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Do you believe the horrific school shootings are being used as an excuse for gun

  1. sholland10 profile image93
    sholland10posted 5 years ago

    Do you believe the horrific school shootings are being used as an excuse for gun control?

    Are there other factors that should be focused on to help prevent other tragedies?  Parenting? Discipline? Positive and negative reinforcement? Mental health care?  Is it the guns or the people that are the problem? Is it just because guns were available that caused this tragedy?

  2. LAURENS WRIGHT profile image51
    LAURENS WRIGHTposted 5 years ago

    I was involved in a school system for over 8 years in Missouri.  The teachers were perplexed in the amount of problems of crime and theft that the students were involved with.  The teachers came to the conclusion that these students were not being trained about what is right and wrong.  In the past, Religion had played a part of bringing up citizens to do what is right and correct in society.  The training is not there now. 

    The children, NOW, are being raised to disrespect the elders, life and their own bodies.  Without Religion, what is right and wrong?  Is there right or wrong ?  What is the difference of murder of drunk driver behind a wheel, an abortionist that sucks the brains out of a child or one that stabs people over 75 times each?  The mentality has been sidetracked in these attacks on the children in  schools to point to guns as the perpetrator. 

    LET US FACE THE FACT THAT SOMETHING IS WRONG AND EVIL WITH ANYONE WHO KILLS INNOCENT CHILDREN.  The Bible protrays that the evil ones take the lives of babies and children over and over.  If guns were the problem, there would be mass killings every day.... yes, every day, but there are not.  The fact is, guns protect the innocent and give power to the weak.

    So what happened?   Why do the killers choose children?  Why do the killers choose schools?  Why  is the METHOD OF OPERATION (MO) about the same for the killers?  Where are they aquiring this MO? 

    It does seem that the guns are not the problem, but the focus are being put on guns.  It might be that guns might be the solution.  In Montana, most of the people are armed and the police reports show the difference in the crimes.  Why would someone rob or threaten someone when they know the person is carrying a gun?

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Children were chosen because that is the quickest way for the government to get people to buckle on this whole gun issue. I would not be surprised at all, if this "madman" wasn't brainwashed by the Department of Defense...just for this very purpose.

    2. Kasman profile image84
      Kasmanposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Possibly.  Brainwashing isn't a conspiracy theory by any means.  It's been used by many governments over the years to accomplish many political purposes. If you have public support, you can change people's freedoms.http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/glob

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      Blooprintsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Ridiculous comment!  The Dept of Defense would do no such thing. The madman is an evil monster that knew it would be easier to prey upon children and that the media would make sure the world never forgot his name.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Wrong, my friend. The Joint Chiefs of Staff proposed a plan in 1962 to bomb some of their own navy vessels, plant false debris feilds, kill innocent Americans and hijack American jumbo jets, just to frame Castro and create a pretext for war with Cuba

  3. Kasman profile image84
    Kasmanposted 5 years ago

    Yes, in a time when our nation should be giving help and mourning almost exclusively......this is not a time for politically biased maneuvers. I believe they were waiting on something like this to happen so that they could push something like this through.  Before this happened, president Obama rushed to the U.N. the day of his re-election and was all too happy to start working on a deal of gun regulations worldwide. 

    Bad people will always do bad things no matter the instrument.  Funny thing is, no one is reporting on the fact that in China this past week, someone stabbed 22 people with a knife at a school.  It's not about the instrument, it's the heart.  When the heart isn't right, anyone has the capacity to do evil things even if they don't have a gun to do it with.  You don't see anyone reporting on the 2010 machete attacks in Nigeria when over 500 Christians in a village are slaughtered......just with machetes.  They obviously didn't need guns to get the job done. 

    In Harrold, TX.....they passed a measure that allows for teachers to carry concealed handguns because they believe that if you make a school a gun free zone, that just attracts the people that want to kill people and aren't going to meet a threat.  They haven't had a single incident since 2007 when the law was enacted.  You probably won't hear about the fact that several states, including Connecticut, are now calling the superintendent of this school named Mr. Thweatt and asking how to implement the law in their own schools.  We trust the teachers with our children's educational lives but what about their physical lives?  These teachers are trained well and go through psych med boards to make sure they aren't a mental threat.  It's a well known fact to those who educate themselves that almost every school shooting happens in a gun free zone.  Period. 
    Also, we need to get back to the founding fathers reasons for the 2nd amendment to begin with.  It wasn't about keeping ourselves safe from government exclusively.  No, their own documentation, their speeches, own personal writings verify that it was from a biblical belief of self defense.  That God has given us the right to defend ourselves from enemies that would include a corrupt government, your neighbor who goes nuts and tries to kill you, etc.  they wouldn't be having the conversation about restricting guns, they would have been talking about the heart. What's wrong with the hearts of people.  That's where the problem is, not guns.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Right you are, Kasman. You bring up many valid points and have demonstrated that you have a solid grasp on this subject. The truth is the gun laws that are already on the books are not enforced because the real plan is to eradicate gun ownership.

