter of throwing guns at "the problem" it's a matter of people having a chance. Dozens of innocent people in CO and CT had none.

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      snobletposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I think someone should fill Batman's shoe, instill fear and all, makes me wonder if that's even possible.  Fighting crime in his underwear looking gear. It would be a sight to see

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      Express10posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Snoblet, the NRA did not propose arming teachers. That has been discussed in the media but that was not the NRA's proposal. The NRA advised having armed security at schools.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      These wack jobs are choosing the schools, malls, and movie theaters because they have a multitude of potential victims crammed together like sardines. If the American public is disarmed the criminal element will now turn their fury upon private homes

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   Beata Stasakposted 11 years ago

   Violence feeds more violence and it is a vicious cycle, replace violence with education, negotiation and reasoning...the common sense should prevail in the end....

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      Express10posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Common sense is increasingly becoming uncommon in this world.

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   Knogginposted 11 years ago

   I think it is going to take a combination of different things to arrive at a single solution. Education is number one, with a combination of Hollywood, community and schools delivering on one accord. Second I find it hard to believe in this age of technological miracles, we can;t equip our schools and institutions with the best warning systems.
   Next we concentrate on guns when the real control should be ammunition.  If a person lawfully purchase a gun he is issued an ID card identifying the caliber, make and owner information. When he tries to purchase his ammo card is swiped through a standard POS terminal. (Credit Card Terminal)
   
   If the type and caliber does not match or even worst he has warrants, he cannot purchase. Same if he purchases online. He must type in the number on the ID card and the ammo can only be shipped to the address on the card. This will put whom ever thinking about buying ammo for someone else on notice, and eventually dry up corrupt ammo supply to a minimal.
   And of course there is no substitute for armed  personnel.

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      Express10posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I agree armed security is important, armed law abiding citizens are too. But, there is no singular solution. Further the POS terminal can often be hacked. Criminals and crazies don't care about gun control and do whatever it takes to do evil deeds.

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      Knogginposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Usually when a terminal is hacked it is to steal information not to manipulate information stored in a data base.

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      Express10posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      This is true, however criminals and crazies do all sorts of illogical, difficult, and illegal things to accomplish their illegal deeds. They can hack into the system, they can manipulate data, use fake ID's, etc.

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   CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years ago

   I cannot see what arming teachers with side arms is going to accomplish, when we can't even arm them with truth or knowledge.
   
   So, does violence really solve violence? Unfortunately there are times when fire must be met with fire.

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      Express10posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      There are times when fire must be met with fire. This is an unfortunate fact of life. It always has been and most likely always will be.

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   Marcus99posted 11 years ago

   It does if you like violence. That usually does it.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I think the motto of Washington D.C. is "Might makes right". It doesn't help when Washington D.C. is talking about cleaning up the violence on the streets, but at the same time are invading anyone with natural gas, oil, or whatever the bankers want.

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      Marcus99posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Well, someone has to finance their totally-honest elections.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      We don't have elections here in America. We have the illusion of a democracy, but all our senators, congressmen and Presidents are appointed by the wealthy elite behind the scenes. Wonder why Wash. D.C. never acts in our best interest? Now you do.

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   Globetrekkermelposted 11 years ago

   NOT AT ALL. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth never worked. If they throw you stone,throw them bread .I think that is a better premise than the first one.

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    na cairridireposted 11 years ago

    The issue is the word solve which I understand to mean cure as in the solition for. So does violence solve violence... no it expands it. However if I have a dog that kills my sheep will killing the dog stop him from killing sheep? It may not stop sheep from being killed but a dead dog kills no sheep. Violence can stop a thing but what is interesting about criminals is that the real threat of violence tends to make them go eslewhere. The criminal that avoided the house where the burglar was shot was stopped by violence. The real question is if we create a place or time where violence won't be offered will the criminals play along? It sucks but George Orwell had it right when he said, "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." So violence doesn't stop violence from continuing however the real threat of violence makes the cowardly criminal element look eslewhere.

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    arksysposted 11 years ago

    Temporarily yes... have armed security personnel in every school (depending on the size of the school) to minimize any current threat.
    
    meanwhile investigate the main source of the problem and see what is happening in schools and what provokes people to do this and make policies accordingly... once the policies are enforced - remove the guns.

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