  4. Gary Holdaway profile image83
    Gary Holdawayposted 5 years ago

    They are also trying to blame the movie "We need to talk about Kevin."

    This is a really terrible occurrence and my heart bleeds for those parents and the children themselves. I think the very same parents that are saying they feel nervous about sending their kids to school are the same parents that will oppose metal detectors and scanners on the way into school.

    That's what is needed, better school security. You'll never stop guns in any country, criminals are criminals because they break the law, banning weapons will not stop law breakers finding a way.

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      AntonOfTheNorthposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      There will always be death, therefore lets turn our places of education into fortresses?

      Really, is this the best we can do?  If so, there is no long term future for the race.  We won't be happy until everyone is dead.


  5. lburmaster profile image83
    lburmasterposted 5 years ago

    I believe it is entirely possible and that a lot of people are moving to change the gun laws. From my perspective, the blame remains on the shoulders of the shooter. Guns are like knives. Anyone can use them on a daily basis for enjoyment, such as cooking or target shooting, but it takes one person to make the tool a danger to others.

    1. duffsmom profile image61
      duffsmomposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Agreed.  Like your new picture by the way.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Leah is a doll, through and through, but I miss seeing her smile.

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      AntonOfTheNorthposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Guns are not at all like knives.  Imagine how different the outcome would be here if all the perpetrator had was knives.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      If you disarm the public, the only ones with firearms will be your military, gangs, criminals, and local police...none of whom I trust. So, instead of a lone gunman storming into a school, you will have government storm-troopers kicking in your door.

    5. lburmaster profile image83
      lburmasterposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Imagine how difficult it will be finding who killed who. I don't think there is a police officer alive who can say "this knife wound matches this knife". With guns it's a lot easier to catch the criminal. Thank you, CJ.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      The bottom line is America is breeding morons and raising monsters. The problem is the belief system of our people...not guns themselves. Our youth watch all the violent movies and play the violent video games, then watches Uncle Sam storm into Iraq.

    7. lburmaster profile image83
      lburmasterposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with your second line, CJ. But try reading about Kennesaw, Georgia. http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41196/ Their law is that everyone has a gun in the house. Their crime rate dropped 80% and stayed that way for over ten years. I love it!

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I heard about this place, Leah. My question to you is "What is it about law abiding citiizens possessing guns, that is so worrisome to the criminal element?" This whole debate just boggles my mind. How can anyone think disarming America is the answer

    9. lburmaster profile image83
      lburmasterposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I agree. By disarming ourselves, we make ourselves defenseless and more likely to be harmed. I just think they are too afraid of guns and things they have little knowledge of.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Leah: Did I understand correctly...that you are soon to become a mother? How exciting!!!  :0)

    11. lburmaster profile image83
      lburmasterposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Three months along. Thanks, CJ!

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Congratulations, Leah, and may God be with you and your baby!!! :0)

  6. Greg Sereda profile image77
    Greg Seredaposted 5 years ago

    I think that the problem is obviously with the people. If we didn't have lunatics running around, there wouldn't be shooting. However, guns are a factor, too. I currently live in Poland, Europe, where it is very difficult to own or buy a gun; and there are relatively few gun crimes.

    As a matter of fact, in the two years I have lived in Poland, I have not heard of one person being killed by a gun. I used to live in California. I lived there for most of my life. People shot and killed each other there all of the time.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      The problem with America is the people it produces. Not all Americans are bad, but just enough to bring things to a halt. Homicidal maniacs aren't born - they're made. The schools teach kids they're animals and then they grow up acting like predators

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      Blooprintsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      The problem is definitely with the people. Not too long ago every boy learned to hunt and many country boys kept guns in their trucks all the time. Now there is no discipline and no respect for anything including life.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Agreed. 40 years of abortion, U.S. government invading everybody and everything, rampant pornography, gangsta rap, divorce, latch-key kids, broken homes, evolutionary world-view, rise of secularism and humanism, etc. Our society is in rapid decline.

  7. Paul Kuehn profile image95
    Paul Kuehnposted 5 years ago

    Yes, the recent horrific school shootings are most certainly being used as an excuse for gun control.  The problem, however, is that people kill and guns don't.  If we took guns away from all law-abiding citizens, I'm quite certain the criminals would still be able to get them and use them.  What needs to be done is making it more difficult to buy and own a gun.  When purchasing a gun, people should have valid evidence that they are not "crazy" or mentally retarded.  A person's motive for owning a gun must also be seriously examined.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Won't work. You see, the criminal element won't go through the proper channels - they'll just buy their weaponry on the black market or from the U.S. Army.

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      AntonOfTheNorthposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      there's complacency talking.  All it takes to keep guns out of the hands of criminals is to stop making them.  Simple really.  Radical yes, difficult yes.
      Or we could just arm the teachers too.  That'll solve all of it, won't it?


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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      It would be suicide to cease making guns. Arming good people is a better answer.

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    CJ Sledgehammerposted 5 years ago

    Of course they will use this tragedy as a pretext for disarming Americans. This could not have turned out any better for "Uncle Sam", than if he had planned this tragic event himself.

    Believe me, the U.S. government will not allow this opportunity to go to waste. The ruling elite will ride this tragic wave until every last gun is confiscated.

    Ever since the French Revolution, the ruling elite around the world have worried about the peasants who serve them. A disarmed populace is not one that needs to be feared.

    Trust me, if our government cared about our health and safety, why have they left our borders and ports unprotected? It's all a sham.

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    AntonOfTheNorthposted 5 years ago

    Gun control is not an evil thing.

    We control who can drive,  who can sell or use life saving medications, who can make or distribute nuclear reactors.  We regulate archaic weapons. (knives and swords.) We do this because we understand that if these are not restricted, lives are at risk.

    The perpretrator of this crime and those like it was successful because of the nature of the weapon.  If he had come into the school with knives, we would almost certainly talking about the heroism of the teachers who succeeded in stopping the assault.  Almost certainly there would still have been fatalities, but the heroic teachers that charged a boy armed with guns would almost certainly have been successful against a knife wielder.

    Guns are lethal with zero training.  You need skills with a knife.  You need to know a bit of anatomy, you need wrist strength and dexterity. You need to have practiced.  And you need to be willing to walk up to someone and have them die on your hands.  That is a whole different mentality than a gun, which kills from a distance and which requires no training before you are dangerous.

    How long does this have to happen before the rights of a child not to get shot while going to school become more important than the rights of a hobbyist to have automatic and assault weapons at their disposal because of a bad interpretation of a clause in the American constitution?  Are we really saying that it is worth the lives of our children to preserve the rights of those who wish to own weapons in case the government turns on us?  Or so we can boast about a collection?  Or go target shooting? Or play at being a soldier while real soldiers and law enforcement are dying?

    Truly we are doing far more damage to our society with the weapons we hold in case we need them than could be caused by not having them.

    Guns DO kill people.

    Almost every day in America it seems.


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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      This young man was just doing what he was taught. He had been taught from a young age that there is no God or eternal implications for one's deeds. He was taught that his life was just a random act of chance and that he and the other kids are animals

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      Justsilvieposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      There are no hard facts to back up to your claim. No one knows the why's it is all speculation, we do know he had access to guns and he used them. making up a history to go with it is wrong and helps no one.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      It's not hard to connect the dots. He was an American: a godless, selfish, arrogant, cold-blooded killer, with no respect for other people...just like the government who helped create him.

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      Izzzyposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Anton:  How does an inanimate object kill someone?   Guns are inanimate until someone decides to use them.   The people who are doing the majority of shootings are criminals, not responsible gun owners.   An unarmed citizenry is vulnerable.

  10. Angela Kane profile image78
    Angela Kaneposted 5 years ago

    Yes I do like all the other mass shootings. I think parenting and mental health are also huge factors that need to be corrected as well as gun control. There is no reason a person under 20 should own a gun unless they are in law enforcement or in the military.

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    Blooprintsposted 5 years ago

    I do believe the school shootings are being used as an excuse for gun control. The sad thing is the government is already wasting trillions of our dollars and this is another excuse for them to completely waste a lot more. Instead of spending a little money to put armed guards and tighter security in public schools they would rather spend billions fighting very strong supporters of gun rights.

    When you try to go against one of our countries fundamental rights like the 2nd you are doing nothing but wasting your time and causing our government to waste a lot of money. It doesn't matter if you are the president of the USA or just a simple blogger.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      The morons running the U.S. government do not enforce the 2,000 gun laws already on the books. They deliberately tempt fate, because they won't need gun laws when there are no more guns. They have been hoping and praying that this event would occur.

  12. cer1056 profile image41
    cer1056posted 5 years ago

    All of the major horrific events in the last so many years have been False Flag Operations for the purpose of taking away our rights and abilities to defend ourselves.

    The right to bare arms was put in the Constitution for the Purpose of defending the citizenry from the tyranny of a rogue government - out of control.

    These types of events have been taking place all over the world.

    The United States is the Last Free Country in the world to have Guns, for self defence!

    In the United States alone these events include:
    1.    9/11 and the Pentagon Attacks
    2.    The Oklahoma City Bombing
    3.    Columbine
    4.    The Aurora Colorado Movie Theater Killings
    5.     The Arizona Train derailment
    6.    The killing of these young children

    Obama said, in a recent Gun Magazine Interview, that he wanted Gun Control in place before the end of 2012!

    These Evil People who run the New World Order will do anything to get what they want, including murder small children.

    If they can’t get Gun Control any other way they will find an excuse to declare Martial Law and use UN troops, going door to door, to disarm the American People - this is already planned as a last resort.

    We are on the verge of one of the Greatest moves in History, moving towards Dictatorship, and most people are still asleep.  God help us - because you won’t be able to defend yourselves.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I applaud you.  It would not have taken much for the CIA to brainwash this young man into committing this heinous crime. According to Congress, the CIA is responsible for a minimum of 100,000 SERIOUS human rights violations world-wide - every year!

    2. Kasman profile image84
      Kasmanposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Read Hitler's Professors.  Details of how Socialists infected Germany's schools with socialism.  Look at our schools.  There are reports of kids coming home telling parents that socialism is good because they're learning it in some schools.  Wake up.

  13. tamarawilhite profile image91
    tamarawilhiteposted 5 years ago

    We need to re-open the 150,000 psychiatric beds we had in the 1950s, despite having a fraction of our current population. Then institutionalize many who are currently under-served when left in the care of overwhelmed family or left wandering the streets.

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I think we should institutionalize almost every employee of the CIA and FBI, not to mention almost the entire Pentagon and most of the White House Staff. Congress admitted that the CIA commits over 100,000 serious human rights violations each year.

  14. Tusitala Tom profile image62
    Tusitala Tomposted 5 years ago

    As long as people identify with their emotions and thoughts and, believe that these are what they are, we will be subject to the results of such false identification.   No one has ever told us that we are not these.   Most people in the world have yet to become aware of it.  And certainly it isn't taught anywhere in school or university to my knowledge.   Even a lot of trained psycholgists and the like have never truly got the message.

    Our thoughts, and our reacitons to them,  have built up in our minds a false belief, a sophisticated conglommeration of thought-forms which are often termed the ego or the self-image.   This ego lives in fear that it will be found out to be what it is, "a house built upon sand," is one observation.   The ego seems very real to us and has a tremendous influence on most of us.   If you doubt this, just try this simple little experiment:

    Observe a spot on the wall.  Keep that in your mind and let nothing else arise in it for a full minute     No, nothing else at all.    Time it with a stop-watch.

    Just one minute and your mind defeated you, eh?   Well, you are the decider with the Will.   You are a 'centre of consciousness with a will' - a soul.   When we can control our minds and their attendent emotions there won't be any mass slayings by people who cannot control their actions and who let their ego selves run amok.

    It's gonna be a big, big job...

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      CJ Sledgehammerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      So, do you really think there will come a day when people can control their minds, their emotions, and their actions?

    2. cer1056 profile image41
      cer1056posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Yes CJ - there will come a Time where we Some Will Become Masters of Consciousness!

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    oliver12posted 5 years ago

    Yes I believe most of these shootings are done in order to get more gun control laws passed. The reasoning is. People are going to die from guns anyway. So why not take advantage of these tragedies to outlaw guns.

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    Thoushallnotkillposted 4 years ago

    Yes, and appropriately so!  How we love our guns!  Even at the expense of others!  Too many mentally ill people have guns, too many young people have guns, Why do we love our guns  and place such little value on living people?.  If someone is stock piling up on guns, too my mind, that's a   very paranoid soul who is waiting for  his private war to happen. A time bomb ticking!  Maybe a cross word between neighbors, maybe a motor vehicle altercation, maybe his politics are self-consuming his life.  Whatever sets him off!  I would not be happy with my neighbors if I knew that he's got an arsenal in his  house! Yes, guns may give an  Euphoria of protection!  But it can also make your neighbor's uneasy and questioning your sanity!!!!  There is a very fine line between sanity and insane.  Maybe today your in a bad mood and brandishing some aggression towards someone who doesn't deserve it.  It only takes one moment, an irrational decision and its all over.  For you , for them, for everybody!  Self control just flew out the window!